wmw999 2,147 #26 October 10, 2011 QuoteSomething happens in a secret cabal and then you find out the results and your punishment.That sounds like a description of jury deliberations, doesn't it. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 October 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteSomething happens in a secret cabal and then you find out the results and your punishment.That sounds like a description of jury deliberations, doesn't it. No. Jury instructions are part of the court record. And after the trial, we commonly see interviews of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #28 October 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Your point is ..... ? Do you need me to tell you how to think? Surely not - that's something I know quite well I'm no mind reader, so: Your point to post that link was again what ... ? You don't have to be a mind reader - just have some basic reading and thinking skills. Here's a clue for you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poll See #5. Do you have an opinion, or not? If you do, offer it. If not, go away. And your "opinion" has beeen shown where, again? You don't have one. Like usual. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #29 October 10, 2011 QuoteMy question to you is this...What could you possibly know about their culture???? My question to you is, what the fuck does it matter? "Culture" is not a valid reason for crushing freedom of speech and expression, or forcefully silencing anti-government sentiment.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #30 October 10, 2011 QuoteSo I take it you approve of whatever punishment Iran wants to inflict, upon whomever they choose, for whatever reason? You would be correct in making that statement. You still remind me of Joe McCarthy, his legacy is being the nation's underappreciated & underpaid policeman. He lived to be a pain in the dick. Reminds me of someone else.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #31 October 10, 2011 Quote Just because we've met before doesn't mean that you "know" me. You don't, and you should quit pretending to. You should also quit pretending to know what I know and what I don't know. Calm down. I hate to hear a grown man whine. Go back in this thread and see how many arguements you've been in. That says volumes about you. I could care less about what's on you're mind, what you think, know, don't know etc...So don't flatter yourself by thinking anything about anything. Your just a gripy old coot. -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #32 October 10, 2011 Have you ever looked at what the US backed judicial system of Afghanistan does? http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260050/america-quiet-execution-afghan-christian-said-musa-paul-marshall Perhaps we should first worry about what our tax dollars finance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #33 October 10, 2011 QuoteI'm reluctant to get int a debate on culture vs religion. Why not, this is a quarantine area for all the explosive discussions, isn't it? QuoteMy God, the religophobes already have waaaay to many soap boxes on waaaay too many street corners here. Mostly thanks to the outrageous behaviour a lot of the "religophiles exhibit. I'm not a religophobe, but I'm happy religion seems to go extinct where I'm from. QuoteYes, I would imagine. Quite like any, and probably all, other countries. Sure it's everywhere the same, but I think more the same in Iran then most other countries that aren't in a civil war or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #34 October 10, 2011 QuoteQuote The hypocrisy meter flew off the scale. What outsiders think about the criminal justice system in Texas doesn't seem to bother you one little bit, but you feel entitled to comment on Iran's. Meh. Don't think I know of any examples in Texas where someone was put in jail for a year for a performance that mocked Governor Parry. Just as well or the jails would be full.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #35 October 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteMy question to you is this...What could you possibly know about their culture???? My question to you is, what the fuck does it matter? "Culture" is not a valid reason for crushing freedom of speech and expression, or forcefully silencing anti-government sentiment. Thank you, jakee. Short and to the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #36 October 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo I take it you approve of whatever punishment Iran wants to inflict, upon whomever they choose, for whatever reason? You would be correct in making that statement. You still remind me of Joe McCarthy, his legacy is being the nation's underappreciated & underpaid policeman. He lived to be a pain in the dick. Reminds me of someone else. Okay, so I won't put you in the column under "humanitarian". Your name will appear in the columns for "supporters of tyranical dictators", and "looks the other way when people are lashed and imprisoned for simply expressing themselves". Personal insult noted. QuoteQuoteJust because we've met before doesn't mean that you "know" me. You don't, and you should quit pretending to. You should also quit pretending to know what I know and what I don't know. Calm down. I hate to hear a grown man whine. Go back in this thread and see how many arguements you've been in. That says volumes about you. I could care less about what's on you're mind, what you think, know, don't know etc... So don't flatter yourself by thinking anything about anything. Your just a gripy old coot. Ah yes, accusing your opposition of being "upset/emotional/irrational" and "whining", and more personal insults. It's the last tactic of a weak mind with no good argument. If you behave as usual, your next post will be to remind me how you settle scores mano y mano, and how your nickname is "quickdraw" for good reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #37 October 11, 2011 Quotethe topic is Iran. Off track is Texas. Hmmmmm....so you wrote: QuoteMore bullshit is trying to deflect the subject to past failures in the Texas justice process..... You may want to take note that Kallend's post, and my response to him, was about Texans....not Iran. Yes, the thread evolved to Texas issues and that was the point of discussion at the time. QuoteNow a perfect example of BS is the tractorful you shoveled in post #14, saying that we can't criticize another culture for its suppression of speech. Well, kelpy, if you go back and re-read that post, you'll see that there was no mention whatsoever saying, "we can't criticize another culture". Reading between the lines often misleads one into making false representations. QuoteThis is laugh out loud stupid. Nice. So, you can't discuss with out the absurdities? Nice. People often resort to that type of thing when they have nothing meaningful to say. If you'll re-read #14 properly, as written, you'll see my stance on these types of issues very neatly packaged....quite plain and to the point.