rushmc 18 #51 February 25, 2013 QuoteSee comments by Rand Paul. Which ones?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #52 February 25, 2013 In my little town the town manager told us we need to increase taxes by 5 mils to cover the bills or every thing was gonna close and the roads would not be fixed... At the town meeting we cut 180,000 dollars and didn't lay off one person or close anything... The roads got plowed... The street lights stayed on... The police were there if called... There were about 50 people at that meeting... We made the front page of the state paper.... I think the head line was... Town people cut and cut .. Balanced budget Jim... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #53 February 26, 2013 Don't want to sound unsympathetic to your position, but welcome to the real world. My uncle has spent his entire working life (30+ years) on oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. He hasn't worked in a year because they can't get drilling permits, no matter what the Obama admin is saying. Another friend of mine is in charge of Gulf operations for a major player, and they haven't received a single permit in over a year from the Obama administration. Oil related revenues used to be a major money stream to the federal government. It's gone way down. Obama is lying his ass off right now. Quote Simply put, im plain english, the sequester is a senseless austerity measure. Austerity doesn't work. No, what doesn't work is the government spending more than it brings in, and doing that for decades. Keynes advocated spending government reserves during down time, not printing money. Do you realize the Fed is buying 80% of government auctions now? The world has stopped buying our debt. You still have a pension? Quote I do not in any way feel entitled to anything but time with my children... Ok, now I've lost any and all sympathy for you. The first 8 years of my children's lives I worked 7 days a week, and I still bust my ass just to pay my bills. You still have a pension??? Time to get connected with what's going on for the vast majority of private employees in America. Again, welcome to the real world. Wish you the best of luck.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #54 February 26, 2013 >Yes. Agreed. This "just cut everything by X% stuff" can be tricky, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #55 February 26, 2013 Quote This "just cut everything by X% stuff" can be tricky, eh? They must cut the built in base line increases. It's amazing how few people know about that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #56 February 26, 2013 Quote>Yes. Agreed. This "just cut everything by X% stuff" can be tricky, eh? Absolutely. It's more of the sequester crap. Just cut. But it doesn't just cut everything. I'll have to take a look and find out what is protected. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #57 February 26, 2013 Obama uses scare tactics to try and reverse his own idea. ........... while blaming it all on the Republicans Quote Obama's Paycheck Exempt From 'Sequester'... http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-s-paycheck-exempted-sequester Quote Big Sis Warning on 'Security'... http://thehill.com/video/administration/284713-napolitano-cuts-will-make-us-more-vulnerable-to-terrorist-attack Quote Illegals 'could flood borders'... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/25/white-house-raises-terror-threat-warns-illegals-co/ and my favorite Quote Homeless will starve... http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/02/25/sequestration-would-starve-meals-on-wheels-in-minn/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #58 February 26, 2013 and let us not forget this one Quote Obama Threatens Cuts to Navy Fleet Over Sequestration http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Budget-Battle/2013/02/26/id/492022"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #59 February 26, 2013 Quote and let us not forget this one Quote Obama Threatens Cuts to Navy Fleet Over Sequestration http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Budget-Battle/2013/02/26/id/492022 Good. Our bloated military is not defense, it's offense, a giant swinging dick, if you will (apologies for the crudeness), that is orders upon orders upon orders of magnitude more than is necessary to keep our daughters safe in their beds. I don't know about you, but I'm more than a little sick of providing the security umbrella for the NATO countries so they can give their citizens national health care while laid-off workers in the US go uninsured. I'm sick of paying for Belgians' health care so that we can pretend we have "defense". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #60 February 26, 2013 Quote Quote and let us not forget this one Quote Obama Threatens Cuts to Navy Fleet Over Sequestration http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Budget-Battle/2013/02/26/id/492022 Good. Our bloated military is not defense, it's offense, a giant swinging dick, if you will (apologies for the crudeness), that is orders upon orders upon orders of magnitude more than is necessary to keep our daughters safe in their beds. I don't know about you, but I'm more than a little sick of providing the security umbrella for the NATO countries so they can give their citizens national health care while laid-off workers in the US go uninsured. I'm sick of paying for Belgians' health care so that we can pretend we have "defense". Hmmm When I first started reading your reply the hair on the back of my neck started to rise but I went through it a couple more times and well You make some valid points For you and I it would come down to what degree But that might be a long long thread"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #61 February 26, 2013 If your family budget were $1000 and you had to cut $23 out of it, what would you eliminate? According to the President, you should stop buying medicine and food for your children and stop buying gas for the car. Sounds about right. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #62 February 26, 2013 Quote If your family budget were $1000 and you had to cut $23 out of it, what would you eliminate? According to the President, you should stop buying medicine and food for your children and stop buying gas for the car. Sounds about right. Actually What we really are looking at is You have a $1000 budget You are about to get a $60 increase But the sequestor "cuts" $23 dollars of the increase What would you put off adding to your budget? Remember however The BIG battle is coming in about a week or two"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #63 February 26, 2013 I get a kick out of people comparing private sector to public sector and try and make it sound like they operate under the same market structure and same market forces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #64 February 26, 2013 QuoteI get a kick out of people comparing private sector to public sector and try and make it sound like they operate under the same market structure and same market forces. Then your ass must be very sore"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #65 February 26, 2013 Actually, it is more my belly...from laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #66 February 26, 2013 QuoteActually, it is more my belly...from laughing. Well I dont think them the same at all The gov is a black hole that only consumes but produces nothing A private sector business can not rob money from others to survive as this bloated government does But, why dont you supply us some of these so called comparisons that make you laugh so hard?