kallend 1,623 #176 October 12, 2015 rushmc****** Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with toughest gun control laws is 3.72 per 100,000 residents Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with least restrictive gun control laws is 4.91 per 100,000 residents Last time I checked, 4.91 > 3.72 32% higher in fact. yes Or 1.19 per 100,000 Funny how numbers look different So you wouldn't mind if your taxes were increased by by 32%. Funny how numbers that negatively affect other people look different when they're applied to you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #177 October 12, 2015 kallend********* Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with toughest gun control laws is 3.72 per 100,000 residents Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with least restrictive gun control laws is 4.91 per 100,000 residents Last time I checked, 4.91 > 3.72 32% higher in fact. yes Or 1.19 per 100,000 Funny how numbers look different So you wouldn't mind if your taxes were increased by by 32%. Funny how numbers that negatively affect other people look different when they're applied to you. Well if it went from 3.72 dollars per 100,000 earned to 4.91 dollars per 100,000 earned I wouldn't mind it. It's amazing how some people think it should be compared to per 100,000 Until percentages sound better for them. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #178 October 12, 2015 wmw999If 80% of gun violence is among thugs, that doesn't really make it OK. It does make it less likely to affect us (most of the Americans on this forum are probably white and middle-class). But by assigning the impacts to another group, we devalue them. Personally, I agree with you about both ends and the fact that there's a middle ground. Where it is, of course, is a matter of opinion. But I do think that we, as Americans, need to own the effects of fun violence as ours, and not just as belonging to ghetto-dwellers. Wendy P. Was that intentional or Freudian?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,122 #179 October 12, 2015 Damn you, auto-correct (or just plain tupo ) I guess if I were an NRA member maybe it would be fun violence Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #180 October 12, 2015 wmw999 Damn you, auto-correct (or just plain tupo ) I guess if I were an NRA member maybe it would be fun violence Wendy P. As much agreement you had out there . . . I was wondering if you were starting to bat for another team.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #181 October 12, 2015 BartsDaddy************ Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with toughest gun control laws is 3.72 per 100,000 residents Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with least restrictive gun control laws is 4.91 per 100,000 residents Last time I checked, 4.91 > 3.72 32% higher in fact. yes Or 1.19 per 100,000 Funny how numbers look different So you wouldn't mind if your taxes were increased by by 32%. Funny how numbers that negatively affect other people look different when they're applied to you. Well if it went from 3.72 dollars per 100,000 earned to 4.91 dollars per 100,000 earned I wouldn't mind it. It's amazing how some people think it should be compared to per 100,000 Until percentages sound better for them. There are over 300,000,000 people in the USA. Not 100,000. So an increase of 1.19 per 100,000 due to lax gun laws works out to be an additional 3,500 people murdered EVERY YEAR in the USA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #182 October 12, 2015 kallend*************** Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with toughest gun control laws is 3.72 per 100,000 residents Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with least restrictive gun control laws is 4.91 per 100,000 residents Last time I checked, 4.91 > 3.72 32% higher in fact. yes Or 1.19 per 100,000 Funny how numbers look different So you wouldn't mind if your taxes were increased by by 32%. Funny how numbers that negatively affect other people look different when they're applied to you. Well if it went from 3.72 dollars per 100,000 earned to 4.91 dollars per 100,000 earned I wouldn't mind it. It's amazing how some people think it should be compared to per 100,000 Until percentages sound better for them. There are over 300,000,000 people in the USA. Not 100,000. So an increase of 1.19 per 100,000 due to lax gun laws works out to be an additional 3,500 people murdered EVERY YEAR in the USA. Why are you not advocating more for restrictions and more laws and more enforcement of laws that kill at least one order of magnitude higher than guns?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #183 October 12, 2015 turtlespeed****************** Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with toughest gun control laws is 3.72 per 100,000 residents Average gun murder rate for top 10 states with least restrictive gun control laws is 4.91 per 100,000 residents Last time I checked, 4.91 > 3.72 32% higher in fact. yes Or 1.19 per 100,000 Funny how numbers look different So you wouldn't mind if your taxes were increased by by 32%. Funny how numbers that negatively affect other people look different when they're applied to you. Well if it went from 3.72 dollars per 100,000 earned to 4.91 dollars per 100,000 earned I wouldn't mind it. It's amazing how some people think it should be compared to per 100,000 Until percentages sound better for them. There are over 300,000,000 people in the USA. Not 100,000. So an increase of 1.19 per 100,000 due to lax gun laws works out to be an additional 3,500 people murdered EVERY YEAR in the USA. Why are you not advocating more for restrictions and more laws and more enforcement of laws that kill at least one order of magnitude higher than guns? Non sequitur.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #184 October 12, 2015 Doesn't fit the MO. It's not about saving lives it's about being able to bitch moan and wine about something. Want to save a multitude of lives more than guns take, worry about tobacco, or the dozen of other non constitutionaly protected activities that kill more innocent people than guns do. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #185 October 12, 2015 AnvilbrotherDoesn't fit the MO. It's not about saving lives it's about being able to bitch moan and wine about something. Want to save a multitude of lives more than guns take, worry about tobacco, or the dozen of other non constitutionaly protected activities that kill more innocent people than guns do. AND!! It is about the intent and how that makes you feel IT IS NOT About the results Another example? The war on poverty Failure for over 40 years"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #186 October 12, 2015 AnvilbrotherDoesn't fit the MO. It's not about saving lives it's about being able to bitch moan and wine about something. Want to save a multitude of lives more than guns take, worry about tobacco, or the dozen of other non constitutionaly protected activities that kill more innocent people than guns do. I wonder what would happen in the liberal sphere, if it was proven that green energy cars caused cancer.