This is going to get interesting

[brenthutch 388]

On the Republican side Trump will flame out and all of his support will go to other anti establishment candidates, leaving Bush, Kasich, Christie, Walker, and Rubio to split the "establishment" vote.

On the Democratic side we have Hillary whose support is collapsing under the pressure of email gate. Bernie Sanders a 73 year old Socialist curmudgeon, Martin O'Malley whose claime to fame is the awesome city of Baltimore and Joe-needs no explanation- Biden.

Thoughts?

[Coreeece 2]

brenthutch

On the Republican side Trump will flame out and all of his support will go to other anti establishment candidates, leaving Bush, Kasich, Christie, Walker, and Rubio to split the "establishment" vote.

On the Democratic side we have Hillary whose support is collapsing under the pressure of email gate. Bernie Sanders a 73 year old Socialist curmudgeon, Martin O'Malley whose claime to fame is the awesome city of Baltimore and Joe-needs no explanation- Biden.

Thoughts?

The first televised collapse of a great empire?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[billvon 2,426]

>On the Republican side Trump will flame out

The more people say this the more I think it's just wishful thinking. Trump's popularity keeps growing, and he seems to be ignoring all that wishful thinking.

What's going to cause his "flameout?" Is he going to say something more divisive than claim that Mexican immigrants are rapists? Is he going to make a dumber proposal than a 2000 mile long wall that he will bill to Mexico? Is he going to say something more offensive that claiming his interviewer was on the rag, and that's why she was asking hard questions? Is he going to have a bigger problem with hypocrisy than proposing to deport all illegal aliens while using them on his construction projects?

He's already done everything he can to flame out, and the GOP just likes him more and more. He's a reality TV star - and a lot of people love reality TV.

[Anvilbrother 0]

I think it's like a toy or a test drive in a sports car. It's fun until you face the reality of actually having to accept responsibility for buying the thing. People are having fun, when they actually face the facts that you will have to deal with having him as a president I HOPE they change their minds.

There are kids that haven't even been conceived yet that will be born before the next president takes office. It's too soon.

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[brenthutch 388]

IMHO Trump has a ceiling of less than 50% in the Republican Party. When the winnowing begins, where will the support go? Trump will take out Bush and himself in the process. So no Trump, no Bush, who is next?

On the Democratic side, if/when Hillary implodes who will be left standing.

[Coreeece 2]

Whatever happens - tho it may not be good for the country - these are exciting times in history when we get to witness political parties eating their own...it's good stuff.

It gives me a sense of unity...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[billvon 2,426]

>I think it's like a toy or a test drive in a sports car. It's fun until you face the
>reality of actually having to accept responsibility for buying the thing.

That's a good analogy. But consider how many people in the US end up buying the sports car (or the big truck, or the boat) even in the face of knowing intellectually it's a bad idea. There's a reason there is a term called "buyer's remorse."

[brenthutch 388]

billvon

>I think it's like a toy or a test drive in a sports car. It's fun until you face the
>reality of actually having to accept responsibility for buying the thing.

That's a good analogy. But consider how many people in the US end up buying the sports car (or the big truck, or the boat) even in the face of knowing intellectually it's a bad idea. There's a reason there is a term called "buyer's remorse."

Or an Obama.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Very true. One of the posters here had that before.

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[brenthutch 388]

Obama is in the rear view mirror, let us focus on the future.

[Anvilbrother 0]

I agree. So is future president trump going to use his own Sikorsky or marine one?

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[wmw999 2,146]

I think Americans value "take no prisoners, don't negotiate" politicians too much. They emphasize power (which some seem to think reflects on them as glory), rather than growth. And they tend to forget that with any project/company/country, the best result isn't the one that you visualize, it's the one that your project/company/country can buy into and accomplish. Because they're the ones doing the work of making it happen.

I really want a good matchup. I want to have to choose between the better of two candidates, rather than the less-bad.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[lawrocket 3]

wmw999

I think Americans value "take no prisoners, don't negotiate" politicians too much. They emphasize power (which some seem to think reflects on them as glory), rather than growth. And they tend to forget that with any project/company/country, the best result isn't the one that you visualize, it's the one that your project/company/country can buy into and accomplish. Because they're the ones doing the work of making it happen.

I really want a good matchup. I want to have to choose between the better of two candidates, rather than the less-bad.

Wendy P.

I can see this election cycle as being the one that really gets people to stop and ask what the hell we were thinking. Kinda like. "All right. I think we took it too far."

Anyone here think that when Hillary gets the nomination that Bernie Sanders won't run as a third party candidate? Or what about Trump? Both of them playing the Perot/Nader role.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 1,647]

Deez for President!

