Russia swayed US election

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

Elisha

If so, then how can we know the current situation isn't similar? Especially since no evidence or reasoning is provided in these "The Russians did it!" responses.

Just like with past times being wrong, I very well think it's possible that this situation could be similar.

Among other things, this makes sense.

Putin clearly favors Trump. As well he should, seeing as the ties between Trump and Russia are pretty clear (and disturbing). They've been documented, yet ignored.
Trump's policy statements clearly favor Russia as well (ignoring NATO commitments among other things).

Kinda funny how all the releases were detrimental to Clinton.
I'd have a lot less problem with the "airing of dirty laundry" if it wasn't so obviously one-sided.

OTOH, there were a lot of questions about the invasion of Iraq, the ties to AQ, the WMDs, all that.
Those questions were either ignored or attacked (and the questioners themselves subject to some pretty nasty retaliation).

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[DanG 1]

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?.. personally and privately taking millions of $$ off foreign entities to have immediate access to the state department?

Tough question to answer, since that didn't happen. Look people, a strawman argument in SC! No way!

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

Sorry. It is bs....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 3]

rushmc

Sorry. It is bs....

You're ignoring facts again. Sorry. There was a Congressional investigation and a bi-partisan report on it. It's in the public record.

I'm sorry if you don't feel that's enough, but just like the current topic, at this point I can't imagine anything we could show you which you would accept.

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[billvon 2,400]

>Sorry Bill

Sorry Rush. That was a month ago. Since then the NSA, CIA and FBI have been working to investigate this. They now agree that Russia hacked US servers in a attempt to influence the US election, and that they were working to get Trump elected. Once again: "This was a conscious effort by a nation-state [Russia] to attempt to achieve a specific effect. This was not something that was done casually. This was not something that was done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily.”

You said before:

>I would strongly lean toward believing the NSA at this point

Is that still the case? Or are they now "BS" because they have come to a conclusion that conflicts with your partisan views?

[Royreader8812 0]

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Nevertheless, Representative Devin Nunes, the California Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee and is a member of President-elect Trump's transition team as well as the Gang of Eight, has called for a briefing for his entire committee on the CIA assessment.

"The committee is vigorously looking into reports of cyber-attacks during the election campaign, and in particular we want to clarify press reports that the CIA has a new assessment that it has not shared with us," Nunes said.Representative Ron Johnson, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said his panel also has asked for a briefing but the CIA refused.

"It is disappointing that the CIA would provide information on this issue to the Washington Post and NBC but will not provide information to elected members of Congress," Johnson said in a statement on Friday.

Three U.S. government sources, who all asked for anonymity to discuss classified information, told Reuters that while the full congressional committees have not been briefed, the congressional leadership has, which is the standard procedure for briefing Congress on sensitive intelligence.

The sources said that Nunes was personally briefed on the CIA finding. A congressional official denied Nunes was briefed, however.

I would venture to guess that this will be gone from the media come January 20th. But it will not be gone from this forum.

If you want to test the validity of the intelligence community, just take what is happening in Syria, or more specifically Aleppo.

On one hand you have John Kerry and all those around and below him saying there is a blood bath going on, and in reality there are independent journalists walking down the said streets that are eerily silent and meanwhile thousands of militants that have surrendered (our proxy boys) are being humanely bussed off to another region by the Syrian and Russian governments.

I will refrain from commenting further on this subject because it is clear that the 'fake news' is the corporate media and they are reporting from illegitimate statements from government officials.

If it is maintainEd that Russia hacked the election after January 20th. Then I might take it seriously.

But I assume you lot will say, "but of course when Trump is president they will deny it", but that in itself would render the current stance just as bullshit, because it is essentially admitting the intelligence community puts the protection of the current regime ahead of integrity.

[jakee 1,255]

Royreader8812

Please tell us what you youself, think about Hillary knowing in advance the debate questions and personally and privately taking millions of $$ off foreign entities to have immediate access to the state department?

What is it that makes you youself (sic) think that Hilary took millions of $$ from foreign entities for access to the state department?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

muff528

That's the point of their (the Lefties) whole argument! .....She would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling Rooskies! (not that I'm buying into any of that nonsense.)

