wmw999 2,123 #76 November 5, 2012 QuoteIt was, in my opinon, in too far to start with. Now it is in even further But I am not taling about emergency care, I am talking about regulations beyond that No, our hc system is not perfect. I think it could be much better with fewer regulations (notice I said fewer, not no regulation) Yes, segregation was and remains a rights issue. A cut and dried humans treating humans issue. Not an issue of government control. Schools You seem to think that local school control would be bad for children. I do not. But the feds want control. The reasons are self evident BTW, do you thinks ethics as defined by Christians is bad?How is the government into healthcare in bad ways right now? What regulations in healthcare show the government going in too far (since you're excluding emergency care) If humans treat humans unfairly (e.g. local school boards saying that blacks should have different schools, or that all hispanics have to prove that they are citizens before they can attend), should the government be involved? As far as ethics as defined by Christians, I think that even Christians disagree on some of them. To a Pentecostalist, women shouldn't cut their hair. UCC believe that gays should have full participation in all facets of church life. Some churches don't believe that women should have any position of power of any men. And people who believe only in the King James Version might have an issue with a school pulling wording out of the Revised Standard Version. And, well -- does that mean that children who are Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan, atheist, etc -- are they excluded? Unfettered local control is just as bad as unfettered government power. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #77 November 5, 2012 >In your name, what charity do you want it sent to? Either Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) or Doctors Without Borders, your choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #78 November 5, 2012 Quote>In your name, what charity do you want it sent to? Either Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) or Doctors Without Borders, your choice. Done If you win I make sure you get the reciept"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #79 November 5, 2012 I think Obama will take it with about 290 electoral votes. He's going to take Ohio and Wisconsin to cancel out Florida for Romney. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #80 November 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt was, in my opinon, in too far to start with. Now it is in even further But I am not taling about emergency care, I am talking about regulations beyond that No, our hc system is not perfect. I think it could be much better with fewer regulations (notice I said fewer, not no regulation) Yes, segregation was and remains a rights issue. A cut and dried humans treating humans issue. Not an issue of government control. Schools You seem to think that local school control would be bad for children. I do not. But the feds want control. The reasons are self evident BTW, do you thinks ethics as defined by Christians is bad?How is the government into healthcare in bad ways right now? What regulations in healthcare show the government going in too far (since you're excluding emergency care) If humans treat humans unfairly (e.g. local school boards saying that blacks should have different schools, or that all hispanics have to prove that they are citizens before they can attend), should the government be involved? As far as ethics as defined by Christians, I think that even Christians disagree on some of them. To a Pentecostalist, women shouldn't cut their hair. UCC believe that gays should have full participation in all facets of church life. Some churches don't believe that women should have any position of power of any men. And people who believe only in the King James Version might have an issue with a school pulling wording out of the Revised Standard Version. And, well -- does that mean that children who are Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan, atheist, etc -- are they excluded? Unfettered local control is just as bad as unfettered government power. Wendy P. Just removing the mandates states require insurance compaies to have would make a big difference And again Wendy I have never, at any point, advocated for unfettered controls Just limiting the controls to those defined in the Constitution"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #81 November 5, 2012 QuoteI think Obama will take it with about 290 electoral votes. He's going to take Ohio and Wisconsin to cancel out Florida for Romney. Lots of people agree with you Dick Morris thinks otherwise He has a good track record too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #82 November 5, 2012 >Gays have all the same rights today Marrige is not a right Funny, the conservatives of the 1950's used similar arguments to ban interracial marriage; they claimed that it wasn't a rights issue, it was simple morality. It took a Supreme Court decision to overturn that. Which proves Wendy's point - racial segregation was something that the government did have to take on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #83 November 5, 2012 Quote>Gays have all the same rights today Marrige is not a right Funny, the conservatives of the 1950's used similar arguments to ban interracial marriage; they claimed that it wasn't a rights issue, it was simple morality. It took a Supreme Court decision to overturn that. Which proves Wendy's point - racial segregation was something that the government did have to take on. The point being is racial segregation and marriage are nothing alike"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,123 #84 November 5, 2012 Schools and healthcare aren't mentioned in the Constitution. