sundevil777 93 #251 June 5, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuotethey should have done the sensible thing then and given themselves up and saved a lot of lives. You think the "peace activists" were waiting for the soldiers to say, "I surrender" before they were going to stop beating on them? yes. remember no israelis died. what do you think of the israeli commander admitting he shot when he was 'approached' by someone with a knife - not stabbed or assaulted, just 'approached'. No problem with that. Would you have waited to be stabbed first?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #252 June 5, 2010 just to make the facts a little clearer. they were attacked and beaten as soon as they landed on the ship (as the video clearly shows) only after they were beaten and even shot with guns taken from the wounded soldiers, they openned fire. The fact that he shot someone who ran towards him with a drawn knife doesn't mean that 3 of his friends weren't already lying down wounded already. I suggest you ignore these childish posts of his. let him seek attention somewhere else... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #253 June 5, 2010 You made up the "quotes" again, didn't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #254 June 5, 2010 Quotejust to make the facts a little clearer. they were attacked and beaten as soon as they landed on the ship (as the video clearly shows). they should have withdrawn then - immediately. if they'd have put their hands up and said 'i surrender' then no more violence would have ensued.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #255 June 5, 2010 shooting people in the head rather than surrendering is not 'we did everything we could to prevent unnecessary injury'... QuoteAn unnamed Israeli commando, who purportedly led the raid on the Mavi Marmara, today told Israeli news website Ynet News that he shot at a protester who approached him with a knife. "I was in front of a number of people with knives and clubs," he said. "I cocked my weapon when I saw that one was coming towards me with a knife drawn and I fired once. Then another 20 people came at me from all directions and threw me down to the deck below … "We knew they were peace activists. Though they wanted to break the Gaza blockade, we thought we'd encounter passive resistance, perhaps verbal resistance – we didn't expect this. Everyone wanted to kill us. We encountered terrorists who wanted to kill us and we did everything we could to prevent unnecessary injury." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-resultsstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #256 June 5, 2010 Nobody takes you seriously. Nobody believes you. You make up quotes that don't exist. You make up facts that don't exist. You ignore repeated requests to back up your claimed "facts" and "quotes". You just repeat trolling phrases ad nauseum. You're done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RackJR 0 #257 June 5, 2010 Quote they should have withdrawn then - immediately. if they'd have put their hands up and said 'i surrender' then no more violence would have ensued. If the SOLDIERS would have surrendered, the PEACE ACTIVISTS would have stopped being violent? You take away from the possibility of real discussion with this nonsense. Say what you mean. Do what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #258 June 5, 2010 Quoteshooting people in the head rather than surrendering is not 'we did everything we could to prevent unnecessary injury'... sure, because as we can see the lynch attempts stopped once the soldier was down on the floor... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #259 June 5, 2010 QuoteQuote they should have withdrawn then - immediately. if they'd have put their hands up and said 'i surrender' then no more violence would have ensued. If the SOLDIERS would have surrendered, the PEACE ACTIVISTS would have stopped being violent? You take away from the possibility of real discussion with this nonsense. nuremberg disproved the notion that wearing a uniform stops you from taking sensible human decisions. the 'soldiers' had no need to be there and could have chosen not to have shot - there would have been no shame in that. in fact it wopuld have taken more bravery to do that than the slaughter they did undertake. i don't think the israeli commander is going to get a medal or much further in his army career for being so stupid. he really let his country down.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 93 #260 June 5, 2010 did you make up the quote or not?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #261 June 5, 2010 Quote they should have withdrawn then - immediately. if they'd have put their hands up and said 'i surrender' then no more violence would have ensued. Yeah, right, if they had surrendered they would have been beaten to death by "peace activists""What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #262 June 5, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe6qdXqBvLA QuoteReal Time Andrew Sullivan describes israel's anti peace attitude At least more people are seeing the truthI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #263 June 5, 2010 Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe6qdXqBvLA Quote Real Time Andrew Sullivan describes israel's anti peace attitude At least more people are seeing the truth bit by bit blind support of israel - and dismissal of the palestinians - is being chipped away stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #264 June 5, 2010 To be fair i found the whole thing. and the whole thing covers both sides.But its longer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-v-_CyDSgEI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #265 June 5, 2010 Quote amazon keeps trying to beat me with the YOUR country thing - just having a little go back BIG KNIFE Perhaps if you EVER put anything negative out about YOUR idyllic socialist nanny police state instead of the regurgisphere racist crap about the US or ISRAEL you might have a leg to stand on. All you ever come up with are far fringe leftist bullshit threads you took from things like ALTERNUTREALITY.COM or some of the cother commie rags in the UK to bludgeon us with their stupidity AS far as someone coming at you with a knife... what are your procedures for handling that situation in YOUR country where you are protected from cradle to grave by camera's and bobbies..... does it include a large pool of water around the feet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #266 June 6, 2010 QuoteIf Somalians attempted to board a US cargo ship in international waters, and the crew of the US cargo ship foolishly resisted, would the Somalians be justified in killing the crew? After all, the US does have a history of violence against Somalians. No. If the Somalian NAVY however (provided it existed) was enforcing a naval blockade, and wanted to board a US cargo (non-navy) ship in international waters in order to inspect it because they suspected the US cargo ship was either carrying contra band or clearly trying TO BREAK THE NAVAL BLOCKADE the treaty of San Remo (which handles these matters) gives them full authority to enforce their inspection, using any means necessary - even if that US ship had half the US peace corps on board and even if they were well outside the area where the naval blockade was enforced. Point being (probably) that warships have these big guns on deck, while merchant ships don't. (Hey - I'm Dutch. 