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Sorry dude, I was to tired to go outside and join in.

Hey! After you rest up a little, could you do me a favor?
I need a new couch.....oh, and a wide-screen TV. Help out a fellow jumper, eh?

You can't fool me, you'll just sell them for jump tickets

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edited to add: I hope that doesn't hurt my chances for a couch and a TV.

I refere you to my earlier answer

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This is possibly one of the dumbest riots ever. ........

I agree with the vast majority of your post, but the underlying question is 'whats pissing them off?' We can contain this situation but to cure it we need to get to those answers first.

Same here J - BUT I'm not sure there are any real reasons behind this. They are not Demonstrating, just plain breaking the Law - as a mob.

Now finding and fixing the underlying CAUSE is what is incredibly important. I currently believe the cause is the general lack of DISCIPLINE and RESPECT that has been enforced by the stupid level of political correctness that WE have allowed to guide the education of our kids. Kids are allowed to get away with murder (literally) and woe behold anyone who should try to correct anyone elses brats.

We need to get back to teaching kids how to behave[full stop].

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Undoubtedly nasty - but people get robbed, mugged, murdered, assaulted every day in london...

(apart from the rich in their sweet little bubbles)

Except now you have all of those people who rob, mug and murder, all joined together, walking the streets in masses with the 'we can't be touched' mentality.

So many of these people aren't even that poor. As stated before, they're not doing this for a collectively economic reason. It's not like it's the poor uprising to change the way wealth is distributed.

It's primarily people who are rich enough to buy themselves 1000s of pounds of sporting gear and drugs. People who are closer to middle class, who pretend they are poor so that they can seem more 'gangsta'.

Many of my friends in the UK are broke, they're squatting. They've been evicted from loads of places over the past couple years. They are all against the working class oppression. And I can assure you that these people rioting are NOT the same types of people with the same ideals.

This riot is nothing more than a bunch of kids misbehaving because they've realized that if they throw the ball in the house, mommy and daddy can't do anything to them.

They give a bad name to those who riot in the hopes of achieving something.

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I have just seen that the IPCC have said there is no evidence that Marks gun had been fired.

Personally I have no problem with the conduct of CO19 (this is our specialist armed branch of the police). Clearly Mark had an illegal gun and the officers had no idea that he would not use it. There was the incident a few years ago where a drunk with a table leg was shot and killed, because it was believed it was a shotgun.

I feel safe with our armed police as they are highly trained and tend to show restraint. We don't tend to get incidents like those in the US where officers open fire, and completely innocent people are killed or injured including bystanders.

A quirk of our having dubious neighbours means that I have had the pleasure of hosting armed police in my back garden on a few occasions. I have never felt at risk from them and they were utterly professional.

What many Americans seem to misunderstand is that while our police are unarmed, there is a good support network of armed police. It is simply that they are used on an as needed basis, even if the weapon involved is a knife, hammer etc.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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This riot is nothing more than a bunch of kids misbehaving because they've realized that if they throw the ball in the house,'Noone, not even' mommy and daddy can't do anything to them..

That's the bottom line. We've thrown the power away and it's long past time that we reclaimed the right to discipline!

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This is possibly one of the dumbest riots ever. ........

I agree with the vast majority of your post, but the underlying question is 'whats pissing them off?' We can contain this situation but to cure it we need to get to those answers first.

Same here J - BUT I'm not sure there are any real reasons behind this. They are not Demonstrating, just plain breaking the Law - as a mob.

Now finding and fixing the underlying CAUSE is what is incredibly important. I currently believe the cause is the general lack of DISCIPLINE and RESPECT that has been enforced by the stupid level of political correctness that WE have allowed to guide the education of our kids. Kids are allowed to get away with murder (literally) and woe behold anyone who should try to correct anyone elses brats.

We need to get back to teaching kids how to behave[full stop].

The problem is even the parents don't know how to behave

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Likewise I have no problem with the Police shooting first.

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This is possibly one of the dumbest riots ever. ........

I agree with the vast majority of your post, but the underlying question is 'whats pissing them off?' We can contain this situation but to cure it we need to get to those answers first.

Same here J - BUT I'm not sure there are any real reasons behind this. They are not Demonstrating, just plain breaking the Law - as a mob.

Now finding and fixing the underlying CAUSE is what is incredibly important. I currently believe the cause is the general lack of DISCIPLINE and RESPECT that has been enforced by the stupid level of political correctness that WE have allowed to guide the education of our kids. Kids are allowed to get away with murder (literally) and woe behold anyone who should try to correct anyone elses brats.

We need to get back to teaching kids how to behave[full stop].

The problem is even the parents don't know how to behave

That's right Nigel - because this PC Shite has been going on too long - Let's get back to 1st principles in education.. Good Citizenship - Respect and Discipline.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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They give a bad name to those who riot in the hopes of achieving something.

Heh heh In other words, the truly professional rioters are appalled at these people's lack of professionalism. Must have standards, after all.

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They are not Demonstrating, just plain breaking the Law - as a mob.

I agree, but there remains reasons why their behaviour is so. I think you've hit on some of the reasons, I think that a lack of ownership of this country allows them to destroy their country. They don't see it as there own neighbourhood. Social national service (not military) is a good start as is mentorship schemes seeing as many have no fathers living at home and many of those who do have dysfunctional fathers. I move away from the look the other way society has to be made and the public encouraged to stand up to criminals.

