skybill 19 #101 September 29, 2011 Hi air-d, 'Been watchin this thread, hmmmm?? Interesting. So what if the guy was a muzzie instead of a Christian and said,"In the name of alluah your gun wont fire!!"??? Would it "not" have gone off?? Doesn't matter. In times of trouble we, no matter who we are, will call upon the Diety at hand to hopefully get our ass out of the crack!! 'Only one liner I can come up with for this situation is,"Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition!!" As far as getting into harms' way whether intentional or unintenionally I'll leave you with what my good friend and fellow instructor John Brasher used to tell our first jump classes back in the day about that period of time in their lives between the A/C Door and TerraFirma,"When you leave that door, there are only two entities that can help you, that's 'God' and 'Yourself,' and we all know that 'God' only helps' those that help 'themselves'!!"SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #102 September 29, 2011 It got all twisted around (this is after all the SC). My original thought was 'Who is such a believer that they think this has even the slightest chance of working?' It reminds me of the scene in Pulp Fiction where the guy misses with all six shots. Even then the gun fired. I'm also pretty sure that the news article doesn't even tell half the story. Why did he have a gun pointed at him? Did he know the shooter? Ya just can't make this shit up.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #103 September 29, 2011 QuoteI'm also pretty sure that the news article doesn't even tell half the story. Why did he have a gun pointed at him? Did he know the shooter? Are you suggesting that by showing up for a bible study class that he somehow brought this armed robbery upon himself, and got what he deserved? Is this like the argument that when a woman is raped after dressing provocatively, that she got what she deserved because she was asking for it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #104 September 29, 2011 Quotewhatever you say - your acting in this thread shows nicely what sort of person you are. Ya, and wtf does blaming the victim and laughing at their death say about you?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #105 September 29, 2011 QuoteIt got all twisted around (this is after all the SC). My original thought was 'Who is such a believer that they think this has even the slightest chance of working?' That may have been your thought, but you apparently failed miserably to express it through words. You cited a quote from the article talking about the idea from the bible of how the greatest love is to lay one's life down for a friend... You said that idea was crazy. If anyone's twisting anything, it's you.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #106 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm also pretty sure that the news article doesn't even tell half the story. Why did he have a gun pointed at him? Did he know the shooter? Are you suggesting that by showing up for a bible study class that he somehow brought this armed robbery upon himself, and got what he deserved? Is this like the argument that when a woman is raped after dressing provocatively, that she got what she deserved because she was asking for it? I'm suggesting we don't know the whole story.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #107 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt got all twisted around (this is after all the SC). My original thought was 'Who is such a believer that they think this has even the slightest chance of working?' That may have been your thought, but you apparently failed miserably to express it through words. You cited a quote from the article talking about the idea from the bible of how the greatest love is to lay one's life down for a friend... You said that idea was crazy. If anyone's twisting anything, it's you. Tell me what the situation was that he needed to lay down his life to protect others. He's the only person who was shot.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #108 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm also pretty sure that the news article doesn't even tell half the story. Why did he have a gun pointed at him? Did he know the shooter? Are you suggesting that by showing up for a bible study class that he somehow brought this armed robbery upon himself, and got what he deserved? Is this like the argument that when a woman is raped after dressing provocatively, that she got what she deserved because she was asking for it? I'm suggesting we don't know the whole story. The armed robber was looking for easy victims. Quote: "Settle, 22, was fatally shot in front of the porch stairs leading to a Hazlett Avenue NW home, where he and two friends had been heading for a late-night Bible study. They were approached by two robbers, one of whom had a gun, police said."What more do you think there might be to the story? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #109 September 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm also pretty sure that the news article doesn't even tell half the story. Why did he have a gun pointed at him? Did he know the shooter? Are you suggesting that by showing up for a bible study class that he somehow brought this armed robbery upon himself, and got what he deserved? Is this like the argument that when a woman is raped after dressing provocatively, that she got what she deserved because she was asking for it? I'm suggesting we don't know the whole story. The armed robber was looking for easy victims. Quote: "Settle, 22, was fatally shot in front of the porch stairs leading to a Hazlett Avenue NW home, where he and two friends had been heading for a late-night Bible study. They were approached by two robbers, one of whom had a gun, police said."What more do you think there might be to the story? 3 guys and he shot one? Where were the other 2? Were they robbed also? Why didn't they start chanting to the bearded one in the sky? If he's a martyr what are the other 2 that didn't get shot? Wanna start labeling people? Jeez John. Lighten up a bit. You christians need to get a funny bone. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #110 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuotewhatever you say - your acting in this thread shows nicely what sort of person you are. Ya, and wtf does blaming the victim and laughing at their death say about you? maybe he should of just shut the fuck up and sit down instead of waving his mickey mouse book around and he'd still be alive!? doesnt take an MBA to know that..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #111 September 30, 2011 Quote Quote whatever you say - your acting in this thread shows nicely what sort of person you are. Ya, and wtf does blaming the victim and laughing at their death say about you? Like you expect VB to give you an honest answer. Caught with his pants down and 'fessin' up? Nah....