So, we have:

Did the Russians hack the DNC emails? (Official Russiandom or just some free-lance hackers who happen to live in Russia) Or was it, as claimed by Assange, someone within the DNC? Bernie's followers? Someone else?

Was it the purpose of the hacker (whoever that may be) to affect the outcome of the US election? ...or was that just a collateral effect? (as if significant numbers on either side actually changed their vote based on those revelations )

If it was sponsored, or actually done, by the Russian government, was it (the hacking) actually "requested" by the Trump campaign?

Also, IMO, the claim by President Obama (through Josh Earnest) that Trump publicly called for Putin to hack the DNC is complete nonsense. When the Russians were blamed by the Dems for carrying out hacking attacks, Trump simply made a joke that maybe they could find Hillary's missing 30000 email from her illegal private server while they were at it. Nothing to do with the DNC email hack. Others may have different opinions.

Very well stated, thanks.

And now, BHO stated yesterday in the news that America will retaliate against Russia.

ETA clock link:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office

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[RonD1120 58]

billvon

>What about the content of the DNC/HRC Wikileaks? Isn't that the important issue?

Sure. Let's compare them to the RNC leaks (the ones that Russia obtained but haven't released) and see which organization is more corrupt.

IMO, that is why Donald Trump was elected president. America wants leadership that is not Democrat, left leaning progressive liberal socialists. And, they do not want leadership that is Republican, left leaning homosexual wusses with no balls.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

IMO, that is why Donald Trump was elected president. America wants leadership that is not Democrat, left leaning progressive liberal socialists. And, they do not want leadership that is Republican, left leaning homosexual wusses with no balls.

Does that mean you concede that, for the last 8 years, America did want leadership that was Democrat, left leaning progressive liberal socialist?

And that this time around, more Americans also wanted leadership that was Democrat, left leaning progressive liberal socialist?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

No.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

No.

Why not?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

I am practicing the avoidance of ego-linear thought. It takes personal will, determination and tenacity.

"If you keep doing what you've always done, you will keep getting what you've always got."

If you what to experience something different you must do something different.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

I am practicing the avoidance of ego-linear thought.

And what does that have to do with what I just asked you?

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It takes personal will, determination and tenacity.

To avoid the question? But you make it look so easy.

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"If you keep doing what you've always done, you will keep getting what you've always got."

If you what to experience something different you must do something different.

But you always apply double standards, you always dodge questions you don't want to answer, and you always use psychotherapy mumbo-jumbo as a smokescreen. So what exactly is it that you think you're doing differently?

And, again, if the result of this election shows what America wants, why didn't the results of the last elections show what America wanted?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

You want a "this" that causes "that." I seek to avoid that. It is as it should be.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

You want a "this" that causes "that."

No, I want you to be honest. Futile mission, but maybe one day you'll slip...

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I seek to avoid that. It is as it should be.

Then why did you just do it?

I asked if you applied your reasoning to the previous elections. If that means I'm asking for a "this" that causes "that" then it is because your statement about the current election is about a "this" that causes "that".

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 1,912]

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America wants leadership that is not Democrat, left leaning progressive liberal socialists.

Actually, America indicated a preference for HRC at the ballot box. The electoral college prefers Trump. America is extremely divided. What America needs is a strong enemy to unite it. Fortunately Trump is working on turning China into just that.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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Royreader8812

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Nevertheless, Representative Devin Nunes, the California Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee and is a member of President-elect Trump's transition team as well as the Gang of Eight, has called for a briefing for his entire committee on the CIA assessment.

"The committee is vigorously looking into reports of cyber-attacks during the election campaign, and in particular we want to clarify press reports that the CIA has a new assessment that it has not shared with us," Nunes said.Representative Ron Johnson, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said his panel also has asked for a briefing but the CIA refused.

"It is disappointing that the CIA would provide information on this issue to the Washington Post and NBC but will not provide information to elected members of Congress," Johnson said in a statement on Friday.

Three U.S. government sources, who all asked for anonymity to discuss classified information, told Reuters that while the full congressional committees have not been briefed, the congressional leadership has, which is the standard procedure for briefing Congress on sensitive intelligence.

The sources said that Nunes was personally briefed on the CIA finding. A congressional official denied Nunes was briefed, however.

I would venture to guess that this will be gone from the media come January 20th. But it will not be gone from this forum.

