Israeli Taliban

[Andrewwhyte 1]

It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Israelis-protest-against-religious-coercion-2426305.php

[muff528 3]

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It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Israelis-protest-against-religious-coercion-2426305.php

Extremists are extremists. I say we kill them all and ask questions later.

[skinnay 0]

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It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Israelis-protest-against-religious-coercion-2426305.php

Extremists are extremists. I say we kill them all and ask questions later.

That's very extremist of you!

[muff528 3]

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It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Israelis-protest-against-religious-coercion-2426305.php

Extremists are extremists. I say we kill them all and ask questions later.

That's very extremist of you!

In that case, all except me.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Israelis-protest-against-religious-coercion-2426305.php

Extremists are extremists. I say we kill them all and ask questions later.

That's very extremist of you!

I prefer to think of it in Kantian terms.

[JohnRich 4]

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It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.

If only we were so lucky as to have muslim extremists that only resort to yelling and spitting...

[Andy9o8 0]

I'll bet the extremists are doing this because they've got her mom confused with Sarah Jessica Parker.

[Remster 24]

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It isn't just the Muslim world that lives in fear of their own extremists.

If only we were so lucky as to have muslim extremists that only resort to yelling and spitting...

... Throwing rocks...

Remster

[Guest]

Yup.

Whilst in Jerusalem back in June, I was warned not to drive into the Haredim neighborhoods, because they throw rocks at cars (for violation of the Sabbath).

They also throw rocks at Palestinian kids just walking to school (the "settlements" are occupied by Haredim). It's not enough to take the land away, they have to add humiliation and abuse to it as well.

The Haredim (Ultra-Orthodox) make the Hassidim (Orthodox) look like hardcore atheists. Scary.

Link: Israeli girl attacked by Haredim

Link: Haredim attack news crew

Edit to add: guess it was okay as long as only Palestinians were the ones suffering abuse from these goons. It's about time the rest of the Israeli population took notice.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Skyrad 0]

ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists, why would the Jews would be exempt?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[DougH 270]

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ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists, why would the Jews would be exempt?

X2...

I loathe extremists from all walks of religion.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[shah269 0]

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a community of modern Orthodox Jewish residents, many of them American immigrants.

What kind of a dumb ass moves into a war zone?

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Beit Shemesh's growing ultra-Orthodox population has erected street signs calling for the separation of sexes on the sidewalks, dispatched "modesty patrols" to enforce a chaste female appearance and hurled stones at offenders and outsiders. Walls of the neighborhood are plastered with signs exhorting women to dress modestly in closed-necked, long-sleeved blouses and long skirts.

Where are these guys from Iran?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Guest]

I found out today that I was misinformed about the Haredim with respect to the occupation of the settlements.

It seems that the Haredim are "anti-zionists" in that they do not subscribe to the political notion of "Greater Israel", whereas the Zionists do. That's why the Haredim are in Jerusalem and not occupying Palestine. You see, the Haredim are so hardcore that they are apparently against the state of Israel itself (it must not be established until the messiah comes).

So it's the Orthodox (Hassidim) who are occupying the settlements, and throwing rocks at Palestinian kids walking to school (and also at independent witnesses and observers, who escort the Palestinian kids), not the Ultra-Orthodox (Haredim).

Whew - glad that's cleared up.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Andrewwhyte 1]

The "We're way crazier than you" club.

[Marinus 0]

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ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists,

Personally I think that's an easy cop out. The ratio of violent nut jobs and extremists varies wildly between the different religions.

[Andy9o8 0]

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ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists,

Personally I think that's an easy cop out. The ratio of violent nut jobs and extremists varies wildly between the different religions.

The Amish would cut your f$%&#g beard from ear to ear as soon as they'd look at you. Don't mess with them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/21/us-crime-amish-idUSTRE7BK0AH20111221

[muff528 3]

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ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists,

Personally I think that's an easy cop out. The ratio of violent nut jobs and extremists varies wildly between the different religions.