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #187 October 12, 2015 AnvilbrotherDoesn't fit the MO. It's not about saving lives it's about being able to bitch moan and wine about something. Want to save a multitude of lives more than guns take, worry about tobacco, or the dozen of other non constitutionaly protected activities that kill more innocent people than guns do. Patriot act, anyone?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #188 October 12, 2015 Liberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #189 October 12, 2015 QuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #190 October 12, 2015 jakeeQuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?) The gun-nuts are ignoring the thousands of their fellow citizens who are shot dead every year due to unnecessarily lax gun laws, and the anguish of the victims' families. So they throw dust in the air to try to conceal their indifference.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #191 October 12, 2015 kallend***QuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?) The gun-nuts are ignoring the thousands of their fellow citizens who are shot dead every year due to unnecessarily lax gun laws, and the anguish of the victims' families. So they throw dust in the air to try to conceal their indifference. Going to fun see you prove this one My issue is with the anti gun idiots who keep setting up defense free target zones for those with drug and mental issues BTW How many got shot and killed in Chicago this weekend?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #192 October 12, 2015 rushmc******QuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?) The gun-nuts are ignoring the thousands of their fellow citizens who are shot dead every year due to unnecessarily lax gun laws, and the anguish of the victims' families. So they throw dust in the air to try to conceal their indifference. Going to fun see you prove this one See your post #159 this thread, associated with a process known as "arithmetic". Quote How many got shot and killed in Chicago this weekend? More than before they loosened the gun laws. Gun murders are UP 21%... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #193 October 12, 2015 kallend*********QuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?) The gun-nuts are ignoring the thousands of their fellow citizens who are shot dead every year due to unnecessarily lax gun laws, and the anguish of the victims' families. So they throw dust in the air to try to conceal their indifference. Going to fun see you prove this one See your post #159 this thread, associated with a process known as "arithmetic". Quote How many got shot and killed in Chicago this weekend? More than before they loosened the gun laws. Gun murders are UP 21% You never list the laws or how they have been loosened so Just more bs on your part"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #194 October 12, 2015 rushmc************QuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?) The gun-nuts are ignoring the thousands of their fellow citizens who are shot dead every year due to unnecessarily lax gun laws, and the anguish of the victims' families. So they throw dust in the air to try to conceal their indifference. Going to fun see you prove this one See your post #159 this thread, associated with a process known as "arithmetic". Quote How many got shot and killed in Chicago this weekend? More than before they loosened the gun laws. Gun murders are UP 21% You never list the laws or how they have been loosened so Just more bs on your part Incorrect. You have a remarkably selective memory.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #195 October 12, 2015 kallend***************QuoteLiberal anti gunners are like doctors that are ignoring cardiovascular disease, infectious diseases, strokes, cancer, COPD etc, and are requesting billions of dollars to stop pertussis. Like right-wing anti-terrorists? (And what is it that they're ignoring?) The gun-nuts are ignoring the thousands of their fellow citizens who are shot dead every year due to unnecessarily lax gun laws, and the anguish of the victims' families. So they throw dust in the air to try to conceal their indifference. Going to fun see you prove this one See your post #159 this thread, associated with a process known as "arithmetic". Quote How many got shot and killed in Chicago this weekend? More than before they loosened the gun laws. Gun murders are UP 21% You never list the laws or how they have been loosened so Just more bs on your part Incorrect. You have a remarkably selective memory. Then all you need do is link the post buy you wont"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #196 October 12, 2015 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4761614#4761614 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4761353#4761353 How does that crow taste?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #197 October 12, 2015 kallendhttp://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4761614#4761614 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4761353#4761353 How does that crow taste? Who the hell are you responding to with these? Forget who you are bsing? And Were ANY who were legal to carry involved and ANY of these shooting? These are nothing about the laws just more of you bs Also No proposed law or strengthening of any existing law would have stopped/prevented ANY of the mass shooting in the last two years! As admitted to by by the President (for one example) http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/foghorn/white-house-admits-common-sense-laws-wouldnt-have-stopped-va-shooter-wants-them-anyway/ So if it feels good and does nothing we will just do it anyway? John You have lost the argument here and have lost it with the American people"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #198 October 12, 2015 You asked for proof, I gave it (data from your OWN post) You said I never stated which laws were changed, when just 9 days ago I had done that. You asked for links to said posts, and said I wouldn't give them. I gave them. Now you weasel weasel weasel and weasel some more.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #199 October 12, 2015 kallend You asked for proof, I gave it (data from your OWN post) You said I never stated which laws were changed, when just 9 days ago I had done that. You asked for links to said posts, and said I wouldn't give them. I gave them. Now you weasel weasel weasel and weasel some more. I asked for proof of gun laws you said were made toothless or new laws that would help YOU changed the question And you links mean nothing to the point you are trying to infer because none of the shooting are being done by legal gun owners"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #200 October 12, 2015 Giving people the right to keep arms is NOT loosening any laws If this is what you are inferring you are way off the tracks again"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