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #85 November 5, 2012 Quote Marrige is not a right Neither is voting for President (check the Constitution). So please stay home.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #86 November 5, 2012 QuoteSchools and healthcare aren't mentioned in the Constitution. Wendy P. Exactly It also states that those powers not specifically enumerated are left to the states"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #87 November 5, 2012 QuoteQuote Marrige is not a right Neither is voting for President (check the Constitution). So please stay home. So you would disenfranchise someone base on views Go figure BTW Already voted"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,123 #88 November 5, 2012 I see what you're saying here. I wish we'd gotten there sooner. If the state or city or school board enacts something that goes against the Constitution (e.g. says that schoolchildren are required to say Christian prayers, when the Constitution says that no laws shall be made respecting a particular religion), isn't that where the feds come in? Or should they just ignore that? wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #89 November 5, 2012 QuoteI see what you're saying here. I wish we'd gotten there sooner. If the state or city or school board enacts something that goes against the Constitution (e.g. says that schoolchildren are required to say Christian prayers, when the Constitution says that no laws shall be made respecting a particular religion), isn't that where the feds come in? Or should they just ignore that? wendy P. If the Constitution is violated then of course the DOJ comes in But there should not be a Federal Dept of Education controling the money as it does today"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #90 November 5, 2012 >The point being is racial segregation and marriage are nothing alike Preventing interracial couples from getting married based on conservative morality has nothing to do with preventing gay couples from getting married based on conservative morality? Interesting opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #91 November 5, 2012 278-262 Obama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #92 November 5, 2012 I don't know what the count will be, or if we'll even know by Wednesday morning. But I predict that almost half of the country will be really pissed off when we do find out who wins the election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #93 November 5, 2012 Quote I don't know what the count will be, or if we'll even know by Wednesday morning. But I predict that almost half of the country will be really pissed off when we do find out who wins the election. The great thing about the EC is that it is possible that just over half the county can be pissed off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #94 November 5, 2012 Quote The Sun will rise on Wednesday morning, people will go to work, and the Earth will continue to rotate on its axis. I'm unable to find any polling to determine if your prediction is correct? Deep down inside, I think you might be right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajorDad 0 #95 November 5, 2012 Americans will get the goverment they deserve.... Skydivers are not the only dysfunctional family around PS - Obama --> 300-305 with a Republican Congress and a Democratic Senate. Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #96 November 5, 2012 QuoteIf the state or city or school board enacts something that goes against the Constitution (e.g. says that schoolchildren are required to say Christian prayers, when the Constitution says that no laws shall be made respecting a particular religion), isn't that where the feds come in? Or should they just ignore that? First it becomes a local issue. Then if that doesn't work a state issue. If that doesn't work then it's a federal issue. The federal issue being, "There's this Constitution thingy and you have to live by it." That doesn't mean the president shutting down the school. But it may mean a federal court injunction preventing it, if the state court doesn't do something. Either way, it's almost always private citizens seeking redress, not public servants moving in. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,123 #97 November 5, 2012 Isn't that the way it usually works? And if someone asks that Federal bureaucracy how they might rule, is it wrong for them to indicate? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #98 November 5, 2012 Quote Quote I don't know what the count will be, or if we'll even know by Wednesday morning. But I predict that almost half of the country will be really pissed off when we do find out who wins the election. The great thing about the EC is that it is possible that just over half the county can be pissed off. True..... But I was thinking that not every voter will be pissed off if his/her candidate loses. I ended up voting for Johnson, who definitely won't win. I prefer Obama over Romney, and my state (CA) will likely go to Obama despite my vote. But I won't be pissed off if Romney wins, though I feel like I'm in the minority there. There seems to be so much vitriol toward each of the candidates from each opposing side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #99 November 5, 2012 The Law Suits will last two weeks, and we still won't "know". MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #100 November 5, 2012 QuoteI predict <270 for Romney. BTW Thanks for your post This was all I was really after One of the reasons I feel as I do is represented by the CNN poll that shows Romnew winning independants 59% to 35% It seems that in past elections it has all been about who gets the independants Have not heard much about them year Curious"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
