AGW +2C? +6C? It has happened before.

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DanG

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SpaceX? Depends on government contracts.

So does Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Orbital Sciences, etc.

Are they lefty dreams, too?

Indeed! Existing to serve to government. I agree that we should cut military spending. Just like lefties.

It's totally an indication that the GOP is no less socialist than the Democrats. They eacvh have their own pet projects. They both like spending taxpayer dollars on their own ideals of what government should do.

Between the two, there is little left. Look at how Lockheed was able to do it. Lockheed spread the manufacturing through 30 or 40 states, meaning that the Senate will always be in its favor. Lessons learned from the Apollo program. When the Apollo money went to Cali, NY, Florida, Texas and Alabama, it was fodder for all of the other states to get rid of. Think Fritz Mondale was going to let Long Island take money he could be giving to his constituents?

This is how it works now. Government contracts which must be spread out as far and wide as possible to ensure continued funding. It's why COngress keeps funding going to build more Abrams tanks even though the Army says it doesn't want any more. The network of vendors who supply parts for it is so vast that Congress has kept the spigot open.

So yes. You are right. Just like it. The GOP is as lefty as the Dems. Just with different pet projects.

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It seems you are the one promotiong maximums or minimums.

Really, where have I done that?

You asked when I thought Exxon had reached the level of "paying enough". Assuming you mean enough in absolute dollars, the answer is never, since taxation is generally based on a percentage of revenue.

When do you think they pay enough?

At this point, paying enough is what the law says
All Exxon did was follow tax law
Like everyone else
So why do so many bitch about the tax breaks that are defined by law?

Reason?
It is a carbon fuel company

I am all for a more simple tax structure but, that will never happen because the greenies will not be able to throw my money at compaines like Tesla. Which in the end becomes a big money laundering skeme to turn taxpayer dollars in to campain donations.

As to when are they paying enough?
Corp tax rates are too high today
And I only say this because of where todays US rates put US companies when looking at other countries rates

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Did Tesla break the tax law? If not, why are you complaining?

- Dan G

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DanG

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More like "I will give you billions in loan guarantees, you donate to my campaign fund, you go bankrupt, we stick the tax payer with the bill, and then we will wrap ourselves in the "save the planet" banner to insulate us from scrutiny.

Sure, for the 3% of gream loans that have defaulted. What about the 97% that don't?

Source? And while you are digging that up, consider the following:

"Since 1973, U.S. government agencies have spent $154.7 billion on “renewable energy” with very little to show for it. Proponents of solar technology claim that their favored technology is on the verge of being competitive with traditional forms of energy, but they have made the same claim since at least the mid-1990s. Billions of dollars in subsidies later, solar still only comprises at most 0.2 percent of U.S. electricity production according to the Energy Information Administration.

“Green” energy subsidies benefit the politically connected while harming future generations as hundreds of millions of dollars are added to the country’s debt burden with each green failure. It’s time to end all subsidies–for all energy companies, not just green ones–and let the best technologies win."

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DanG

Did Tesla break the tax law? If not, why are you complaining?

This is where it has come. Arguing over corporate greed because of handouts given by the government.

Destroy from within,

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

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"Since 1973, U.S. government agencies have spent $154.7 billion on “renewable energy” with very little to show for it. Proponents of solar technology claim that their favored technology is on the verge of being competitive with traditional forms of energy, but they have made the same claim since at least the mid-1990s. Billions of dollars in subsidies later, solar still only comprises at most 0.2 percent of U.S. electricity production according to the Energy Information Administration.

“Green” energy subsidies benefit the politically connected while harming future generations as hundreds of millions of dollars are added to the country’s debt burden with each green failure. It’s time to end all subsidies–for all energy companies, not just green ones–and let the best technologies win."

Source? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

http://www.energyfactcheck.org/fact-checks/fisker-automotive-solyndra-and-other-struggling-green-energy-companies-backed-by-department-of-energy-loans-are-evidence-that-the-government-wastes-money-trying-to-pick-winners

- Dan G

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So why do so many bitch about the tax breaks that are defined by law?

You and Brent bitched about it with Tesla, now you are all upset people bitch about it.

This feels very similar to the time you defined "Alarmist".......differently every time.

[lawrocket 3]

DanG

http://www.energyfactcheck.org/fact-checks/fisker-automotive-solyndra-and-other-struggling-green-energy-companies-backed-by-department-of-energy-loans-are-evidence-that-the-government-wastes-money-trying-to-pick-winners

Let's take a look at the oxymoron:

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FACT: The DOE loan guarantee program is an overwhelmingly successful program that played a critical role

Fact: "overwhelmingly successful" is not a fact. That is opinion.

Fact: "critical role" is not a fact. That is an opinion.

This is part and parcel of the newspeak. PAint opinions as fact. Amazing how many people latch onto opinions as fact.

MAybe some facts are in there. I didn't get past that. Facts should be stated as facts right at the start.

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[SkyDekker 1,130]

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Fact: "overwhelmingly successful" is not a fact. That is opinion.

Uhmm no, that is not a fact. If overwhelming succes is defined then it is very much a factual statement.

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Fact: "critical role" is not a fact. That is an opinion.

See above.

