Trump and the KKK

[quade 3]

A couple of days ago David Duke endorsed Donald Trump.
http://www.businessinsider.com/david-duke-donald-trump-treason-heritage-2016-2?op=1

Then...
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/27/donald-trump-protester-kkk-shirt.cnn

You'll notice at no point does Trump deny the charge; only wishes the security could have dispatched the protester quicker. Meanwhile the crowd boos the protester and cheers Trump.

Then today...
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-klan-rally-in-anaheim-erupts-in-violence-one-man-stabbed-20160227-story.html

All I can say is this, if your candidate is getting endorcements from the KKK, you might want to think about getting another candidate.

Fuck Trump.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[gowlerk 1,956]

And people say BHO, and HRC are "polarizing" figures. I just can not believe what Trump has done to your election. American politics are so much more interesting than any others. I suppose that's because the stakes are so high.

God Bless America, she needs it right now.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,410]

quade

A couple of days ago David Duke endorsed Donald Trump.
http://www.businessinsider.com/david-duke-donald-trump-treason-heritage-2016-2?op=1

Then...
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/27/donald-trump-protester-kkk-shirt.cnn

You'll notice at no point does Trump deny the charge; only wishes the security could have dispatched the protester quicker. Meanwhile the crowd boos the protester and cheers Trump.

Then today...
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-klan-rally-in-anaheim-erupts-in-violence-one-man-stabbed-20160227-story.html

All I can say is this, if your candidate is getting endorcements from the KKK, you might want to think about getting another candidate.

Fuck Trump.

Funny, I thought we were supposed to have freedom of speech.
The guy is just standing there, not bothering anyone, so what is the problem?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[wolfriverjoe 1,368]

ryoder

Funny, I thought we were supposed to have freedom of speech.
The guy is just standing there, not bothering anyone, so what is the problem?

Well, some speech is "freer" than other.

I'm fully in favor of allowing the KKK or any other group holding a peaceful rally/march/demonstration. That's the whole purpose of free speech.

It sounds like the one in Aneheim was poorly policed, allowing protesters to attack the KKK guys. While I have very little sympathy, they should have had a stronger police presence to keep the two groups apart.

And Trump has demonstrated already his lack of tolerance for other viewpoints. Remember the vocal protester who was removed from a Trump rally a month or so ago? The one Trump suggested should be "roughed up"?

Quade is right. Fuck Trump.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[ryoder 1,410]

Jeff Greenfield article on the "nuclear option" for the GOP to stop Trump: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/donald-trump-2016-nuclear-option-213678

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[gowlerk 1,956]

Not gonna happen. They will watch in shock and awe as Trump takes the delegates he needs. Some will take a principled stand and declare for Clinton, knowing they will be forgiven under the circumstances. Most will put on a brave face and salvage as much down ticket as they can.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[turtlespeed 212]

I do believe he has a point with his very last statement made in that video.

Do you know what that is?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[gowlerk 1,956]

People are angry.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JerryBaumchen 1,080]

Hi Robert,

Quote

the "nuclear option"

Here is one for you: What up & coming Republican is willing to get on the ticket with Trump as V-P?

1. If they were to win, he would have no future because of how Trump would screw things up.

2. If they were to lose, he definitely would have no future.

Many one of our Canadian friends could come on down & get on the ticket with Trump. They couldn't go anywhere but they sure would have a great story to tell their grandchildren.

Jerry Baumchen

[normiss 643]

He clearly does love the poorly educated.

[riggerrob 562]

Donald Trump's father was arrested at a KKK rally (according to Wikipedia.)
Wikipedia also says that Trump senior was accused of being a racially-biased landlord who refused to rent apartments to blacks.

I believe that the KKK should be allowed to speak freely at public rallies .... as long as they are surrounded by Swedish clowns wearing brightly-coloured wigs, rubber noses, floppy shoes, etc.

[turtlespeed 212]

normiss

He clearly does love the poorly educated.

Not all of them.

Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you weren't poorly educated.

Mostly it means you have been indoctrinated.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 212]

riggerrob

Donald Trump's father was arrested at a KKK rally (according to Wikipedia.)
Wikipedia also says that Trump senior was accused of being a racially-biased landlord who refused to rent apartments to blacks.

I believe that the KKK should be allowed to speak freely at public rallies .... as long as they are surrounded by Swedish clowns wearing brightly-coloured wigs, rubber noses, floppy shoes, etc.

That is RIGHT! You are a canuckian and don't understand what the 1st amendment really means.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ryoder 1,410]

This is hilarious!
Someone created a Twitter account named "@ilduce2016" and tweeted Mussolini quotes at Trump, and the idiot retweeted one. It just goes to show how poorly-educated Trump is.

http://gawker.com/how-we-fooled-donald-trump-into-retweeting-benito-musso-1761795039

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[turtlespeed 212]

ryoder

This is hilarious!
Someone created a Twitter account named "@ilduce2016" and tweeted Mussolini quotes at Trump, and the idiot retweeted one. It just goes to show how poorly-educated Trump is.

http://gawker.com/how-we-fooled-donald-trump-into-retweeting-benito-musso-1761795039

You think Trump tweets or retweets anything?

