NOAA report: 2012 Global average temp's, 2nd lowest in this century!

[brenthutch 383]

From NOAA:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/13

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Talk about selection bias!

Nice going misrepresenting the data.

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So much hot air from web forums

[brenthutch 383]

Hey I am just passing on what climate scientists are saying.

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and I'm over here trying to warm the climate...one chipote burrito at a time.

[jakee 1,254]

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From NOAA:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/13

The point you've just made is pretty much the exact opposite of the one you wanted to (but of course you knew that anyway). From your link "The year 2012 was the 10th warmest year since records began in 1880."

If it was the 10th warmest year in the last 132, but the second coldest in the last 12... can you figure out what that means?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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If it was the 10th warmest year in the last 132, but the second coldest in the last 12... can you figure out what that means?

The recent trend is a bit slow?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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and I'm over here trying to warm the climate...one chipote burrito at a time.

That'll raise the noxious gas level! You just might wipe-out the entire 0-zone single-handedly!


Chuck

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It must be all those hybrid vehicles on the road slowing the trend these past 12 years. Which means we must be doing the right thing. We need more hybrid vehicles on the road!!!

Thanks brenthutch for pointing this out to us.

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To be fair, there is some disagreement among scientists about this.

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US scientists say that 2012 was the among the 10 warmest the world has experienced since 1880.

Researchers from Nasa said it was the ninth warmest year while experts from another American agency said it was the tenth.

Count on those American scientists to muddy the waters.

You don't have to outrun the bear.

[brenthutch 383]

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It must be all those hybrid vehicles on the road slowing the trend these past 12 years. Which means we must be doing the right thing. We need more hybrid vehicles on the road!!!

Thanks brenthutch for pointing this out to us.

You are right, Obama has already solved the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tuAJkbUWU

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>Obama has already solved the problem.

Obama - the best president this century.

[brenthutch 383]

All joking aside, don't you think it is a good thing that global warming is not the big deal some thought it was just a few years ago? Remember when James Hanson (a NASA scientist and climate EXPERT) http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/jim-hansen-obama said that Obama had just 4 years to save the planet? He said "Cap-and-trade schemes, in which emission permits are bought and sold, have failed, he said, and must now be replaced by a carbon tax that will imposed on all producers of fossil fuels" Some on this forum advocated rash action, I urged a more rational course of having the courage to do nothing. I am glad that Obama agreed with me. Four years latter you "chicken little" types all look a bit silly.

[jakee 1,254]

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All joking aside, don't you think it is a good thing that global warming is not the big deal some thought it was just a few years ago? Remember when James Hanson (a NASA scientist and climate EXPERT) said that Obama had just 4 years to save the planet? ... Four years latter you "chicken little" types all look a bit silly.

Hansen didn't say in that interview that global warming would have destroyed the world in 4 years. He wasn't saying that it would have caused catastrophic changes in weather, sea-level etc by now. His point would be that Obama wasn't guaranteed a second term, and if he didn't get one then the next guy probably wouldn't care.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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If it was the 10th warmest year in the last 132, but the second coldest in the last 12... can you figure out what that means?

The recent trend is a bit slow?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

I just read the wife part and it made perfect sense!

[brenthutch 383]

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All joking aside, don't you think it is a good thing that global warming is not the big deal some thought it was just a few years ago? Remember when James Hanson (a NASA scientist and climate EXPERT) said that Obama had just 4 years to save the planet? ... Four years latter you "chicken little" types all look a bit silly.

His point would be that Obama wasn't guaranteed a second term, and if he didn't get one then the next guy probably wouldn't care.

Nowhere in his entire interview did he say any such thing. He did, however say, "The world was now in "imminent peril" Four years ago, LOL

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Nowhere in his entire interview did he say any such thing.

He didn't spell it out, but when he said this "We have to get on a new path within this new administration. We have only four years left for Obama to set an example to the rest of the world." he probably expected you to be able to figure it out. It's not difficult.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[brenthutch 383]

What did he mean four years ago when he said "The world was now in imminent peril"

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Nowhere in his entire interview did he say any such thing.

He didn't spell it out, but when he said this "We have to get on a new path within this new administration. We have only four years left for Obama to set an example to the rest of the world." he probably expected you to be able to figure it out. It's not difficult.

Well here is what Hansen is saying now:

"In a paper published Tuesday, no less an authority than NASA scientist James E. Hansen wrote, “The 5-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slowdown in the growth rate of the net climate forcing.” Mr. Hansen is the intellectual godfather of the global-warming movement who advised Al Gore on his Oscar-winning climate-scare flick, “An Inconvenient Truth.” Mr. Hansen has just acknowledged more than the lack of warming. His words confirm nature, not mankind, played the decisive role in directing global temperatures over the past 10 years."