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This is part and parcel of the newspeak. PAint opinions as fact. Amazing how many people latch onto opinions as fact

Are you trying to frame your opinion as fact here?

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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So why do so many bitch about the tax breaks that are defined by law?

You and Brent bitched about it with Tesla, now you are all upset people bitch about it.

This feels very similar to the time you defined "Alarmist".......differently every time.

If you care to look back, you will see I replied to billvons post about Exxon

I only posted a comparison

I have agreed with billvon that all taxbreaks should be pulled

Crow tasting good today?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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Fact: "overwhelmingly successful" is not a fact. That is opinion.

Uhmm no, that is not a fact. If overwhelming succes is defined then it is very much a factual statement.

***Fact: "critical role" is not a fact. That is an opinion.

See above.

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This is part and parcel of the newspeak. PAint opinions as fact. Amazing how many people latch onto opinions as fact

Are you trying to frame your opinion as fact here?

LOL


Good man
keep going after the lawyer on this one

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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SkyDekker

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Fact: "overwhelmingly successful" is not a fact. That is opinion.

Uhmm no, that is not a fact. If overwhelming succes is defined then it is very much a factual statement.

***Fact: "critical role" is not a fact. That is an opinion.

See above.

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This is part and parcel of the newspeak. PAint opinions as fact. Amazing how many people latch onto opinions as fact

Are you trying to frame your opinion as fact here?

"Overwhelming" is opinion. "Critical" is opinion.

It's like saying my wife is hotter than yours. It's opinion. Or that your wife has better judgment on picking a spouse. It's an opinion. I agree, but opinion.

Here's a hint. Is an adverb used? "It was a success." Opinion. "Overwhelming'y successful." Now it's into spin and marketing. "Loans were meant to encourage development of technologies for capture, storage and distribution of solar energy. I believe these goals have been met." Ah. Total fact.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

So no comment on the fact that most loans were successful? (Note lack of adverb)

- Dan G

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DanG

So no comment on the fact that most loans were successful? (Note lack of adverb)

Successful is an adjective. Successful at what?

Look. The F-35 is successful, too. I'll go adverb and say it's extremely successful.

Ask me how I define success. This is exactly what my issue is. I have little reason to believe that national drug policy is successful. Medicare is successful. These are all opinions, of course.

yes, it is parsing. It's like saying that skydiving isn't dangerous. Or saying that skydiving is dangerous. Depending on your parameters, either suggestion is correct.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 388]

AP and Breitbart

[lawrocket 3]

DanG

So no comment on the fact that most loans were successful? (Note lack of adverb)

Okay. My big objection is a site with "fact" written in it. And it's an opinion site.

Even facts can be made into opinions and argument. Example: fact: 3+2 equals 5. Lawyering: 3+2 clearly equals 5. See how the subject can be changed? The tone. It is now argumentative as opposed to a pure fact?

I am so sick of the argumentative stuff being treated as fact. And how often it happens. I think that in most cases people don't know the difference between fact and opinion. Most of it is because people are so egocentric that they cannot separate subjective belief from objective fact.

Fact: the angles of a triangle sum 180 degrees. Fact: the angles of a triangle ca. Sum more that 180 degrees. Both are correct.

But people would fight a out it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Amazon 7]

There has been a few government subsidies in the energy field....

Nukes come to mind as well... not to mention special guarantees if utilities would build them back in IKE's day.

[billvon 2,413]

>Look. The F-35 is successful, too.

Really? Has it made money?

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billvon

>Look. The F-35 is successful, too.

Really? Has it made money?

Yes. For workers in about 40 states.

See what I did? Defoe d success in a subjective way.

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[BartsDaddy 4]

billvon

>Look. The F-35 is successful, too.

Really? Has it made money?

Well I don't know the accounting books on the F-35. I will guess since it is military armement. It is similar to me as a Maintenance mechanic, do I make the company money? No I just spend money, but fire me and see how much production lose they have. My bosses still to this day after 16 years say I am successful to the company. Just if it makes money is not the only metric to if it is successful. If it was I would be starving.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

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AP and Breitbart

Which one? I'm guessing Breitbart, because it was pure opinion.

I'm still waiting for lawrocket to complain about that.

- Dan G

[brenthutch 388]

No dude, it was well-sourced and footnoted. Just because you hate math doesn't mean two plus two does not equal four.

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DanG

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AP and Breitbart

Which one? I'm guessing Breitbart, because it was pure opinion.

I'm still waiting for lawrocket to complain about that.

Breitbart is an example. People buy that spin as fact. I don't mind opinion on opinion sites. Reading an editorial on the editorial page? No problem.

Reading a "factsaboutobama.org" website that lists facts as "obviously worst President ever, always tries to destroy America, truly hates the military, viciously indoctrinates children with Islamocommunism, is lighter skinned than Nixon with a tan" would have me disregard it. Because those aren't facts.

If it was, "hatin-on-Obama.org" then fine. At least it's being honest.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

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No dude, it was well-sourced and footnoted.

Well, dude, if you'd provide a link then people could judge that for themselves.

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Just because you hate math doesn't mean two plus two does not equal four.

Don't tell my boss I hate math, he thinks I'm pretty good at it.

- Dan G