Remster 24 #1 July 17, 2014 http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-ukraine/ [insert joke about Putin just wanting top help find the lost Malaysian plane here]Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #2 July 17, 2014 Ho! shit! Well that's that part of the world being put on all sorts of no-fly lists... and it wouldn't surprise me if that's the catalyst for NATO intervention of some sort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 July 17, 2014 Remsterhttp://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-ukraine/ [insert joke about Putin just wanting top help find the lost Malaysian plane here] The Russian separatists reported capturing BUK missles back months ago. Those have an 18000m effective range. ( various models up to 25000m Over the last few days they have reported with pride the downing of Ukranian AN-26 and an SU25 over eastern Ukraine Saw one report where they had claimed to have shot down yet another Ukranian plane... till it was reported to be the civilian airliner then they back tracked and took down the posts very rapidly. Now they are claiming to only have MANPAD with 4000m capability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #4 July 17, 2014 Not A Mystery Anymore Bad thing is pieces of the wreckage fell into urban areas, and people are jerking the wreckage around, thus contaminating the "Crime Scene" And of course, no one knows anything. Plane was obviously shot down with a SAM.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #5 July 17, 2014 rwiederPlane was obviously shot down with a SAM. No. That is not obvious at all. Believe it or not, aircraft in flight actually do sometimes catastrophically explode all on their own without any outside intervention. It's rare, but it does happen. I am not saying that's the case here, but it is also not obvious that the plane was shot down. That's precisely why an investigation needs to happen.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #6 July 17, 2014 QuotePlane was obviously shot down with a SAM. IMHO. It is my personal belief that is what happened. How's that for a disclaimer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #7 July 17, 2014 rwiederHow's that for a disclaimer? Better, but it is also the path to conspiracy theory. Why even speculate before a credible source can get to the scene and file a preliminary report? BTW, I'm not just blaming you. There are plenty of news sources who initially claimed it was absolutely shot down. Now they're backing off a little, but still, it's just silly without any confirmation whatsoever.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #8 July 17, 2014 IagoI'm going with the assumption it was shot down based on the initial claims of the separatists that they DID shoot it down. Unfortunately they probably thought it was something else. Which is also possible. In 1988, the US mistakenly shot down an Airbus 300, killing almost 300 people, flying from Iran, to Dubai. That said, we (along with the rest of the world) knew it was a mistake almost immediately. In 1983, the Soviet Union shot down a 747, killing about 270 people, on a flight from New York to Korea. Again, the mistake was known almost immediately.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #9 July 17, 2014 Iago******How's that for a disclaimer? Better, but it is also the path to conspiracy theory. Why even speculate before a credible source can get to the scene and file a preliminary report? BTW, I'm not just blaming you. There are plenty of news sources who initially claimed it was absolutely shot down. Now they're backing off a little, but still, it's just silly without any confirmation whatsoever. Which is highly unlikely given that the crash site is in Ukraine. I'm going with the assumption it was shot down based on the initial claims of the separatists that they DID shoot it down. Unfortunately they probably thought it was something else. I'm with you. they were bragging about shooting down a plane then news broke Malaysian Air lost contact with a flight and suddenly the boasting stopped. I suppose there is a chance it just blew up AND the separatists misreported a victory. too much a coincidence for me."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #10 July 17, 2014 The important thing to keep in context with a mistakenly shot down aircraft is even super powers with highly sophisticated radar systems which are designed to be able to distinguish between a real and non-threat have made the same types of mistakes. It's not an excuse by any means, but with great power (in this case the ability to shoot down aircraft) comes lessons from Spider-Man. It's ALSO entirely possible, if this was a shoot down, it was intentional by either side for a number of "reasons" including but not limited to propaganda.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #11 July 17, 2014 Quote I am not saying that's the case here, but it is also not obvious that the plane was shot down. That's precisely why an investigation needs to happen. Just going off of current data, and info currently being reported that the plane was indeed shot down, Paul, you were saying???? Don't be so quick to judge, it just causes one to craw fish later. I still love ya man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #12 July 17, 2014 QuoteThere are probably a few people in the Amsterdam airport that are getting piss drunk right now because they were on standby and the plane filled up. Best airport in the world to get drunk at, if your of the mind to do it. I've flown out of Skiphol a jillion times, really nice air port. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #13 July 17, 2014 rwiederJust going off of current data, and info currently being reported that the plane was indeed shot down,... Says who? Anyone official? Has any official anywhere said so? Remember TWA Flight 800? MANY people initially thought that was a shoot down. We were primed to believe it. That said, it wasn't. You should wait before tossing around words like, "indeed." That's simply not known at this time.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #14 July 17, 2014 QuoteSays who? Anyone official? Has any official anywhere said so? You do watch CNN, right? They're putting on all kinds of military pros, and info on the BUK missle systems as well as threats to use it by two different military factions. SOURCE: U.S. Concludes: Plane Was Shot Down. CH. 202, right now. Go Here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #15 July 17, 2014 I'll have to check that out, but CNN isn't exactly the most credible source when it comes to reporting on Malaysian aircraft problems. When somebody official actually says it . . . sure . . . I'll go with that, but until then, just being "reported" on CNN isn't very definitive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #16 July 17, 2014 Check my last post for added URL. There's also LIVE footage of bombing going on, Israel firing missiles into the West bank, Gaza Strip. Israelis are cheering the attacks. Sad Day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #17 July 17, 2014 QuoteThere's also LIVE footage of bombing going on, Israel firing missiles into the West bank, Gaza Strip. Israelis are cheering the attacks. Different situation entirely.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #18 July 17, 2014 Quote Different situation entirely. No Joke Paul. I merely added that remark to attempt to add some validity to CNN's reporting. No other reason. Nice side-step though. Beats having to say "Maybe you were right Richard??" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #19 July 17, 2014 It's not a "side step." We don't KNOW the situation yet. This is what I've maintained and will continue to do so until there is an actual official report. You don't get "bonus forum points" for guessing right "first." Meanwhile, back to the situation in the Ukraine... The BBC is still taking a more conservative approach to reportage and not saying anything is definitive yet. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #20 July 17, 2014 Even if this report comes from VP Joe Biden?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #21 July 17, 2014 We all know bidens word is worth shit. Remember he was the one advocating for us to blast a few rounds of buckshot out of our shotgun in the air to scare off a criminal. Quote"Kate, if you want to protect yourself, get a double barreled shotgun," Biden responded. "I promise you, as I told my wife, we live in an area that's wooded and somewhat secluded. I said, Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put [up] that double barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house." The vice president said that by firing two shotgun blasts, anyone who might be trying to break in would be scared off. "You don't need an AR-15," he said. "Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!" Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #22 July 17, 2014 rwiederEven if this report comes from VP Joe Biden?? The words Jay Carney hated saying: "What VP Biden MEANT to say was... ".-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #23 July 17, 2014 Well this thread derailed fast. Swing them dicks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #24 July 17, 2014 QuoteThey're putting on all kinds of military pros, Yeah, but to be fair the broadcast media had all kinds of military pro's claiming a backlit airliner contrail was a chinese ballistic missile fired over california, so...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #25 July 17, 2014 >There are probably a few people in the Amsterdam airport that are getting piss >drunk right now because they were on standby and the plane filled up. >Yeech. I get the willies just thinking about that. Another 20 minutes and I would have been on American Airlines flight 11. I drank a lot that week too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