You think that is air you are breathing?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ryoder 1,410]

So trump is falling back on the "Sgt Schultz" defense wrt David Duke and the KKK: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-david-duke_us_56d31097e4b0871f60ebbd35

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[quade 3]

ryoder

So trump is falling back on the "Sgt Schultz" defense wrt David Duke and the KKK: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-david-duke_us_56d31097e4b0871f60ebbd35

If he doesn't know "anything" about David Duke or the KKK, then he is admitting he's far too stupid to be the President. Or, he's a fuckin' liar.

There is no third option.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 2,471]

>Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you weren't poorly educated.
>Mostly it means you have been indoctrinated.

The strong anti-education sentiment coming from the right is one of the primary reasons that Trump is doing so well.

[kallend 1,679]

turtlespeed

***He clearly does love the poorly educated.

Not all of them.

Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you weren't poorly educated.

Mostly it means you have been indoctrinated.

Fortunately Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, Airbus, Intel, GE, Westinghouse, Pratt & Whitney, etc. choose to hire engineers with degrees to design their products.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DanG 1]

Your history is rusty. Parties change and realign. Reconstruction Republicans aren't the same as modern Republicans.

- Dan G

[ryoder 1,410]

quade

***So trump is falling back on the "Sgt Schultz" defense wrt David Duke and the KKK: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-david-duke_us_56d31097e4b0871f60ebbd35

If he doesn't know "anything" about David Duke or the KKK, then he is admitting he's far too stupid to be the President. Or, he's a fuckin' liar.

There is no third option.

Well he didn't know what "nuclear triad" meant until Rubio explained it to him in a debate, and didn't recognize the meaning of "ilduce", so I'm going with "stupid".

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[gowlerk 1,956]

He clearly is far from stupid. And just as clearly is ignorant.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[RonD1120 58]

billvon

>Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you weren't poorly educated.
>Mostly it means you have been indoctrinated.

The strong anti-education sentiment coming from the right is one of the primary reasons that Trump is doing so well.

Anti-liberal education is the correct sentiment.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[winsor 189]

RonD1120

***>Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you weren't poorly educated.
>Mostly it means you have been indoctrinated.

The strong anti-education sentiment coming from the right is one of the primary reasons that Trump is doing so well.

Anti-liberal education is the correct sentiment.

"Liberal Education" is an oxymoron.

Boeing, NASA et al. don't hire a lot of BAs to design their equipment.

[billvon 2,471]

>Anti-liberal education is the correct sentiment.

No, just anti-education. Educated people are mocked as clueless ivory-tower types. Doesn't matter if the college in question is Berkeley or Holy Cross; they are all money-wasting "indoctrination mills" to conservatives. (Indeed, the "soft" degrees that colleges like Holy Cross provide seem more of a target to conservatives than engineering degrees from "liberal indoctrination" mills like Stanford.)

Good take on this from a former conservative veteran:

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Thursday, Feb 26, 2015 02:15 PM PST
Salon

The right’s fear of education: What I learned as a (former) conservative military man

Why are Republicans constantly bashing college these days? I was one of them.

My first college experience was failing half my classes at the University of Nevada Las Vegas in 1992. The highlight was getting a “D” in English 101. Like many small town kids, I was overwhelmed and underprepared. I dropped out of UNLV, joined the military and got married. Being a 20-year-old father and “enlisted” man showed me exactly how not to live, so I started a backward, fumbling and circuitous process of getting my undergraduate degree. In seven years, I attended four community colleges, a university on a military base and attended military journalism school. I pieced the whole mess into a bachelor’s degree from Excelsior College, a credit aggregator that caters to military members.

Modern conservative politics push the notion that people who flip switches, burgers or bedpans don’t need “education.” They instead need “job training.” In Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s budget, someone crossed out this phrase: “to extend knowledge and its application beyond the boundaries of its campuses and to serve and stimulate society.” And added this instead: “to meet the state’s workforce needs.” Walker backed down on the language change when it was exposed, claiming it was a “mistake.” Really it was just one more tired attack on the idea of education as a public good, one that helps people find fulfillment and meaning.

I value education more than many people, because I struggled so hard to get it. I had a bad elementary school experience, failed the fifth grade, muddled through high school and dropped out of college. Teachers were always kind to me, saying things like, “He’s clever, but lazy.” They were wrong about me, just like when Republicans are always wrong about poor people being lazy or stupid. When I failed out of college the first time I was working a full-time job far above 40 hours a week, while also going to school. I was most worried about making a living, and my skill set mirrored that of so many in the working class: Work hard, day in and day out and be grateful. Educational success has little to do with innate intelligence or “goodness” and almost everything to do with class, upbringing and privilege.