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Nowhere in his entire interview did he say any such thing.

He didn't spell it out, but when he said this "We have to get on a new path within this new administration. We have only four years left for Obama to set an example to the rest of the world." he probably expected you to be able to figure it out. It's not difficult.

Well here is what Hansen is saying now:

"In a paper published Tuesday, no less an authority than NASA scientist James E. Hansen wrote, “The 5-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slowdown in the growth rate of the net climate forcing.” Mr. Hansen is the intellectual godfather of the global-warming movement who advised Al Gore on his Oscar-winning climate-scare flick, “An Inconvenient Truth.” Mr. Hansen has just acknowledged more than the lack of warming. His words confirm nature, not mankind, played the decisive role in directing global temperatures over the past 10 years."

© Copyright 2013 The Washington Times,

National Enquirer your next authoritative source?

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Source:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130115_Temperature2012.pdf

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 383]

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Nowhere in his entire interview did he say any such thing.

He didn't spell it out, but when he said this "We have to get on a new path within this new administration. We have only four years left for Obama to set an example to the rest of the world." he probably expected you to be able to figure it out. It's not difficult.

Well here is what Hansen is saying now:

"In a paper published Tuesday, no less an authority than NASA scientist James E. Hansen wrote, “The 5-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slowdown in the growth rate of the net climate forcing.” Mr. Hansen is the intellectual godfather of the global-warming movement who advised Al Gore on his Oscar-winning climate-scare flick, “An Inconvenient Truth.” Mr. Hansen has just acknowledged more than the lack of warming. His words confirm nature, not mankind, played the decisive role in directing global temperatures over the past 10 years."

© Copyright 2013 The Washington Times,

National Enquirer your next authoritative source?

Source:
http://www.columbia.edu/..._Temperature2012.pdf

Oh Snap! What are you going to do now June Bug?
All kidding aside, I present you with facts from your own high priests. (NOAA and Jim Hanson) All you can do is question my reading comprehension? Why cant you provide a cogent defense of your religion, (oops I am sorry) your position?

[brenthutch 383]

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Nowhere in his entire interview did he say any such thing.

He didn't spell it out, but when he said this "We have to get on a new path within this new administration. We have only four years left for Obama to set an example to the rest of the world." he probably expected you to be able to figure it out. It's not difficult.

Well here is what Hansen is saying now:

"In a paper published Tuesday, no less an authority than NASA scientist James E. Hansen wrote, “The 5-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slowdown in the growth rate of the net climate forcing.” Mr. Hansen is the intellectual godfather of the global-warming movement who advised Al Gore on his Oscar-winning climate-scare flick, “An Inconvenient Truth.” Mr. Hansen has just acknowledged more than the lack of warming. His words confirm nature, not mankind, played the decisive role in directing global temperatures over the past 10 years."

© Copyright 2013 The Washington Times,

National Enquirer your next authoritative source?

Source:
http://www.columbia.edu/..._Temperature2012.pdf

Oh Snap! What are you going to do now June Bug?
All kidding aside, I present you with facts from your own high priests. (NOAA and Jim Hanson) All you can do is question my reading comprehension? Why cant you provide a cogent defense of your religion, (oops I am sorry) your position?

Bump Kallend.

[kallend 1,623]

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Source:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130115_Temperature2012.pdf

Thank you for showing how Brenthutch and the Washington Times cherry picked sentences.

Here's some more from the source:

Global surface temperature in 2012 was +0.56°C (1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980
base period average, despite much of the year being affected by a strong La Nina. Global temperature
thus continues at a high level that is sufficient to cause a substantial increase in the frequency of extreme
warm anomalies. The 5-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade, which we interpret as a
combination of natural variability and a slowdown in the growth rate of the net climate forcing.
An update through 2012 of our global analysis
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(Fig. 1) reveals 2012 as having practically the
same temperature as 2011, significantly lower than the maximum reached in 2010. These short-term
global fluctuations are associated principally with natural oscillations of tropical Pacific sea surface
temperatures summarized in the Nino index in the lower part of the figure. 2012 is nominally the 9th warmest year, but it is indistinguishable in rank with several other years, as shown by the error estimate
for comparing nearby years. Note that the 10 warmest years in the record all occurred since 1998.

Now, counselor, wasn't it YOU who pointed out the importance of the oscillations in interpreting arctic sea ice data?

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[brenthutch 383]

The point you are missing is that Hansen is now admitting; that natural variability trumps anthropomorphic forcings. Remember when the only cause for the warming was man-made? There was no natural way the planet could have warmed so suddenly, it was man-made CO2. Now that the warming has stopped, and even reversed, natural causes come into play. There are no natural ways for the planet to warm, just natural ways for the planet to cool. The climate models that you once ballyhooded have now been proven wrong. Like I said they would be, four years ago.