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #38 October 11, 2011 Quote Quote I'm reluctant to get int a debate on culture vs religion. Why not, this is a quarantine area for all the explosive discussions, isn't it? BOOOM! Quote Quote My God, the religophobes already have waaaay to many soap boxes on waaaay too many street corners here. Mostly thanks to the outrageous behaviour a lot of the "religophiles exhibit. I'm not a religophobe, but I'm happy religion seems to go extinct where I'm from. I agree there are some really wacko nuts out there using religion for self-gratification. Can we say the same for the anti-religious also? Yes, of course. Quote Quote Yes, I would imagine. Quite like any, and probably all, other countries. Sure it's everywhere the same, but I think more the same in Iran then most other countries that aren't in a civil war or something. And I would agree with that in general terms except that I would say "many" instead of "most".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #39 October 11, 2011 Quote"Culture" is not a valid reason for crushing freedom of speech and expression, or forcefully silencing anti-government sentiment. I'd be interested in knowing two things: 1. Exactly what your definition is, and feelings are, for just what "Culture" is. 2. Do you have some reasons that would be valid for crushing freedom of speech and expression, or forcefully silencing anti-government sentiment? Thanks in advance.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #40 October 11, 2011 QuoteI'd be interested in knowing two things: 1. Exactly what your definition is, and feelings are, for just what "Culture" is. That'd take the kind of essay I was barely willing to write in college, let alone for an internet forum, so I'll just stick with what some guy said about art and porn - "I know it when I see it". Fr a better answer why not ask rweider? He brought it up int the first place. Quote2. Do you have some reasons that would be valid for crushing freedom of speech and expression, or forcefully silencing anti-government sentiment? Not off the top of my head. You?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #41 October 11, 2011 QuoteFr a better answer why not ask rweider? He brought it up int the first place. No matter what we believe, why we believe it we wouldn't allow another country to just waltz in the US Of A and commence telling us what we could & couldn't do, how we must live and treat our people. Just as it's our business how we run our country, other countries in the world have the same right. It doesn't matter if we like it or not. This is just a matter of fact You can complain about it, you can dissagree with it, but you aint gonna change it. You know young female genital alteration in Africa really disturbs me. Having said that, it's none of my affair. The USA being the world's policeman has costs us over 3/4 trillion dollars in the last 10 years, what have we actually accomplished? And we wonder why the nation is broke and everyone hates us. Hmph.... It's all quite elementry my dear man. Get it?-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #42 October 11, 2011 QuoteLaughLaughLaugh BOOOM! Yeah, I know, I should avoid red button topics, but since this is a skydive forum, and I know next to nothing about skydiving, I got to get my post count up somewhere. Unfortunately I happen to like red button topics too. QuoteI agree there are some really wacko nuts out there using religion for self-gratification. Can we say the same for the anti-religious also? Yes, of course. Yes, but religion really tends to get the crazy factor out in wacko nuts in my experience. However, I even saw an example of sectarian atheism in the past, so I sort of agree with you. I disagree with anti-theism, btw, while I consider religion to be nonsensical, that doesn't mean I think it's only harmful. I benefit from self-hypnosis, which means I knowingly lie to myself and choose to belief that lie. It doesn't get much more nonsensical that that, but it turns out to be beneficial to me. QuoteAnd I would agree with that in general terms except that I would say "many" instead of "most". A small difference, me thinks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #43 October 11, 2011 QuoteThe USA being the world's policeman has costs us over 3/4 trillion dollars in the last 10 years, what have we actually accomplished? And we wonder why the nation is broke and everyone hates us. What does that have to do with this thread? QuoteJust as it's our business how we run our country, other countries in the world have the same right. Ah, but who's "right" is it in Iran, exactly? Not the Iranian people - they voted once thirty years ago and haven't had a real say ever since. Is it the "right" of the clerics to do whatever the hell they want simply because they're the ones at the top?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #44 October 11, 2011 Quote Quote The USA being the world's policeman has costs us over 3/4 trillion dollars in the last 10 years, what have we actually accomplished? And we wonder why the nation is broke and everyone hates us. What does that have to do with this thread? Quote Just as it's our business how we run our country, other countries in the world have the same right. Ah, but who's "right" is it in Iran, exactly? Not the Iranian people - they voted once thirty years ago and haven't had a real say ever since. Is it the "right" of the clerics to do whatever the hell they want simply because they're the ones at the top? Wow Brit - you really sound outraged What do you want? The US to invade Iran? What, *exactly*, is everyones' right outside the Iran, to interfere there? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #45 October 11, 2011 What do you want, the US to collapse into a third world state?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #46 October 11, 2011 Quote What do you want, the US to collapse into a third world state? Say what? US to collapse into a 3rd world state? -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #47 October 11, 2011 Quote What do you want, the US to collapse into a third world state? Well, if you ask me that bluntly .... ??? NO! Let them invade the Iran. Sounds like the better solution. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #48 October 11, 2011 Why do you want the US to invade Iran?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #49 October 11, 2011 Quote Quote What do you want, the US to collapse into a third world state? Say what? US to collapse into a 3rd world state? So she can ask random questions and I can't?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #50 October 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote What do you want, the US to collapse into a third world state? Say what? US to collapse into a 3rd world state? So she can ask random questions and I can't? Of course, you can Take another sip and proceed posting dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