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Undoubtedly nasty - but people get robbed, mugged, murdered, assaulted every day in london...

(apart from the rich in their sweet little bubbles)

Except now you have all of those people who rob, mug and murder, all joined together, walking the streets in masses with the 'we can't be touched' mentality.

for a couple of days (and not in the rich enclaves) - causing less damage than a good flash flood. the police are now out in force and order is once more restored to the streets - until the genuine rioters get their act together

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Social national service (not military) is a good start.

hey, i agree with this
(but it has to be for EVERY youngster)

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They give a bad name to those who riot in the hopes of achieving something.

Heh heh In other words, the truly professional rioters are appalled at these people's lack of professionalism. Must have standards, after all.

Actually as rioting goes they did quite a job, it may have been a complete accident but their employment of swam tactics overwhelmed the agents of law enforcement who were not able to use the tactics of containment and kettling that they would against a large mob.

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Social national service (not military) is a good start.

hey, i agree with this
(but it has to be for EVERY youngster)

Bloody hell Swampy, I agree too

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They are not Demonstrating, just plain breaking the Law - as a mob.

I agree, but there remains reasons why their behaviour is so. I think you've hit on some of the reasons, I think that a lack of ownership of this country allows them to destroy their country. They don't see it as there own neighbourhood. Social national service (not military) is a good start as is mentorship schemes seeing as many have no fathers living at home and many of those who do have dysfunctional fathers. I move away from the look the other way society has to be made and the public encouraged to stand up to criminals.

Yeap, I advocate that ALL kids (right from 1st school) should have a Citizen Class on the National Curriculum.... Litter picking, grapffiti removal, helping old folks (like me

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They give a bad name to those who riot in the hopes of achieving something.

Heh heh In other words, the truly professional rioters are appalled at these people's lack of professionalism. Must have standards, after all.

Actually as rioting goes they did quite a job, it may have been a complete accident but their employment of swam tactics overwhelmed the agents of law enforcement who were not able to use the tactics of containment and kettling that they would against a large mob.

Apparently Blackberry messenger was used extensively to co-ordinate the riots. It does make you wonder if there is a slightly more organised theme to this, not that I have any idea on who it would be? Gordon Brown's revenge maybe

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Apparently Blackberry messenger was used extensively to co-ordinate the riots. It does make you wonder if there is a slightly more organised theme to this, not that I have any idea on who it would be? Gordon Brown's revenge maybe

Well if that's the case then maybe some Legal Phone hacking could be put to GOOD use!!

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I'm fairly certain majority of these rioters have no idea what is happening in the financial market.

doesn't mean it doesn't affect them. everyone's consuming - they just join in and get free stuff. what could be more natural (it's just like a banking bonus - but for those at the very bottom)

meanwhile we wait for the 'official' riots probably some time next year - possibly the olympics...

Why I am I not suprised that you would seek to normalize and rationalize a bunch of street thugs ruining the livelihood of hard working people.

They aren't burning CEO's flats and RBS buildings. They are stealing and destroying the lives of people who built their business from the ground up with their own labor.

The fact that you can some how put this together with bankers, and justify the behavior is probably the trashiest ignorant dog shit that you have posted on here in a while, and it shines a real bright spotlight on your character.

Tell you what, I won't feel bad when some scumbag steals your camera gear or rig. After all it isn't their fault, it is the bankers fault.

I won't even get started on your continued retarded rants about bankers. The irony of you living in a developed world, in a sport the rellies on financing and capital, and bitching about bankers is overwhelming. Go live in some dank cave, grow radishes and barter them for goods if you think the system is such shite.

Bankers do plenty of good for the economy and the general good. When is the last time you helped create a job, or invested in a business?

When is the last time a drug dealer, street thug, or looter did something good for the society and economy.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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When is the last time a drug dealer, street thug, or looter did something good for the society and economy.

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When they die?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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if you like somalia so much - feel free to move there

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When is the last time a drug dealer, street thug, or looter did something good for the society and economy.

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When they die?

when they're supplying coke to the bankers for their rounds of parties and throwing away money?

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

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Actually, I would suggest you give it a shot. It would be right in line with all of the bullshit that you post. None of your hated bankers. Equality that only survival of the fittest could bring about, no birthright and entitlement. Nope just hold you own, make your own way.

I wouldn't expect you to do so though. You are too busy living in you nice capitalism haven, sucking benefits from the bankers teat.

Your about as silly as the american highschool kids the wear Che Guevara t-shirts while walking around with Starbucks coffee drinks and living high on mommy and daddys capitalism hush money. What a joke!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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Actually, I would suggest you give it a shot. It would be right in line with all of the bullshit that you post. None of your hated bankers. Equality that only survival of the fittest could bring about, no birthright and entitlement. Nope just hold you own, make your own way.

a libertarian paradise then - get out there quick before it turns socialist

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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They aren't burning CEO's flats and RBS buildings. They are stealing and destroying the lives of people who built their business from the ground up with their own labor.

Great point. Or to put it another way...

http://www.twitvid.com/4JTZH

(If you need a translation ask StreetScooby, he knows what she's saying)

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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