JoeWeber 2,299 #1 Posted October 18, 2019 HRC is out claiming that one of the current females running for President will be a Russian supported third party candidate in key states. Can she feel that bad about hosing Biden and the Nation last time around? Hmm.. as everyone knows, a socialist is simply a communist who denies being a Russian. I wonder who she's trying to submarine? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #2 October 18, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: HRC is out claiming that one of the current females running for President will be a Russian supported third party candidate in key states. Can she feel that bad about hosing Biden and the Nation last time around? Hmm.. as everyone knows, a socialist is simply a communist who denies being a Russian. I wonder who she's trying to submarine? She's referring to Tulsi Gabbard. It's been the subject of a lot of discussion for a while now. The theory (insofar as I understand it) is that Tulsi would be the weakest of the current Dem candidates in the general election against Trump, and therefore if she was the nominee, that would help Trump, since Trump is a Russian asset (and not as useful if he's out of office). Edited October 18, 2019 by Skwrl 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #3 October 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, Skwrl said: She's referring to Tulsi Gabbard. It's been the subject of a lot of discussion for a while now. The theory (insofar as I understand it) is that Tulsi would be the weakest of the current Dem candidates in the general election against Trump, and therefore if she was the nominee, that would help Trump, since Trump is a Russian asset (and not as useful if he's out of office). Yep, I read that, too. But with Clinton I always wonder what she's up to. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #4 October 18, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Skwrl said: Tulsi would be the weakest of the current Dem candidates Hi Skwrl, Other than Joe's post said: 'Russian supported third party candidate' Jerry Baumchen PS) And I would not put it past HRC to try for the nomination again. Edited October 18, 2019 by JerryBaumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #5 October 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Skwrl, Other than Joe's post said: 'Russian supported third party candidate' Jerry Baumchen PS) And I would not put it past HRC to try for the nomination again. Right. HRC's comment was [the Russians have] "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." (That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.) Gabbard isn't making any progress in her attempt to get the Democratic nomination, and the chatter is that she (Gabbard) would run as an Independent as a result. A quick Google came up with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yobnoc 142 #6 October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Skwrl said: Right. HRC's comment was [the Russians have] "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." (That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.) Gabbard isn't making any progress in her attempt to get the Democratic nomination, and the chatter is that she (Gabbard) would run as an Independent as a result. A quick Google came up with this. Could be Marianne, too. I'm not even being snarky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #7 October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, yobnoc said: Could be Marianne, too. I'm not even being snarky. That's an interesting point! I just looked and apparently she just announced that she won't run as an independent when (she said if, but it's when) she doesn't get the nomination. Not sure about the timing of the HRC statement vs. her statement though, so who knows.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #8 October 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Skwrl said: (That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.) My wife and Stein were colleagues as residents after medical school. Wife says Stein was nutty then, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #9 October 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Skwrl said: Right. HRC's comment was [the Russians have] "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." (That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.) Gabbard isn't making any progress in her attempt to get the Democratic nomination, and the chatter is that she (Gabbard) would run as an Independent as a result. A quick Google came up with this. Skwrl, I'm more inclined to believe you than me. That said, just because Trump couldn't flip a tiddlywink with a spatula doesn't mean Clinton can't play three dimensional chess. With her I always look for what she's really thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #10 October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeWeber said: Skwrl, I'm more inclined to believe you than me. That said, just because Trump couldn't flip a tiddlywink with a spatula doesn't mean Clinton can't play three dimensional chess. With her I always look for what she's really thinking. Gotcha. I'm not taking any position on whether HRC would run or not, although if you forced me to bet, I'd say not, for a variety of reasons. But that's just speculation. I was just commenting on who I thought HRC meant when she was referring to the "current Dem/future third party candidate backed by the Russians". I mean, it's pretty clear the "she" in the reference wasn't, for example, Warren. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #11 October 22, 2019 On 10/18/2019 at 3:15 PM, kallend said: My wife and Stein were colleagues as residents after medical school. Wife says Stein was nutty then, too. Birds of a feather...