JoeWeber 2,299 #1651 November 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: There is a reason there isn't a single libertarian government. Starting with the problem of there being no actual Libertarians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1652 November 10, 2021 3 hours ago, SkyDekker said: There is a reason there isn't a single libertarian government. Why would libertarians want to be a part of an institution they want to reduce? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #1653 November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: Why would libertarians want to be a part of an institution they want to reduce? Oh, so libertarians are just people who complain but don't actually want to do anything. You might be on to something there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #1654 November 10, 2021 3 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Starting with the problem of there being no actual Libertarians. Libertarianism is a great philosophy to think about. Everyone should read Ayn Rand in college sometime (or right after high school in any case) and get into arguments with their friends about it. But like very other -ism it is toxic when applied exclusively. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #1655 November 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, billvon said: Libertarianism is a great philosophy to think about. Everyone should read Ayn Rand in college sometime (or right after high school in any case) and get into arguments with their friends about it. But like very other -ism it is toxic when applied exclusively. Don’t overthink it. I think Woke if FUBAR and you claim anything I say is wrong by default. As usuals, I’m underwhelmed. BSBD, Winsor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #1656 November 10, 2021 4 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Starting with the problem of there being no actual Libertarians. Figure 'Librarian' with autocorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #1657 November 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, winsor said: Figure 'Librarian' with autocorrect. Well, I'll be dipped in doo-doo and rolled in crumbles, you do have a sense of humor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #1658 November 10, 2021 12 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Well, I'll be dipped in doo-doo and rolled in crumbles, you do have a sense of humor. You'll note that the original point is that Woke is largely comprised of humorless assholes. youtube.com/watch?v=3Ip1irYWXck 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1659 November 10, 2021 Inflation hits a thirty year high https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-inflation-consumer-price-index-october-2021-11636491959 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1660 November 10, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 3:45 PM, SkyDekker said: There is a reason there isn't a single libertarian government. Our country at is founding could be considered libertarian. “That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves." TJ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #1661 November 10, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Our country at is founding could be considered libertarian. “That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves." TJ Right, liberatians don't want to participate in a government, but founding one could be considered libertarian...... Edited November 10, 2021 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1662 November 10, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Right, liberatians don't want to participate in a government, but founding one could be considered libertarian...... I said “our country, at its founding COULD be considered libertarian.” I supported that notion with a quote from one of our founding fathers advocating for a light hand from government and personal responsibility. That sounds libertarian to me. Edited November 10, 2021 by brenthutch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #1663 November 11, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, winsor said: You'll note that the original point is that Woke is largely comprised of humorless assholes. youtube.com/watch?v=3Ip1irYWXck Thanks,one for the playlist! good vibes a rarity here so I'll click.. again. rock'n beat. I'd like to add : Rich,highly educated and intelligent, arrogant, fearful and in our marxist world, white. In order to regain a sense of reality in totalitarian systems, individuals and communities remove themselves from the mass psychosis.They simply Live outside the totalitarian system.They create parallel structures within their communities,churches,clubs. Hello, Rumble and Parlor. Brents Question, "Have We gone Left?" LOL Thanks Brent, complete sarcasm. American political prisoners...I'd put lol, but it ain't funny.A State that calls political dissidents insurrectionist and the ACLU is absent and silent, like their Heiress. Would you have ever imagined ..fences and troops stationed in the Capitol.A theater set preserved for their perceived high wire act, saving us from ourselves.Send in the Clowns,the usual suspects. Kyle's Rittenhouse Trial a prime example, anyone with eyes saw the video,knows he had a Glock pointed at the back of his head. The Orwellian, sick and twisted perversion of Law and fact by the media and the States great power of ineptitude, never ceases to amaze.Research the "Victims" golden character and roll during the day leading up to insident.In one case,it's reason I could care less for life lost. hint; the perversions are ubiquitous. nobody seems to give