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[brenthutch 388]

lawrocket

***I think Americans value "take no prisoners, don't negotiate" politicians too much. They emphasize power (which some seem to think reflects on them as glory), rather than growth. And they tend to forget that with any project/company/country, the best result isn't the one that you visualize, it's the one that your project/company/country can buy into and accomplish. Because they're the ones doing the work of making it happen.

I really want a good matchup. I want to have to choose between the better of two candidates, rather than the less-bad.

Wendy P.

I can see this election cycle as being the one that really gets people to stop and ask what the hell we were thinking. Kinda like. "All right. I think we took it too far."

Anyone here think that when Hillary gets the nomination that Bernie Sanders won't run as a third party candidate? Or what about Trump? Both of them playing the Perot/Nader role.

I think it is plausible that both Trump AND Bernie run as a third and fourth party candidate. The next president may only garner 30% of the vote.

[wmw999 2,146]

And depending on who the republicans put up as their candidate, I might even vote for Bernie . It's like a vote for Ron Paul. If he's elected, he won't get far on his platform because there's too far to go, but at least he does seem to be a gentleman who understands that many opposing viewpoints are OK because they also belong to his constituents.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[PhreeZone 15]

As much as some people want this to be wishful thinking I have recently spent some time around a few people that are 100% voting for Trump since he is a "True Conservative
and "Will stick it to the liberals as hard as possible!" This person was also going out fund raising for Trump and was planning on backing him even if he went third party since the rest were "Republicans in name only".

A few weeks ago when Trump was only poling at 15% I sat back and listened as a group of people at our community pool were having a conversation and there seemed to be a large portion of the group that said no matter what they would vote for Trump since he does not "owe anyone anything" and since he was so successful as a businessman he would be able to get jobs back to the hard working Americans that have had all their jobs stolen by illegals. That seemed to be a reoccurring theme for a few in the group in that they were expecting Trump to keep all the illegals out and then hunt down all the illegals here and kick them out using the military if needed. Another reoccurring topic seemed to be they wanted to figure out how to get Obama and the Clintons (and liberals in general) arrested for crimes against America.

I think that we are seeing the manifestation of a candidate that is exactly what a lot of people have been pushing as argument points against the current administration and against a potential Democratic candidate. Little thought is being given to the unity of the county and working towards a common goal but Trump is hitting on all the points that I've heard pushed on some media outlets for the last few years. Get the illegals out of the county, increase the military, cut all the government that is "dragging business down", etc. No one really wants to have all of those things at the same time but they are all great talking points and if you can get one point to stick with every person you now are building critical mass and can eliminate a lot of the more mainstream people from the race.

Once the race gets down to 5-6 candidates one of two things will happen - Trump will fall to middle of the pack since all the support will be going to some of the more traditional candidates or he is going to win the nomination since as you look at some of the others like Christie and others that drop out and their supporters go to Trump. I hope its option 1 for a lot of reasons but it will be interesting to see for sure.

Trump will have some issues around funding the campaign since he has already lost the support of some major PAC's and will need to finance the majority of this out of his pocket. He has deep pockets on paper but a lot of his wealth is tied up and is not liquid to be able to be spent easily. Where this gets interesting is that if he runs without the support of most of the PAC's that frees a lot of the PAC money up to be spent on issues and other campaigns at the state and local level. In someways this can work well for the republicans since now the money can go a lot further in terms of winning more than just the presidency. If he does not get the nomination and runs as a third party now that PAC money is going to have to go for the presidential election to fight against him and the democrats and not help the state and local issues at all.

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And tomorrow is a mystery

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[Elisha 1]

Caveat: I haven't had cable in years and thus have not watched any of the talking heads myself.

This is a friend's Facebook post yesterday on the candidates:

"Political observations on the candidates so far:
When reporters ask a presidential candidate about something the candidate would rather not talk about there is a pattern in the type of response given.
Trump: Yeah I said it, I am right and you are dumb. Where’s my jet?
Clinton: The facts are out there and I didn’t do anything wrong. I am one of you. Where’s my jet?
Christie: Enough with the bridge already. 9-11. Where’s the helicopter bridge traffic is awful.
Jeb Bush: Hu? Um… the intelligence, I blame the intelligence.
Carson: …………………………………………… I ………………………….aaaaa………….
Rick Santorum: That’s not what my name means!
Huckabee: I think a Chrisitian Califate IS the way to go.
Walker: I am not out of my depth. Yeah, the 14th amendment won’t hold up in court.
Bernie Sanders: I don’t like that question. I don’t answer big media questions. There is something deeply wrong with people wanting to make decisions for themselves.
Paul: People do care about government over reach!
Marco Rubio: [Insert perfect polished politician commentary]
Cruz: I am not Canadian. Paul is right, vote for me. I am one of you."

[masterblaster72 0]

wmw999

And depending on who the republicans put up as their candidate, I might even vote for Bernie . It's like a vote for Ron Paul. If he's elected, he won't get far on his platform because there's too far to go, but at least he does seem to be a gentleman who understands that many opposing viewpoints are OK because they also belong to his constituents.

