Anvilbrother 0 #201 June 20, 2015 I don't know Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #202 June 20, 2015 Thread drift happens. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #203 June 20, 2015 BartsDaddy Thread drift happens. Did Newton predict thread drift?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #204 June 20, 2015 turtlespeed ***Thread drift happens. Did Newton predict thread drift?Yeah but I think it was Wayne not Eisic. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #205 June 21, 2015 Denier funding: www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/09/secretive-donors-gave-us-climate-denial-groups-125m-over-three-years... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #206 June 21, 2015 kallendDenier funding: www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/09/secretive-donors-gave-us-climate-denial-groups-125m-over-three-years Alarmist/wacko funding > $8 billion. If the "deniers" didn't have science on their side they wouldn't stand a chance. Thankfully the truth has a way of prevailing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #207 June 21, 2015 QuoteAlarmist/wacko funding > $8 billion. If the "deniers" didn't have science on their side they wouldn't stand a chance. Thankfully the truth has a way of prevailing. If you count all funding of climate science, then sure, your number might be real. That's like saying NASA's budget is moon landing denier funding. What the deniers have on their side is people's desire for climate change to not be happening. It helps people justify their disregard of the environment. It is selfishness pure and simple. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #208 June 21, 2015 brenthutch***Denier funding: www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/09/secretive-donors-gave-us-climate-denial-groups-125m-over-three-years Alarmist/wacko funding > $8 billion. If the "deniers" didn't have science on their side they wouldn't stand a chance. Thankfully the truth has a way of prevailing. Well, putting it that way, I can include all of Exxon-Mobil's revenues as denier funding.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #209 June 21, 2015 kallend******Denier funding: www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/09/secretive-donors-gave-us-climate-denial-groups-125m-over-three-years Alarmist/wacko funding > $8 billion. If the "deniers" didn't have science on their side they wouldn't stand a chance. Thankfully the truth has a way of prevailing. Well, putting it that way, I can include all of Exxon-Mobil's revenues as denier funding. Don't you do that already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #210 June 21, 2015 brenthutch*********Denier funding: www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/09/secretive-donors-gave-us-climate-denial-groups-125m-over-three-years Alarmist/wacko funding > $8 billion. If the "deniers" didn't have science on their side they wouldn't stand a chance. Thankfully the truth has a way of prevailing. Well, putting it that way, I can include all of Exxon-Mobil's revenues as denier funding. Don't you do that already? As well as BP, ConocoPhillips, and all the othersI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #211 June 21, 2015 brenthutch*********Denier funding: www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/09/secretive-donors-gave-us-climate-denial-groups-125m-over-three-years Alarmist/wacko funding > $8 billion. If the "deniers" didn't have science on their side they wouldn't stand a chance. Thankfully the truth has a way of prevailing. Well, putting it that way, I can include all of Exxon-Mobil's revenues as denier funding. Don't you do that already?thereby proving that you aren't paying attention.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #212 June 22, 2015 Fossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #213 June 22, 2015 brenthutchFossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Even water is toxic if taken in excess.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #214 June 22, 2015 kallend***Fossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Even water is toxic if taken in excess. So is moderation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #215 June 22, 2015 kallend***Fossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Even water is toxic if taken in excess. If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle. What is your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,346 #216 June 22, 2015 brenthutchFossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Yes, especially in Nigeria. http://www.eyesonnigeria.org/EON_Extractives.html"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #217 June 22, 2015 wolfriverjoe***Fossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Yes, especially in Nigeria. http://www.eyesonnigeria.org/EON_Extractives.html The article is more about oil production done poorly than oil production itself. As Kallend has rightly pointed out, water can be as hazardous as oil, if done incorrectly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #218 June 22, 2015 brenthutch******Fossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Even water is toxic if taken in excess. If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle. What is your point? Sorry, but that analogy might have worked 30 years ago, but if you ask Caitlyn, if she was your aunt or your uncle, what do you think the answer would be?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,346 #219 June 22, 2015 brenthutch******Fossil fuels and capitalism have done more for humanity (and the poor in particular) than all of the progressive/liberal/socialist programs combined. I realize it is part of the progressive zeitgeist to embrace failure, but why must you do so at the expense of the poor? Yes, especially in Nigeria. http://www.eyesonnigeria.org/EON_Extractives.html The article is more about oil production done poorly than oil production itself. As Kallend has rightly pointed out, water can be as hazardous as oil, if done incorrectly. Well, the mineral extraction industry as a whole has a long, long history of making huge messes and simply leaving them. To the detriment of the people who live there. Strip mining of coal in the Appalachian region, oil in Africa & South America, gold mines across the western US. The ratio of "production done poorly" that leaves behind big environmental damage vs "production done properly" that doesn't is pretty big. Worker safety is a very similar situation."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #220 June 22, 2015 Think of the mess we would be in if we did not have: oil, natural gas, coal, copper, iron, aluminum etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #221 June 22, 2015 brenthutchThink of the mess we would be in if we did not have: oil, natural gas, coal, copper, iron, aluminum etc. Of course, the Superfund does add to the debt.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,412 #222 June 22, 2015 >Think of the mess we would be in if we did not have: oil, natural gas, coal, copper, >iron, aluminum etc. And think of how much less developed the US would be if not for slave labor, steam engines, tow canals, draft horses and cassion workers. Fortunately we manage to advance beyond some of those things, and make the rest cleaner and safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #223 June 22, 2015 kallend***Think of the mess we would be in if we did not have: oil, natural gas, coal, copper, iron, aluminum etc. Of course, the Superfund does add to the debt. True. Good thing we're moving towards batteries. Everyone knows that they are great for groundwater once they're used up. And that cobalt used in production of them? It's far from pleasant. Bill: you've mentioned peak oil many times in the past. Assuming we get a massive number of EVs on the road, will "peak lithium" start to become a concern? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,412 #224 June 22, 2015 >Bill: you've mentioned peak oil many times in the past. Assuming we get a massive >number of EVs on the road, will "peak lithium" start to become a concern? To a degree, yes. What will mitigate this is: 1) The lithium is not "used up." It's all still there and can be recovered. Right now new ore is cheaper, but that won't always be the case. 2) Lithium is simply the current best chemistry for EV's. That will likely not always be true. Aluminum-air batteries, for example, are far more energy-dense - but harder to recharge. (Both "peak oil" and "peak lithium" do not indicate the end of either; it just indicates the end of cheap oil and cheap lithium.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #225 June 22, 2015 billvon>Think of the mess we would be in if we did not have: oil, natural gas, coal, copper, >iron, aluminum etc. And think of how much less developed the US would be if not for slave labor, steam engines, tow canals, draft horses and cassion workers. Fortunately we manage to advance beyond some of those things, and make the rest cleaner and safer. Probably better in the long run. Less developed but slavery diddn't happen so maybe no racism induced violence, spending, and hate. Would be great to have a time machine and see how it would have played out if black people and Asians would have never sold their own to the Americas. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