Let's not forget the grandaddy of all mass killer groups ....the atheists. From the 20th c. Soviets to the commie Chinese, Cambodia and Pol Pot, North Korea. Can't leave out the the banana republic murderers like Che, Castro, and Chavez. Plenty of African despots could be included. Even Saddam and his spent WMDs might fit into this group. I include the African murderers and Hussein because I don't think their motivations were necessarily religious.

[Andy9o8 0]

Wow, I always wondered why we called them "Godless Communists" back in the day. Hey, thanks for clearing that up.

OK, to the point: Do you really think people can't distinguish ideological despots who use anti-religion as a weapon of convenience from "atheists"? Your argument is hopelessly weak.

[Skyrad 0]

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ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists,

Personally I think that's an easy cop out. The ratio of violent nut jobs and extremists varies wildly between the different religions.

Ones perception of the extremists varies according to many factors, the size of the religion, the politics and predominant religion of the country in which one lives and of course the spin the media puts on each group of extremists and their actions.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Marinus 0]

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Even Saddam and his spent WMDs might fit into this group. I include the African murderers and Hussein because I don't think their motivations were necessarily religious.

So that's how it works, huh, every crime that isn't religiously motivated is an atheistic crime? But anyway, I don't think their motivations were atheistic either. "There is no (reason to believe there is a) God" doesn't give people a lot of motivation to kill others. But anyway, I was thinking of Jainism as an example of a peaceful religion, not necessarily atheism, which isn't a religion to begin with. It isn't even a moral system, it's just an (ir)religious stance.

Even if I was an atheist, which I am not, I have a different ethical system than Stalin, so well, why would I care that he also didn't believe in God? Do you feel responsible because the Mayans ripped the still beating hearts out of living people on top of there pyramids? They were theists just like you, (I presume.)

So while atheist, just like theists, consist of a varied group with different, often conflicting ethical systems, you have to look for something else: all those mass murderers were anti-religious communists for example. I'm more of a secular humanist. So if you want to piss me of, slam me over the head with a secular humanist megalomanic mass-murderer.

[Skyrad 0]

ALL religions have their extremists.

http://jainsamachar.blogspot.com/2008/12/jain-nuns-support-hindu-terrorism.html

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Marinus 0]

I never denied that, I only claimed that some religions are more violent than others.

But don't worry, I also acknowledge that the violence is (almost?) always perpetrated by a minority, and that the majority rejects it. I just refuse to conform to that PC crap that claims that all religions are equally violent, which is obviously not true.

Also, while religion is seldom the only motivation for violence, there's giant differences between the usefulness of the different religions to condone the violence. In case of Jainism: it rejects violence, including violence against animals and sometimes even violence against plants.

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ALL religions have their nut jobs and extremists,

Personally I think that's an easy cop out. The ratio of violent nut jobs and extremists varies wildly between the different religions.

Let's not forget the grandaddy of all mass killer groups ....the atheists. From the 20th c. Soviets to the commie Chinese, Cambodia and Pol Pot, North Korea. Can't leave out the the banana republic murderers like Che, Castro, and Chavez. Plenty of African despots could be included. Even Saddam and his spent WMDs might fit into this group. I include the African murderers and Hussein because I don't think their motivations were necessarily religious.

Communism is but a religion of the most toxic variety.

[JohnRich 4]

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Do you really think people can't distinguish ideological despots who use anti-religion as a weapon of convenience from "atheists"?

There are plenty of religion-haters here who brand all religious people as dangerous because of the actions of a few extremists. This line on atheist violence is just the shoe being on the other foot.

How's it fit?

For those who don't like being incorrectly characterized just because you're an atheist, then don't do the same thing to other people just because they're religious.

[Andy9o8 0]

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Do you really think people can't distinguish ideological despots who use anti-religion as a weapon of convenience from "atheists"?

There are plenty of religion-haters here who brand all religious people as dangerous because of the actions of a few extremists. This line on atheist violence is just the shoe being on the other foot.

How's it fit?

For those who don't like being incorrectly characterized just because you're an atheist, then don't do the same thing to other people just because they're religious.

John, your not infrequent use of the catch-all term "gun-o-phobes" to vilify a remarkably large swath of the population prompts me to recall the biblical passage about first removing the beam from one's own eye.