Wendy P.

Bernie is the most authentic and cogent of all of the candidates. These qualities go a long way with me -- same reasons I supported Ron Paul in 2012.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[masterblaster72 0]

lawrocket

I can see this election cycle as being the one that really gets people to stop and ask what the hell we were thinking. Kinda like. "All right. I think we took it too far."

IMO we already crossed the "too far" line in 2000 & 2004. The consequences confirm it.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Amazon 7]

PhreeZone

As much as some people want this to be wishful thinking I have recently spent some time around a few people that are 100% voting for Trump since he is a "True Conservative
and "Will stick it to the liberals as hard as possible!" This person was also going out fund raising for Trump and was planning on backing him even if he went third party since the rest were "Republicans in name only".

A few weeks ago when Trump was only poling at 15% I sat back and listened as a group of people at our community pool were having a conversation and there seemed to be a large portion of the group that said no matter what they would vote for Trump since he does not "owe anyone anything" and since he was so successful as a businessman he would be able to get jobs back to the hard working Americans that have had all their jobs stolen by illegals. That seemed to be a reoccurring theme for a few in the group in that they were expecting Trump to keep all the illegals out and then hunt down all the illegals here and kick them out using the military if needed. Another reoccurring topic seemed to be they wanted to figure out how to get Obama and the Clintons (and liberals in general) arrested for crimes against America.

I think that we are seeing the manifestation of a candidate that is exactly what a lot of people have been pushing as argument points against the current administration and against a potential Democratic candidate. Little thought is being given to the unity of the county and working towards a common goal but Trump is hitting on all the points that I've heard pushed on some media outlets for the last few years. Get the illegals out of the county, increase the military, cut all the government that is "dragging business down", etc. No one really wants to have all of those things at the same time but they are all great talking points and if you can get one point to stick with every person you now are building critical mass and can eliminate a lot of the more mainstream people from the race.

Once the race gets down to 5-6 candidates one of two things will happen - Trump will fall to middle of the pack since all the support will be going to some of the more traditional candidates or he is going to win the nomination since as you look at some of the others like Christie and others that drop out and their supporters go to Trump. I hope its option 1 for a lot of reasons but it will be interesting to see for sure.

Trump will have some issues around funding the campaign since he has already lost the support of some major PAC's and will need to finance the majority of this out of his pocket. He has deep pockets on paper but a lot of his wealth is tied up and is not liquid to be able to be spent easily. Where this gets interesting is that if he runs without the support of most of the PAC's that frees a lot of the PAC money up to be spent on issues and other campaigns at the state and local level. In someways this can work well for the republicans since now the money can go a lot further in terms of winning more than just the presidency. If he does not get the nomination and runs as a third party now that PAC money is going to have to go for the presidential election to fight against him and the democrats and not help the state and local issues at all.

Sounds like the perfect definition of an Oligarchy to me....

The perception of him being a successful businessman ( A MAKER) and not the faker that he really is will be used to elevate him or one of his billionaires to the American Throne..... and our democracy will cease to exist.

[billvon 2,426]

>I can see this election cycle as being the one that really gets people to stop
>and ask what the hell we were thinking. Kinda like. "All right. I think we took it
>too far."

Yep. And that might be a lesson we have to learn the hard way.

[brenthutch 388]

Watching Trump is nauseating, he is the Republican version of Obama's hope and change. He could deliver the same populist message with intellectual underpinnings if he gave it half a thouhgt. He is smart but he thinks that the American people are stupid. Just like Obama and Romney. They may be right, I hope they are not.

[kallend 1,647]

brenthutch

On the Republican side Trump will flame out and all of his support will go to other anti establishment candidates, leaving Bush, Kasich, Christie, Walker, and Rubio to split the "establishment" vote.

On the Democratic side we have Hillary whose support is collapsing under the pressure of email gate. Bernie Sanders a 73 year old Socialist curmudgeon, Martin O'Malley whose claime to fame is the awesome city of Baltimore and Joe-needs no explanation- Biden.

Thoughts?

I'm looking forward to Bernie vs The Donald in the general election.

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[RonD1120 58]

kallend

***On the Republican side Trump will flame out and all of his support will go to other anti establishment candidates, leaving Bush, Kasich, Christie, Walker, and Rubio to split the "establishment" vote.

On the Democratic side we have Hillary whose support is collapsing under the pressure of email gate. Bernie Sanders a 73 year old Socialist curmudgeon, Martin O'Malley whose claime to fame is the awesome city of Baltimore and Joe-needs no explanation- Biden.

Thoughts?

I'm looking forward to Bernie vs The Donald in the general election.

You and Michael Savage, he calls it the ultimate shoot out in American politics. That just might settle the socialism vs. capitalism argument for a long time.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.