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #112 September 30, 2011 QuoteWhere were the other 2? Were they robbed also? Why didn't they start chanting to the bearded one in the sky? If he's a martyr what are the other 2 that didn't get shot? YOU asked and I'm interested in what YOUR answers are. Or, OTOH, are you just fishing?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #113 September 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt got all twisted around (this is after all the SC). My original thought was 'Who is such a believer that they think this has even the slightest chance of working?' That may have been your thought, but you apparently failed miserably to express it through words. You cited a quote from the article talking about the idea from the bible of how the greatest love is to lay one's life down for a friend... You said that idea was crazy. If anyone's twisting anything, it's you. Tell me what the situation was that he needed to lay down his life to protect others. He's the only person who was shot. Oh, so now you're changing your "original thought" once again...it'd be much easier if you'd just get your cognitive process straight and accurately reduce it to words the first time so all us would know wtf you're talking about...or just admit you were careless and skrewed up so we wouldn't have to go through this...why are you even doing this to yourself, it's torturous? ...btw, I think Dale's friend, an eye witness who was actually there is a better judge of Dale's character and the events that took place rather than some biased mocker that couldn't care less about the truth of the matter..Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #114 September 30, 2011 QuoteJeez John. Lighten up a bit. You christians need to get a funny bone. Excuse us for not laughing... Since you're having trouble preceiving the situation, allow me to analogize it by creating a different senario... Let's say someone posts a story about a very hot and sexy 24 year old, self proclaimed athiest who went to some provocative blood sucking-neck biting haloween party wearing nothing but black thigh-highs a witchy min-skirt and enough cleavage to film the pornographic S&M remake of "127 hours" and was raped while engaging in said blood sucking-neck biting... ...and then someone comes along and says that stupid fuckin' athiestic bitch deserved every bit of what she got...perhaps if she believed in God, Jesus would've told her to put on some fuckin' clothes and not hang out with a bunch of depraved over-sexed power hungry blood sucking athiests. Does that put it into prespective for you? How's that for a funny bone?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #115 September 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotewhatever you say - your acting in this thread shows nicely what sort of person you are. Ya, and wtf does blaming the victim and laughing at their death say about you? maybe he should of just shut the fuck up and sit down instead of waving his mickey mouse book around and he'd still be alive!? doesnt take an MBA to know that.. That's about as stupid as saying "maybe if some rape victims where modest instead of waving their tits around they'd still be, uh....not raped." Good thing you're still in school, eh?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,433 #116 September 30, 2011 >black thigh-highs a witchy min-skirt and enough cleavage to film the pornographic S&M >remake of "127 hours" and was raped while engaging in said blood sucking-neck >biting... That was sort of funny in a Shah sort of way. Except if it were a Shah story she'd have a hump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #117 September 30, 2011 Quote ....a story about a very hot and sexy 24 year old, self proclaimed athiest who went to some provocative blood sucking-neck biting haloween party wearing nothing but black thigh-highs a witchy min-skirt and enough cleavage to film the pornographic S&M remake of "127 hours" ..... Well, fill in the rest of it. Don't leave us hanging on the character-development part of the story! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #118 September 30, 2011 One of the problems here is that what I see as the primary issue has become clouded by the religious angle. If some people threatening lethal force had come up and the guy, told them they would shoot him, and he said "oh yeah? I double dog dare you!," the issue would have been much clearer that he had simply challenged the assailant, and that the assailant had responded to the challenge. Watching Popeye cartoons and concluding that, after eating a can of spinach, one can stop a speeding automobile single-handed is about as valid a premise. Spinach may be good for you, but so grossly misunderstanding its benefits is suicidal. If someone was tied to a stake, asked if he had any last words before the firing squad got busy, and he responded with a prayer, fine. ("Chicken soup? How can that help? He's dead!" "Couldn't hurt") If he had said "In the name of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, I beg you for mercy" and the guy shot him, I would be sympathetic. The issue is thus blurred. The perceived stupidity is not the particular nature of the challenge this individual put before the assailant, it is the fact that he stated out loud that the assailant could do him no harm. The assailant tested this hypothesis, with fatal results. To use the Atheist angle, it would be as brilliant as telling the assailant "I don't believe you could shoot me!" Stupidity has no religious affiliation. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #119 September 30, 2011 QuoteWho are you? JR's shadow? Or his 2nd ego? No, just someone who sees you ignoring FACTS just so you can go on a personal vendetta. QuoteJR posted that article. And SkyDekker posted the information FIRST. QuoteDisgusting What is disgusting is you ignoring the facts again just so you can try to twist things against someone else. Yes, that bit was disgusting.... But it was SkyDekker not JR that brought it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #120 September 30, 2011 Quotechristel, dont you know by now, it's the american way! if you dont like someone/their opinion, go find something "dirty" in their past and make it public. worked already with clinton! that's how the republicans do it! You also know that SkyDekker posted the information first right? So, is SkyDekker a Republican American? Or are you just getting a shot in and now just realizing that maybe you put your foot in your mouth? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #121 September 30, 2011 Simple solution: Kevlar Bible covers. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #122 September 30, 2011 QuoteSimple solution: Kevlar Bible covers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-RoQ9AXERwquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