a shit I don't take you for a Country fan, so for those who are. On point, This Biden Democratic Democracy sucks. Loyalty is conditional. I'll throw in the lyrics. Loyalty is conditional. You're misinformed. So they tug at your heartstrings to mask what's underneath. Emotions are running high. So it's like nobody notice a lie. Using false security as a bribe. But have you ever thought about as to why these people will go around hoping that you frown at the idea like the sky's falling down. Wow. They use it to control you. Like they package up and own you. Tap your fears and act like this, but ask yourself: is this really a path you feel? Selling your soul cheaper than a happy meal. It's sad to hear when you cling to a bad idea. Speak in lies. Deny and imply that we could not get by without you. Rule through fear. It's clear that you're here to lead the sheep to shear their lives away. Entrust our faith to those who bend the knee to the underlying hate that you helped create. So step back, the picture is bigger than you think. How can you open your eyes when you're blinded by a catch phrase? Worth the time, or worth the fine? I work to find solutions, but it hurts when my family falls for the okie doke. Kind of like Obama, we saw and we know he choked. Know what she wrote, bro. Said he was gonna bring the troops home, got in and started singing a new song. But he's cool so they thinking he can't do wrong. Bomb more countries than Bush, but I got a new phone. We know what it is giving you the biz. I'm saying you ain't gotta lie to me. We know you got it wrong but you're not alone, I'm not asking for apologies. I'd much rather you in a battle mood, waking up smelling the coffee. I'm just stressing to spread the message before they turn around and just off me. Sorry so long The upshot; In times of feckless Leadership,we can look to the past for inspiration. "You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between left or right. Well, I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There’s only an up or down. "Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." Sound Libertarian to me. Edited November 11, 2021 by richravizza Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #1664 November 11, 2021 (edited) On 10/27/2021 at 8:50 AM, billvon said: Gotta love republicans. Remember back in 2008 when they were explaining to the stupid liberals that the president doesn't control gas prices? Bill did you just do a Biden time warp of The Great Forgetting. The price here now is the same as the 2008 photo,so while your making changes why don't you change the first date to anything 2009-2017.Disregard any prices during your travels back to the future. Edited November 11, 2021 by richravizza was is will be Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #1665 November 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, richravizza said: Bill did you just do a Biden time warp of The Great Forgetting. The price here,now as the same as the 2008 photo I am sure it is. There's a station here that's consistently about $1.50 per gallon higher than everywhere else because it's next to an office complex. I heard someone found a tiny town where gas was $7.39 a gallon (only pump in town.) But the AVERAGE price that Americans are paying for gas in October was $3.38 a gallon, which is a big rise from May 2020 when it got under $2 a gallon. (This, of course, was due to the shutdown; lower demand and same supply.) This matches the AAA's estimate of $3.41 average per gallon countrywide as of today. Back under GWB, in June of 2008, it was $4.10 a gallon. (That's $5.27 in today's dollars.) And it remained considerably higher than today's prices for several months. So in real money, gas prices today are $1.86 cheaper. GO BRANDON! Get prices down from those GWB peaks! Now, you might say "but he didn't do anything to keep it lower than GWB! And that absurdly high price wasn't GWB's fault!" And if you said that, I would reply - now you're getting it. Further, if you said "it's not fair to pick just a few months under one president and compare the prices for just that period of time!" again I would say - right again. Data if you are interested: https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/ https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #1666 November 11, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 12:00 PM, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Winsor, Re: I'm a fiscal conservative (nice idea - who's going to pay for it?) and social liberal (I don't care what adults do voluntarily behind closed doors, for example) I am this also. Re: basically a Libertarian Over the years, what I have read about the Libertarian mantra, most I do not agree with. To each his own, Jerry Baumchen Hi Jerry I think your quote "To each his own" from Macbeth?, has been adopted as a libertarian phrase.How wonderful and I agree. I find it bewildering coming from you though.That isn't what your party stands for anymore."To each his own" is all about choice. In our recent conversation about public schooling, without quoting you directly, you express your satisfaction as it pertains to you and your children's public education.If you recall I replied, "I was happy for you and yours." I was hoping you'd read into that comment. What if you were not satisfied with your education,and your child's poor schooling outcome is obvious? School choice is a Libertarian and Right alliance Issue.School choice is not in alignment with the Democratic Party.Considering the utter failure Public schooling is for most LA kids,I am hopeful, you'll reconsider your stance. Do you still think Biden and a second term in the realm of possibility? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #1667 November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, billvon said: I am sure it is. There's a station here that's consistently about $1.50 per gallon higher than everywhere else because it's next to an office complex. I heard someone found a tiny town where gas was $7.39 a gallon (only pump in town.) .But the AVERAGE price that Americans are paying for gas in October was $3.38 a gallon, which is a big rise from May 2020 when it got under $2 a gallon (This, of course, was due to the shutdown; lower demand and same supply.) This matches the AAA's estimate of $3.41 average per gallon countrywide as of today. Back under GWB, in June of 2008, it was $4.10 a gallon. (That's $5.27 in today's dollars.) And it remained considerably higher than today's prices for several months. So in real money, gas prices today are $1.86 cheaper. GO BRANDON! Get prices down from those GWB peaks! Now, you might say "but he didn't do anything to keep it lower than GWB! And that absurdly high price wasn't GWB's fault!" And if you said that, I would reply - now you're getting it. Further, if you said "it's not fair to pick just a few months under one president and compare the prices for just that period of time!" again I would say - right again. Data if you are interested: https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/ https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m It's always GWB fault,so We Agree. Your point is made. "So in real money, gas prices today are $1.86 cheaper", now that's optimism...I like that. I'll have to repeat it to myself the next time I fill. I usually tell myself, I'm getting half their profit back as a dividend,but I like your idea better. Unfortunately, I don't think the average Joe will see it our way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1668 November 11, 2021 7 hours ago, richravizza said: Bill did you just do a Biden time warp of The Great Forgetting. The price here now is the same as the 2008 photo,so while your making changes why don't you change the first date to anything 2009-2017.Disregard any prices during your travels back to the future. Nice meme but…… ”The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #1669 November 11, 2021 14 hours ago, brenthutch said: Our country at is founding could be considered libertarian. Not by Libertarians. “That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves." A statement made without evidence can be discarded without evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1670 November 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, jakee said: Not by some Libertarians. FIFY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #1671 November 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, brenthutch said: FIFY Ok, it can be considered that way by people who call themselves libertarians but really aren’t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #1672 November 11, 2021 10 hours ago, richravizza said: "So in real money, gas prices today are $1.86 cheaper", now that's optimism...I like that. I'll have to repeat it to myself the next time I fill. Fortunately, I don't have to fill, so I won't have to worry about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #1673 November 11, 2021 11 hours ago, richravizza said: Hi Jerry I think your quote "To each his own" from Macbeth?, has been adopted as a libertarian phrase.How wonderful and I agree. I find it bewildering coming from you though.That isn't what your party stands for anymore."To each his own" is all about choice. In our recent conversation about public schooling, without quoting you directly, you express your satisfaction as it pertains to you and your children's public education.If you recall I replied, "I was happy for you and yours." I was hoping you'd read into that comment. What if you were not satisfied with your education,and your child's poor schooling outcome is obvious? School choice is a Libertarian and Right alliance Issue.School choice is not in alignment with the Democratic Party.Considering the utter failure Public schooling is for most LA kids,I am hopeful, you'll reconsider your stance. Do you still think Biden and a second term in the realm of possibility? Hi rich, Re: That isn't what your party stands for anymore. Since I am registered as an independent; what party would that be? Re: What if you were not satisfied with your education,and your child's poor schooling outcome is obvious? Why fix that which is not broken? You can go on with What if forever if you want; it really won't get you anywhere, though. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #1674 November 11, 2021 19 hours ago, brenthutch said: Our country at is founding could be considered libertarian. Libertarianism is often described as being the opposite of socialism, and libertarianism opposes solutions that promote general, rather than individual welfare. Preamble of the US Constitution: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare Article 1 section 8: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,914 #1675 November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, billvon said: Libertarianism is often described as being the opposite of socialism, and libertarianism opposes solutions that promote general, rather than individual welfare. Preamble of the US Constitution: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare Article 1 section 8: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States Your country at its founding was considered radically liberal. Conservatives wanted to stay loyal to the Crown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites