A message one week before the election comment

[kallend 1,640]

rushmc

******Sorry Dems...no blue wave. I think the worst of it is we get to listen to Nancy again. Is that really who you want as your leader in the House?

Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, and Bill Nelson are still whining. We are praying actively for their losses.

not only are they whining, some of them are trying to steal an election with a lot of help!

Since you bring up whining:

"Matt Whitaker is a great guy. I mean, I know Matt Whitaker." D. Trump, 10/11/18

"I don't know Matt Whitaker, Matt Whitaker worked for Jeff Sessions. And he was always extremely highly thought of and he still is. But I didn't know Matt Whitaker."; D. Trump, whining on 11/9/18

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,421]

This is classic right wing morality:

Judge Glenn Devlin lost re-election to a democrat. So on his last days as a judge, he let every criminal who appeared before him go.

"Hey, you voters didn't choose me, so fuck you."

Let's hope we get the new judges in there quickly to replace this immoral judge.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/judge-loses-re-election-sets-defendants-free-long-promised-not-kill-anyone-223716167.html

[kallend 1,640]

Three quarters of Republicans in the House now represent congressional districts where the percentage of the population with college degrees is below the national average.

GOP - the party of the poorly educated voter.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 913]

kallend

Three quarters of Republicans in the House now represent congressional districts where the percentage of the population with college degrees is below the national average.

GOP - the party of the poorly educated voter.

I have oft repeated this as well. Democrats need to understand the motivations of republican voters better. Winning this election dosn't help that.

The day before the election a news crew was interviewing a elderly republican voter in a Florida nursing home. Questioned about why she voted for trump. She responded "because he will protect us from the caravan".

Ron, Marc, et al , illustrate in a valuable way the thinking and reasoning of trump supporters. The sooner they can be understood. The sooner the republican party can be rebuilt. The sooner the democrats can advance their agenda.

No offense to Marc and Ron intended.

[RonD1120 58]

Phil1111

*** Three quarters of Republicans in the House now represent congressional districts where the percentage of the population with college degrees is below the national average.

GOP - the party of the poorly educated voter.

I have oft repeated this as well. Democrats need to understand the motivations of republican voters better. Winning this election dosn't help that.

The day before the election a news crew was interviewing a elderly republican voter in a Florida nursing home. Questioned about why she voted for trump. She responded "because he will protect us from the caravan".

Ron, Marc, et al , illustrate in a valuable way the thinking and reasoning of trump supporters. The sooner they can be understood. The sooner the republican party can be rebuilt. The sooner the democrats can advance their agenda.

No offense to Marc and Ron intended.

Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,349]

RonD1120

Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

You forgot 'ignorance.'

It goes along with anger and fear to elevate people like Trump into power.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[normiss 622]

Most citizens don't have this anger and fear that you obsess over.
They also seem to understand actual core issues clearer.

[wolfriverjoe 1,349]

normiss

Most citizens don't have this anger and fear that you obsess over.
They also seem to understand actual core issues clearer.

Based on the results of last week and 2 years ago, I don't think the actual core issues are understood by as many people as you seem to think.

Based on comments on news articles, on here and a lot of shit on FB, ignorance based fear and anger, along with racism (both subtle and blatant) is driving a lot of people.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[gowlerk 1,921]

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Based on comments on news articles, on here and a lot of shit on FB, ignorance based fear and anger, along with racism (both subtle and blatant) is driving a lot of people.

I think you can both be right about this. And Ron as well. Many people do have at least a basic understanding of the core issues. But that does not mean that emotion is more important than reason in voting decisions. The biggest difference is just which emotions are most important to you. Fear and anger, or hope for change mixed with disgust at the leader.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Phil1111 913]

RonD1120

****** Three quarters of Republicans in the House now represent congressional districts where the percentage of the population with college degrees is below the national average.

GOP - the party of the poorly educated voter.

I have oft repeated this as well. Democrats need to understand the motivations of republican voters better. Winning this election dosn't help that.

The day before the election a news crew was interviewing a elderly republican voter in a Florida nursing home. Questioned about why she voted for trump. She responded "because he will protect us from the caravan".

Ron, Marc, et al , illustrate in a valuable way the thinking and reasoning of trump supporters. The sooner they can be understood. The sooner the republican party can be rebuilt. The sooner the democrats can advance their agenda.

No offense to Marc and Ron intended.

Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

I agree. But trump doesn't care. Republicans and democrats need to address immigration. Now in fact would be the best time. With the US at full employment.