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #67 February 26, 2013 Please tell The Honorable Secretary of Interior in a polite way his nose is getting way too long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #68 February 26, 2013 Quote Quote a 50% reduction in Fed employees would be a good start How it come across if someone said that they think you ought to not have your job, that half of the people at your company should just be fired because you don't agree with the way it does business, consequences be damned? Not very nice, I'd say. I already went through a 100% cut from the Fed...back in Sept. 2010. There is a life after the Government, and I'ts a far better life in terms of money. But I was very blessed to have good connections and some mad skills, that I picked up along the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #69 February 26, 2013 Quote Quote Quote and let us not forget this one Quote Obama Threatens Cuts to Navy Fleet Over Sequestration http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Budget-Battle/2013/02/26/id/492022 Good. Our bloated military is not defense, it's offense, a giant swinging dick, if you will (apologies for the crudeness), that is orders upon orders upon orders of magnitude more than is necessary to keep our daughters safe in their beds. I don't know about you, but I'm more than a little sick of providing the security umbrella for the NATO countries so they can give their citizens national health care while laid-off workers in the US go uninsured. I'm sick of paying for Belgians' health care so that we can pretend we have "defense". Hmmm When I first started reading your reply the hair on the back of my neck started to rise but I went through it a couple more times and well You make some valid points For you and I it would come down to what degree But that might be a long long thread You see, Marc, the national health care of 100 million Europeans and other US allies is being subsidzed out of YOUR WALLET! Because for every buck of YOUR taxes that covers the US contribution to the security umbrella over the home of someone living in Brussels or Tokyo (what the hell do you think our aircraft carrier task forces are for?), that's one buck of their own tax money the Belgians and Japanese DON'T have to pay for their own defense, so that Belgian or Japanese buck is freed-up to be invested into a National Health Care that EVERY SINGLE ONE of our allies has, but the US does not. Belgians and Brits and Aussies and Japanese don't lose their family's health insurance when they get laid off at age 45; only Americans do. And this is why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #70 February 26, 2013 QuoteQuoteStop doing the estreme argument thing Does not work here as it has been tried by too many This coming from someone who just a little while ago inferred that the government has gone wild and has breached the boundaries set forth in the constitution?!? You sound like one of the right wingnuts who are afraid of their blessed guns being taken away, who scream "down with the government" and "cut everything, as long as I still get my medicare, defense contracts, and nuclear missiles." Don't call me the extreme one here... I'm not trying to make the government so small that I can drown it in a bathtub. Reading your post is somewhat frustrating. Stop living in fear man. Get a hold of yourself, and put on your big boy pants. If you get the boot, there are millions of your fellow countrymen that are waiting to greet you in the unemployment line. You will be welcomed there with open arms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #71 February 26, 2013 Quote If you get the boot, there are millions of your fellow countrymen that are waiting to greet you in the unemployment line. You will be welcomed there with open arms. All the better to cook and eat him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swisschris62 0 #72 February 26, 2013 ] How it come across if someone said that they think you ought to not have your job, that half of the people at your company should just be fired because you don't agree with the way it does business, consequences be damned? Not very nice, I'd say. So if I was running an over bloated company that was constantly operating in the red and you were working at an efficient profitable company down the road you wouldn't mind if my company kept its hand in your pocket and was continually asking for more without making improvements or becoming more efficient? As long as we are playing nice what's a little give and take amongst friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #73 February 26, 2013 QuoteYou see, Marc, the national health care of 100 million Europeans and other US allies is being subsidzed out of YOUR WALLET! Because for every buck of YOUR taxes that covers the US contribution to the security umbrella over the home of someone living in Brussels or Tokyo (what the hell do you think our aircraft carrier task forces are for?), that's one buck of their own tax money the Belgians and Japanese DON'T have to pay for their own defense, so that Belgian or Japanese buck is freed-up to be invested into a National Health Care that EVERY SINGLE ONE of our allies has, but the US does not. Belgians and Brits and Aussies and Japanese don't lose their family's health insurance when they get laid off at age 45; only Americans do. And this is why. acknowledgment that someone has to pay for it - zero sum game - this is great but it's so much easier to understand (us) when the benefits go to other countries (vs them) than just, another state, or to your neighbor via social programs, etc etc etc. (example - every deduction allowed means those that don't take the deduction are paying more to take up the slack. mortgage deductions, tax incentives, exemptions, etc etc etc - get rid of them all) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #74 February 26, 2013 Quote (example - every deduction allowed means those that don't take the deduction are paying more to take up the slack. mortgage deductions, tax incentives, exemptions, etc etc etc - get rid of them all) Agreed. And no special treatment for one source of income over another (like hedge fund managers only pay 15%).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #75 February 26, 2013 QuoteQuote (example - every deduction allowed means those that don't take the deduction are paying more to take up the slack. mortgage deductions, tax incentives, exemptions, etc etc etc - get rid of them all) Agreed. And no special treatment for one source of income over another (like hedge fund managers only pay 15%). agreed - flat rate, starting at dollar number 1. all income is income. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