If you want to test the validity of the intelligence community, just take what is happening in Syria, or more specifically Aleppo.

On one hand you have John Kerry and all those around and below him saying there is a blood bath going on, and in reality there are independent journalists walking down the said streets that are eerily silent and meanwhile thousands of militants that have surrendered (our proxy boys) are being humanely bussed off to another region by the Syrian and Russian governments.

I will refrain from commenting further on this subject because it is clear that the 'fake news' is the corporate media and they are reporting from illegitimate statements from government officials.

If it is maintainEd that Russia hacked the election after January 20th. Then I might take it seriously.

But I assume you lot will say, "but of course when Trump is president they will deny it", but that in itself would render the current stance just as bullshit, because it is essentially admitting the intelligence community puts the protection of the current regime ahead of integrity.

Russian and their Syrian proxies have systematically bombed the civilian hospitals of Aleppo as a routine tactic of war.

" The last operating hospital in east Aleppo has been destroyed by airstrikes, leaving up to 250,000 residents without access to surgery or specialist care, and rebel-held districts at the point of collapse.

Another four hospitals were hit and forced to close on Friday, before the Omar bin Abdul Aziz facility was struck just after 8.30pm, capping the most deadly day yet for the medical system in Syria’s second city, which has been systematically targeted by Russian and regime jets over the past year.

“They have all been repeatedly attacked over the last few days,” said David Nott, a surgeon with decades of experience working in war zones, who has been supporting the Aleppo doctors...

Médecins Sans Frontières said east Aleppo’s hospitals had been hit by bombs in more than 30 separate attacks since the siege began in July and there was no possibility of sending help or more supplies."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/aleppo-hospitals-knocked-out-airstrikes

Simultaneous sources including Médecins Sans Frontières have all stated that four, FOUR, hospitals were struck by airstrikes in a single day. Yet not one word from trump or his political hacks. trump has stated that he will hand over the keys to Iran and their puppet governments of Iraq and Lebanon. By ending support of moderate rebels and eliminating IS by bombing. Both of which prop up Iran and the hegemony which it has created.

Russian hacking and trumps indifference to it has made the US a laughing stock in the Arab world. They see Russia as strong and the US as weak. trump and other RNC leaders have harped on the idea that President Obama is weak on foreign policy.

Yet subsequent to the election trump has made zero statements on foreign political events. Including the discovery of air defence systems.
" China appears to have installed anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons on its man-made islands in the strategically vital South China Sea, a U.S. security think tank says, upping the stakes in what many see as a potential Asian powder keg."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-sent-weapons-to-contested-islands-report-says/
and the seizure of a US ROV in international waters.
"China has seized an unmanned underwater vehicle deployed by a U.S. Navy ship in international waters, according to Pentagon officials."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/16/505850933/china-seizes-unmanned-u-s-underwater-vehicle-in-international-waters

trump and his fanboys are whipping themselves into a new frenzy of outrage that the CIA and FBI are conspiring against a President elect. To protect a lame duck President. At the same time trump can't be bothered to attend daily intelligence briefings. Because
"On Fox News, Trump didn't address that question specifically, instead getting back to his reasons for not getting the daily intelligence briefing, known to the president and White House staff as the PDB.

"I don't have to be told — you know, I'm, like, a smart person," Trump said. "I don't have to be told the same thing and the same words every single day for the next eight years. It could be eight years — but eight years. I don't need that."
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/13/505348507/what-exactly-is-the-presidents-daily-brief-and-why-is-it-important

But trump has the time to attack Vanity Fair magazine about a review of a trump restaurant. Attack SNL over a skit they did mocking him and his haircuts.

The bombing of four Aleppo hospitals in a single day by Russian aircraft. Two weeks after trump was elected and not a word.
You should study the situation a little more thoroughly before you voice your opinion from " in reality there are independent journalists walking down the said streets that are eerily silent and meanwhile thousands of militants that have surrendered (our proxy boys) are being humanely bussed off to another region by the Syrian and Russian governments. "

Humanely bused off by the Syrian and Russian governments. The same governments that used nerve gas on their own civilians and bomb civilian hospitals. Those humane governments?

"Syrian pro-government forces in eastern Aleppo have been killing people, including women and children, on the spot in their homes and on the street, the United Nations says.

The UN's human rights office said streets were full of bodies."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38301629 from 13 December 2016.

I guess the UN can be added to the FBI, the CIA, CNN, The NY Times, Washington Post, etc.,etc., all conspiring against trump and his fanboys.

[rushmc 18]

Now we are getting some where.

Key word in your post?

Attempt.

No election outcome impact.


Plus there is still no evidence that the Russians had anything to do the Wiki leaks emails.


This is all a lefties fake news wet dream...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

gowlerk

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America wants leadership that is not Democrat, left leaning progressive liberal socialists.

Actually, America indicated a preference for HRC at the ballot box. The electoral college prefers Trump. America is extremely divided. What America needs is a strong enemy to unite it. Fortunately Trump is working on turning China into just that.

No. CA indicated a preference for HRC. The rest of the country picked Trump.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,255]

rushmc

No. CA indicated a preference for HRC. The rest of the country picked Trump.

So? Texas indicated a preference for Trump, the rest of the country was a landslide for Clinton.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 1,912]

Last time I checked Californians were American Citizens. Did you hear something different?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,255]

gowlerk

Last time I checked Californians were American Citizens. Did you hear something different?

Americans who voted for Clinton aren't real Americans. And since only real Americans matter, Trump actually won with 89% of the vote. QED.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,255]

Bob_Church

One last thing. They had decided what Virginia wanted. They didn't declare that, they declared Hillary Clinton as the next candidate while other people, including Sanders were sitting there. They had the arrogance and presumption to assume that the other 49 states and DC would go the same way.

No, they didn't need to assume anything. Every other state had also already voted. The results were in. Sanders had admitted defeat and endorsed Clinton already. Hilary Clinton was the candidate before the Virginia convention as surely as Donald Trump is President Elect even though the Electoral College has not yet made it so.

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Or maybe it wasn't arrogance and presumption. That's the real question, how early did the DNC already *KNOW* who there were going to give the candidacy to without any regard to what the rank and file wanted?

How about June the 7th, because that's when the result of state primaries and caucuses gave her an unassailable mjority of DNC delegates? As in, she already had the recorded support of the rank and file voters?

Go ahead and look it up for yourself, Bob. June 7th. Unassailable majority. Right? Agreed? The Virginia state convention was on June 18th.

Do ya get it now?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Royreader8812 0]

Ok I'll bite.

You are suggesting it is definitive that Russia carried out these airstrikes purposefully on hospitals.

Can you provide evidence of that please.

Not a statement but evidence.

If the Syrian observatory for human rights are mentioned, you can go slap yourself in face for being foolish..

Please realise there 'was' a war going on in eastern Aleppo and that war had two sides. One side was being equipped by the western coalition as proxies to get rid of Assad and were firing mortars and other heavy weapons constantly. They were also fundamental Islamists, the bad guys elsewhere.


I guess none of these hit any civilians or infrastructure, simply because the western media failed to say they did. It was all those sneaky Russians.

And I guess the old saying ' the first casualty of war is the truth' does not apply in your books, in this instance.

It is said time and time again, that Assad is 'indiscriminately bombing civilians' yet this only seems to be taking place where there are forces trying to take him over using military force... why does he not do it in western Aleppo, do you think?

The fact remains that Eastern Aleppo is now under government control, the fighting has stopped and aid is given now to all concerned and that includes the rebels that have surrendered.

I don't want to harp on about this, nor hijack the thread by changing the subject, but don't believe anything you read at face value. Look at both sides of the story and learn from history.

For 5 years a coalition of western countries were trying to fight ISIS, aparently, and they only got stronger and took more territory... in steps Russia and in 12 months they are all but defeated and the only thing keeping them going is money and weapons from Western allies that are openly trying to topple Assad.

And they are failing miserably.

Russia and Syria are winning because they are actually fighting for stability.

If they were indiscriminately killing civilians, why would they stop now?

If you wish to continue on this subject, please make another thread. I was using it as an example of the bullshit lies, lies you seem to take hook line and sinker.

When Syria is completely liberated in less than a year, and protected with Russian SAM's. I believe the indiscriminate killing will be long gone into history and Assad will be elected again.

Only time will tell there.