The deterioration of wages since the last recession is a major driver of trump support. A national infrastructure plan would be the logical solution.

But the trump round of tax cuts will preclude agreement in congress over the next two years. Because tax increases are necessary in order to pay for a infrastructure plan. Otherwise inflation would skyrocket and so would the deficit.

[kallend 1,640]

Phil1111

********* Three quarters of Republicans in the House now represent congressional districts where the percentage of the population with college degrees is below the national average.

GOP - the party of the poorly educated voter.

I have oft repeated this as well. Democrats need to understand the motivations of republican voters better. Winning this election dosn't help that.

The day before the election a news crew was interviewing a elderly republican voter in a Florida nursing home. Questioned about why she voted for trump. She responded "because he will protect us from the caravan".

Ron, Marc, et al , illustrate in a valuable way the thinking and reasoning of trump supporters. The sooner they can be understood. The sooner the republican party can be rebuilt. The sooner the democrats can advance their agenda.

No offense to Marc and Ron intended.

Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

I agree. But trump doesn't care. Republicans and democrats need to address immigration. Now in fact would be the best time. With the US at full employment.

The deterioration of wages since the last recession is a major driver of trump support. A national infrastructure plan would be the logical solution.

But the trump round of tax cuts will preclude agreement in congress over the next two years. Because tax increases are necessary in order to pay for a infrastructure plan. Otherwise inflation would skyrocket and so would the deficit.

I don't think Trump has realized that the nation can't get out of debt the way his casinos did. And his core is too stupid to care.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 1,921]

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I don't think Trump has realized that the nation can't get out of debt the way his casinos did. And his core is too stupid to care.

Sure it can. Just let inflation run rampant like in the '70s. That how the Vietnam war debt was paid.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,257]

RonD1120

Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

Oh Ron. You're always so keen on saying that liberals behave like adolescents and then you come out with stuff like this.

The only people I know who can be forgiven for basing their decisions only on what they're angry about and afraid of are toddlers. And you know what, even then their parents try and teach them to be better

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wolfriverjoe 1,349]

jakee

***Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

Oh Ron. You're always so keen on saying that liberals behave like adolescents and then you come out with stuff like this.

The only people I know who can be forgiven for basing their decisions only on what they're angry about and afraid of are toddlers. And you know what, even then their parents try and teach them to be better

You didn't just go through the election cycle and all the campaign ads (television in particular).
The degree to which they played on people's anger and fear was disgusting.

The big ones were taxes (The Democrats will raise them) and health care (The Republicans will allow the insurance companies to deny care to people).

There was a pretty harsh fight for the US Senate seat here in Wisconsin. Most of the ads were based on anger and fear.

Truth, however, was not anywhere near as common.

It was kind of funny the distribution (by party) of truth vs lies.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,421]

>Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that
>they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

Very true. Liberals tend to make objective decisions, based on expected outcomes and risks. Right wingers tend to make emotional decisions, based on rumor, anger and fear.

You need look no further than Qanon for proof of this.

>No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

Yep. Right wingers don't care about how much their doctor knows until they get cancer. They don't care about balancing budgets until the country is bankrupt and defaulting. They don't care about climate change until their cities are the ones being lost. All that stuff is for ivory tower elitist eggheads - until it affects them.

[RonD1120 58]

billvon

>Progressive liberals advance very sound intellectual arguments. The problem is that
>they do not address the core issues, the anger, and fear of the voter.

Very true. Liberals tend to make objective decisions, based on expected outcomes and risks. Right wingers tend to make emotional decisions, based on rumor, anger and fear.

You need look no further than Qanon for proof of this.

>No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

Yep. Right wingers don't care about how much their doctor knows until they get cancer. They don't care about balancing budgets until the country is bankrupt and defaulting. They don't care about climate change until their cities are the ones being lost. All that stuff is for ivory tower elitist eggheads - until it affects them.

Cancer is the only one of the above that makes any sense or has had any effect on my life.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,349]

RonD1120

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>No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

Yep. Right wingers don't care about how much their doctor knows until they get cancer. They don't care about balancing budgets until the country is bankrupt and defaulting. They don't care about climate change until their cities are the ones being lost. All that stuff is for ivory tower elitist eggheads - until it affects them.

Cancer is the only one of the above that makes any sense or has had any effect on my life.

Thanks for proving his point.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,421]

>Cancer is the only one of the above that makes any sense or has had any effect on my life.

Sorry to hear that.

The other two will only have an effect on you once they come to pass. Still, it might be wise to consider how to solve them _before_ they are disasters.

As an example, a high school grad with a credit card can spend as much money as he or she wants by just charging things. The credit card bill doesn't come due until the end of the month - and most will let you roll over forever. You can ignore it for years.

Still, at some point, you'll have to pay. You can ignore all those ivory tower progressive liberals who say "you shouldn't spend so much if you can't afford to pay the bills" for a long time - but eventually objective reality will catch up to you. No matter how much you don't believe in it.

[ryoder 1,393]

Pro-Putin Republican Dana Rohrabacher loses House seat
https://www.axios.com/dana-rohrbacher-2018-midterm-elections-c9120af1-d8de-4efd-b581-3474617d360b.html

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[RonD1120 58]

The only thing we can do to balance the budget is to vote for responsible leadership. Liberal Democrats want to tax and conservative Republicans want to tighten the budget. In my lifetime we continue to tax and spend and the deficit continues to increase.

Obviously, that is a no-win situation.

Climate control, global warming or whatever is not in our control. It is, therefore, a fantasy problem. To create tax funding to solve it is a power-grabbing waste of time, energy and money.

God created a homeostatic world. He will change it and correct it in His time. That is Biblical prophecy and I rely on that.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 913]

RonD1120

The only thing we can do to balance the budget is to vote for responsible leadership. Liberal Democrats want to tax and conservative Republicans want to tighten the budget. In my lifetime we continue to tax and spend and the deficit continues to increase. ...

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Continuous education and a curious mind is necessary to ascertain what is true. What are the facts.

GOP Presidents Have Been the Worst Contributors to the Federal Debt
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/gop-presidents-have-been-the-worst-contributors-to-the-federal-debt/264193/

The Republican Party Is A Deficit Fraud
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2017/10/08/the-gop-is-a-deficit-fraud/#5d82e933263d

U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
http://goliards.us/adelphi/deficits/index.html
This is interesting because it also shows how republican tax cuts to the top marginal rats relate to net deficits. Important to note that debt is indexed to inflation.

[jakee 1,257]

RonD1120

The only thing we can do to balance the budget is to vote for responsible leadership. Liberal Democrats want to tax and conservative Republicans want to tighten the budget. In my lifetime we continue to tax and spend and the deficit continues to increase.

Trump isn't a conservative Republican and has shown no inclination to reduce spending. On the contrary, he wants to increase spending.

So why do you support him?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 1,921]

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God created a homeostatic world. He will change it and correct it in His time. That is Biblical prophecy and I rely on that.

The homeostasis of Earth will indeed be maintained. However, we may not enjoy the conditions required to maintain that balance. While you are in "heaven with the father" my people will be here paying the price of your negligence. I'm not ready to accept that Ron.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,421]

> Liberal Democrats want to tax and conservative Republicans want to tighten the budget.

"Conservative Republicans" are spending more ($200 billion more) and bringing in less. That is the opposite of tightening the budget - and that's why we have a trillion dollar deficit. Historically, deficits go down under Democratic presidents and go up under Republican presidents, because Republicans tend to be fiscally irresponsible.

No one likes to be taxed. But if you spend like there's no tomorrow and decrease taxes, you are no better than the high school grad who racks up hundreds of thousands in credit card debt, then are shocked when the bills come due. Irresponsible teens can just declare bankruptcy; countries cannot.

>Climate control, global warming or whatever is not in our control.

Warming it with our emissions is.

>God created a homeostatic world. He will change it and correct it in His time.

Perhaps. But the solution could be to render humanity extinct (or impotent) so they can no longer alter the climate. Your children and grandchildren may resent you for driving towards that solution.

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billvon

> Liberal Democrats want to tax and conservative Republicans want to tighten the budget.

"Conservative Republicans" are spending more ($200 billion more) and bringing in less. That is the opposite of tightening the budget - and that's why we have a trillion dollar deficit.

Ron, I'm curious to hear your response to this because I agree with you - we SHOULD be spending less, but these numbers aren't made up. Our deficit has increased rapidly under this Republican government.
Maybe you need to stop with the labels - 'liberals tax and spend' etc and actually LOOK at what's happening.

Given that this government has taken action directly in opposition to your stated preferred position of tightening the budget would you criticize their fiscal policies? Can you actually bring yourself to say that they're doing a poor job of managing it?