'mare liberum' was first published by Hugo de Groot in 1609. It is considered the beginning of international naval law. Navy ships can't be pirates - unless there was first a mutiny on the Bounty...) "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #267 June 6, 2010 That's...you...I mean....I ahh...Whoa. The bringing of navel law and dreamdancer together? Fuck you should try teaching Rhys physics or Lucky the definition of Ad hominem. Baby steps dude, baby steps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #268 June 6, 2010 We're still waiting for the sources of you "quotes." By the way, when you "approach" someone while holding a knife with the apparent intent of stabbing them (which qualifies as deadly force) you can expect them to reply in kind. If they have a gun, expect to get shot. So you got the source for those"quotes" or are you just making shit up again?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #269 June 6, 2010 QuoteThat's...you...I mean....I ahh...Whoa. The bringing of navel law and dreamdancer together? Fuck you should try teaching Rhys physics or Lucky the definition of Ad hominem. Actually my comment wasn't directed towards dreamdancer (who clearly is beyond help there), I was replying to a post of Billvon - who also seems to have trouble understanding the current rules @ sea. He being a greeny in this international forum and all one would hope for some advanced reasoning... Contrary to pan-arabic / islamistic desires, Israel IS de facto a state - why else cry 'bloody murder' all the time if it was not? I mean, almost at the same time when this incident went down, 93 people were killed in an attack on two mosques in Pakistan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/10195474.stm One would expect 10 times as many posts on THAT subject as in this 'Jewish piracy' thread. Apparently it is OK to kill people in their house of worship - as long as the killing is done by other Muslims. Now Jews on boats, that's a whole different ballgame, or so it seems. "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #270 June 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteThat's...you...I mean....I ahh...Whoa. The bringing of navel law and dreamdancer together? Fuck you should try teaching Rhys physics or Lucky the definition of Ad hominem. Actually my comment wasn't directed towards dreamdancer (who clearly is beyond help there), I was replying to a post of Billvon - who also seems to have trouble understanding the current rules @ sea. He being a greeny in this international forum and all one would hope for some advanced reasoning... Contrary to pan-arabic / islamistic desires, Israel IS de facto a state - why else cry 'bloody murder' all the time if it was not? I mean, almost at the same time when this incident went down, 93 people were killed in an attack on two mosques in Pakistan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/10195474.stm One would expect 10 times as many posts on THAT subject as in this 'Jewish piracy' thread. Apparently it is OK to kill people in their house of worship - as long as the killing is done by other Muslims. Now Jews on boats, that's a whole different ballgame, or so it seems. +10I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #271 June 6, 2010 What a stupid comment. How many murders happen in the US. Year? Make sure u make thread for eachone from now on. And don't for get to mention every one that is violance commited by people who share the same religion. U can use that as an excuse for all crimes comitted by people who do not share the same religion. GREAT LOGIC.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #272 June 6, 2010 QuoteWhat a stupid comment. How many murders happen in the US. Year? I wouldn't know. However, it seems irrelevant for the discussion since in this case the question is whether the state of Israel allowed the use of excessive force by their military or committed an act of piracy by ordering their military to enter these Turkish ships in international waters. On the first one, the jury is still out - but from your logic a weapon is not defined by its use, but by its design purpose. That's good news for anyone convicted for assault with a deadly weapon that has been using a kitchen knife in stead of a stiletto. Someone trying to bash my head in with a metal rod or trying to stab me with a knife (any knife) is not 'peacefully resisting'... On the second one there is the crystal clear text of the San Remo treaty. Israel Naval forces identified themselves, informed the other party that there WAS a naval blockade in effect for the area of their chosen destination and offered alternatives for the transfer of the humanitarian goods - without breaking the blockade. Only after that they boarded the Turkish (merchant) ships. International naval law gives them every right to do so. Comparisons with Somali pirates are completely beside the point. "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #273 June 6, 2010 Quote Quote amazon keeps trying to beat me with the YOUR country thing - just having a little go back BIG KNIFE Perhaps if you EVER put anything negative out about YOUR idyllic socialist nanny police state instead of the regurgisphere racist crap about the US or ISRAEL you might have a leg to stand on. All you ever come up with are far fringe leftist bullshit threads you took from things like ALTERNUTREALITY.COM or some of the cother commie rags in the UK to bludgeon us with their stupidity israel is nothing to do with you - stick to comments about your OWN country please (if anyone criticise the us - they're racist in your opinion and you're happy to describe them as racist on an open forum even though that should be a pa)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #274 June 6, 2010 Quote That's...you...I mean....I ahh...Whoa. The bringing of navel law and dreamdancer together? how's your navel - still examining it? stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #275 June 6, 2010 Quote By the way, when you "approach" someone while holding a knife with the apparent intent of stabbing them (which qualifies as deadly force) you can expect them to reply in kind. If they have a gun, expect to get shot. the commander was a wimp who cracked under the pressure stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