I also viewed education with suspicion bordering on paranoia. I came from a rural mining town in Nevada where I knew mostly blue-collar men who neither needed nor wanted a college education. Listening to adults talk they always had a favorite villain: the person who jumped ahead in line and got a job or promotion, only because he or she had a college degree.

I have my own children now, and I know the limits of parenting. Children heed your example far more than your advice. It’s painful to watch your children struggle. It was the same for my conservative family who encouraged me to go college. They weren’t able to offer any meaningful guidance or help, and it was not their fault. First generation college students, like me, face an impossible climb. If you add in conservative hostility to education, it gets that much harder.

After getting a bachelor’s at 27, I went back to graduate school to study 18th century British literature at California State Hayward. I landed a new job in Reno and moved to the University of Nevada, Reno, finishing a master’s in English there. A few years later, I went back again, this time for a master’s of fine arts in creative writing from Antioch University Los Angeles, a school that emphasizes social justice—for many conservatives, a coded phrase that means “liberal.” Even as a libertarian attending a liberal college, people went out of their way to be both kind and tolerant to me. My preconceived notions about the “evil liberals of the ivory tower” looked more ignorant and narrow by the day.

Before college, I voted conservative, hated gay people, loved America and served my country in the armed services. I’ve changed because of many factors, but I know that college and graduate school made a difference. I met people unlike myself and was forced to defend sometimes ugly political positions. The Tea Party thrives on blue-collar “common sense” that is composed of a combination of ignorance, superstition and fear. A literate and educated populace is an existential threat to the kind of thoughtless rage that has consumed the right over the past few years.

When I write about how my politics evolved over a lifetime from conservative to liberal, people in the comments section like to point out my “liberal arts degrees.” Even my own friends like to remark on my MFA, usually by asking me to whip them up a “grande cappuccino.” It’s funny, and I go right along with the joke too. I understand the reality of trying to earn a living with an arts degree. At the same time, it’s troubling that educational fulfillment has turned into a punch line, even among those who believe in it.
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Some people on the right are very educated. Rick Santorum holds an MBA and a JD (with honors, no less), and his vehement hatred of college seems to stem from his kooky take on religion. Modern politics is drawing bizarre new battle lines between “family values” and a halfway decent education. American Christians may dislike “Islam,” but they share a lot of opinions with the radical Islamic group “Boko Haram,” a name that itself translates into “education is forbidden.” In our own country, we have a massive and growing group of people who would rather have illiterate children than let their kids learn anything that contradicts their most extreme religious views.

I know many thoughtful, educated and even liberal people who hold deep faith. Despite my own personal atheism, I accept the authentic religious experiences of others, but I’m troubled by a growing chorus of denial on climate change, evolution and the age of the planet. Anti-intellectualism may be an American tradition, but when “mainstream” politicians embrace ignorance, education ends up as collateral damage.

“Serious” presidential candidate Scott Walker seems to have a problem with evolution, sounding like an idiot, most recently while in England. Unlike Rick Santorum who is an overeducated hypocrite, Walker lives the life of a true education hater. Asked about not finishing his undergraduate experience (which I’m not necessarily attacking), Walker said, “The reason I went to college, in large part, was not just to get an education for an education’s sake, but to get a job.” For too many politicians, it all comes down to money.

In America, to our everlasting shame, money is the absolute yardstick of goodness. I like money just like anyone, but many other things have brought me as much or more satisfaction: being a father, writing an essay or seeing a new part of the planet. It’s easy to pick on poetry, humanity or art degrees.

I was able to go back to school in large part because my military service made it affordable. The GI Bill paid for both my master’s degrees. My background and rough start make me an unlikely champion of college education. I’ve also been socially adjusted for my whole life to feel like a pretentious asshole and a fraud every time I bring it up. But education makes a difference in people’s lives.

That’s why sensible people need to stand up against the vilification of education. A good start is to support Barack Obama’s free community college initiative. I earned most of the credits for my very first undergraduate degree at community colleges, and those classes kickstarted my interest in school. It’s hard to see how I would have ever overcome my own barriers without the patience of many community college instructors. Obama’s plan to fund community college will not only make our country a better place but will also improve, even slightly, the state of our shared humanity.

And to acknowledge the “other side,” education does help people find good, fulfilling jobs. Even my “slapped together” bachelor’s degree helped launch me into a career in public relations. The job has more than sustained me and my family, while also allowing me to explore my own outside interests.

Some days I wish I could use my graduate education to find a full-time academic job, but I passed up too many opportunities and wasted too many years fumbling around. Academic jobs and humanities scholarship itself are under assault, just like so many other valuable parts of America. I’m probably a coward, but I also don’t like the idea of leaving my longtime profession to start all over. Besides, there is inherent value to education even if someone isn’t paying you for it. I know my life would be less satisfying without it. For instance, if I had turned my back on education, I could have ended up as an ignorant asshole trying to turn back the very hands of human progress, much like the party to which I once belonged.
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