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #12 October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Birds of a feather...... Having never met John's wife, I can only assume (based on your perspective), she's a strong, intelligent woman. Good for the Professor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #13 October 22, 2019 On 10/18/2019 at 3:15 PM, kallend said: Wife says Stein was nutty then, too. So Stein became a Urologist? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #14 October 22, 2019 Hillary Clinton in a new interview appeared to float a conspiracy theory that the Russians are “grooming” Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard to be a third-party candidate in 2020, while claiming 2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein is "also" a Russian asset. Pretty serious accusation. "That’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she’s also a Russian asset." Seems like she is floating a conspiracy theory to further some political agenda. At least she didn't accuse her of operating a pedophile ring out of a pizzeria. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #15 October 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Rick said: Hillary Clinton in a new interview appeared to float a conspiracy theory that the Russians are “grooming” Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard to be a third-party candidate in 2020, while claiming 2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein is "also" a Russian asset. Pretty serious accusation. "That’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she’s also a Russian asset." Seems like she is floating a conspiracy theory to further some political agenda. At least she didn't accuse her of operating a pedophile ring out of a pizzeria. Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #16 October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Stumpy said: Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one. I guess just seems like a crazy accusation to make. Especially at people in her own political party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #17 October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Stumpy said: Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one. Trump's obsequiousness toward Putin is obvious, but the Trump administration is much tougher on Russia that the Obama administration https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,341 #18 October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Stumpy said: Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one. 3 hours ago, Rick said: I guess just seems like a crazy accusation to make. Especially at people in her own political party. How so? I can easily see the Russian propaganda machine getting behind a D as a 3rd party candidate. It would split the vote, as Perot did in 92 and as many felt Nader was doing in 00. This isn't accusing the candidate of actually working with the Russians. (you know, that 'collusion' thing). This is more the idea that the Russians will do what they can to screw us over. And 4 more years of Trump would certainly do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #19 October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: This isn't accusing the candidate of actually working with the Russians maybe I was reading more into it but when she says they are "grooming" a candidate I would think the candidate would have to be involved in the process?? "I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate," Clinton said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #20 October 22, 2019 the article above was from CNN in an NBC article she is quoted as saying " said she believes one candidate is "the favorite of the Russians." That seems like a more reasonable statement. I know there is proof that they tried to help Jill Stein in 2016. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #21 October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Trump's obsequiousness toward Putin is obvious, but the Trump administration is much tougher on Russia that the Obama administration Sure, like the way he gave up Syria to Putin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #22 October 22, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, kallend said: Sure, like the way he gave up Syria to Putin. I was wondering about that. Isn't Turkey a NATO ally? Not that this administration has really been shown to give a shit about NATO but don't we have some kind of obligation to Turkey?? edited to add: maybe I should be asking htis in a different thread?? Edited October 22, 2019 by Rick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #23 October 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, kallend said: Sure, like the way he gave up Syria to Putin. Uh, Syria had been a Soviet/Russian client state for more than half a century. Russia has had a naval base in Syria since 1971. So I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. Edited October 22, 2019 by brenthutch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #24 October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rick said: I was wondering about that. Isn't Turkey a NATO ally? Not that this administration has really been shown to give a shit about NATO but don't we have some kind of obligation to Turkey?? edited to add: maybe I should be asking htis in a different thread?? Which NATO obligation was the US afoul off prior to pulling out so fast the Russians have already taken over your bases in Syria? Don't think the NATO framework has wording around facilitating invasions and attempted ethnic cleansing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #25 October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: Which NATO obligation was the US afoul off prior to pulling out so fast the Russians have already taken over your bases in Syria? Don't think the NATO framework has wording around facilitating invasions and attempted ethnic cleansing. Or leaving them with 50 B61 nuclear bombs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites