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I found this interesting...dont agree with some of the extreems such as saying we are a socialist state, but yea, figured i would share it:



The Fundamental Transformation of America
When Obama wrote a book and said he was mentored as a youth by Frank, (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist, people said it didn't matter.

When it was discovered that his grandparents, were strong socialists, sent Obama's mother to a socialist school, introduced Frank Marshall Davis to young Obama, People said it didn't matter.

When people found out that he was enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his father and step father were both Muslims, people said it didn't matter.

When he wrote in another book he authored “I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” people said it didn't matter.

When he admittedly, in his book,said he chose Marxist friends and professors in college, people said it didn't matter.

When he traveled to Pakistan , after college on an unknown national passport, people said it didn't matter.

When he sought the endorsement of the Marxist party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate,
people said it doesn't matter.

When he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years and listened to a preacher spew hatred for America and preach black liberation theology, people said it didn't matter.

When an independent Washington organization, that tracks senate voting records, gave him the distinctive title as the "most liberal senator",
people said it didn't matter.

When the Palestinians in Gaza , set up a fund raising telethon to raise money for his election campaign, people said it didn't matter.

When his voting record supported gun control,
people said it didn't matter.

When he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done,
people said it didn't matter.

When he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan and Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

When it was pointed out that he was a total, newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.

When he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn't matter.

When his voting record in the Illinois senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn't matter.

When he refused to wear a flag, lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn't matter.

When people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises,
people said it didn't matter.

When he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.

When he surrounded himself in the White house with advisors who were pro gun control, pro abortion, pro homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition
people said it didn't matter.

When he aired his views on abortion, homosexuality and a host of other issues, people said it didn't matter.

When he said he favors sex education in Kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination,
people said it didn't matter.

When his background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn't matter.

When the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn't matter.

When he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco, a man of questionable character, who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home, people said it didn't matter.

When it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.

When he started appointing czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist/Communist, people said it didn't matter.

When he stood before the nation and told us that his intentions were to "fundamentally transform this nation" into something else, people said it didn't matter.

When it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed cabinet members and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists,
people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed a science czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Cass Sunstein as regulatory czar and he believes in "Explicit Consent", harvesting human organs with out family consent, and to allow animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual, and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight, Education network, as safe school czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Mark Lloyd as diversity czar and he believed in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth and admires Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama's senior White House advisor and she is an avowed Socialist,
people said it didn't matter.

When Anita Dunn, White House Communications director said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Carol Browner as global warming czar, and she is a well known socialist working on Cap and trade as the nations largest tax,
people said it doesn't matter.

When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as green energy czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.

When Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for health and human services secretary could not be confirmed, because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.

When as president of the United States ,he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn't matter.

When he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness,
people said it didn't matter.

When his actions concerning the middle-east seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel , our long time friend, People said it doesn't matter.

When he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it doesn't matter.

When he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians,
People said it doesn't matter.

When he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops the Field Commanders said we had to have to win, people said it didn't matter.

When he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.

When he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions and individuals that got him elected,
people said it didn't matter.

When he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc. people said it didn't matter.

When he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.

When he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control,
people said it didn't matter.

When he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.

When he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State ,people finally woke up........ but it was too late.

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As a metaphor, Obama is a commie. As a metaphor, Reagan and GWB are Nazis. Now, let's be realistic; Obama is doing and advocating things that are lightly socialist, getting shot down on most. Reagan and GWB did some things that were fascist/corporatist, I can list several, but that doesn't make them full on Nazis.

The sky isn't falling, we don't have a kingdom w/o a parlaiment, it takes far more than a president to get things done. The best way to look at politics that you disagree with is to realize that your party was so bad that the other side looked better. Complain about the other or fix your own.

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As a metaphor, Obama is a commie. As a metaphor, Reagan and GWB are Nazis. Now, let's be realistic; Obama is doing and advocating things that are lightly socialist, getting shot down on most. Reagan and GWB did some things that were fascist/corporatist, I can list several, but that doesn't make them full on Nazis.

The sky isn't falling, we don't have a kingdom w/o a parlaiment, it takes far more than a president to get things done. The best way to look at politics that you disagree with is to realize that your party was so bad that the other side looked better. Complain about the other or fix your own.

I think the "fix" will start come this Nov

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

When people post a laundry list of lies to try and make someone look bad, it doesn't matter.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Unless you mean electing all independents, there's absolutely no fix on the horizon, just more of the same old worn out two parties sticking their tongues out at each other.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

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When people post a laundry list of lies to try and make someone look bad, it doesn't matter.

I don't like spam emails like those either, but which one of those do you consider a lie?

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stopped reading after the second line - what a bunch of utter propaganda BS

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BRAVO!

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When people post a laundry list of lies to try and make someone look bad, it doesn't matter.

I don't like spam emails like those either, but which one of those do you consider a lie?

The "birth certificate" one for sure.

Most of the others are little bullshit blown way out of proportion. The flag lapel pin, indoctinating kindergarteners in homosexuality and bowing to the King of Saudi are the top three in that area.

I can't say for certain about the others, mainly because I don't follow the "tin-foil-hat" crowd and their garbage all that closely.

I didn't vote for him, and I don't like a lot of what he does or wants to do, but this crap undermines valid criticism.
His supporters just point to that kind of junk and lump it with the valid objections to distract people from the real issues.

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When people post a laundry list of lies to try and make someone look bad, it doesn't matter.

I don't like spam emails like those either, but which one of those do you consider a lie?

It's really, really simple: Anyone who gives the slightest shit about this, well, shit wasn't going to vote for Obama in a million years anyway. But most importantly, none- NONE - of the crucial middle of the road "swing-voters" - the same ones who have decided the last 3 presidential elections - will care about any of this shit when it comes time to decide who to vote for. Which means you're just pissing into the wind. So go right ahead and keep pissing. It has no more effect than a dog barking at a passing truck.

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As a metaphor, Obama is a commie. As a metaphor, Reagan and GWB are Nazis. Now, let's be realistic; Obama is doing and advocating things that are lightly socialist, getting shot down on most. Reagan and GWB did some things that were fascist/corporatist, I can list several, but that doesn't make them full on Nazis.

The sky isn't falling, we don't have a kingdom w/o a parlaiment, it takes far more than a president to get things done. The best way to look at politics that you disagree with is to realize that your party was so bad that the other side looked better. Complain about the other or fix your own.

I think the "fix" will start come this Nov

I'm hoping they (the Dems) get their asses kicked royally. Not because the Reps are any better, but just to maybe jolt some segment of politicians towards a more centrist and possibly bipartisan approach.

Unfortunately what I suspect will happen is what has happened every time the pendulum has swung recently. They will be totally fucking full of themselves and act just as badly as their predecessors.

They all act like rude bratty kids who play tit for tat each time it is their turn, rather than behave like the wise adult leaders we need.

Haven't decided if I am going to VOTE (Vote Out The Elected) and vote wholesale against all incumbents, or vote straight Republican. One thing for absolutely certain, I will in no way cast a vote for any incumbent Democrat.

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As a metaphor, Obama is a commie. As a metaphor, Reagan and GWB are Nazis. Now, let's be realistic; Obama is doing and advocating things that are lightly socialist, getting shot down on most. Reagan and GWB did some things that were fascist/corporatist, I can list several, but that doesn't make them full on Nazis.

The sky isn't falling, we don't have a kingdom w/o a parlaiment, it takes far more than a president to get things done. The best way to look at politics that you disagree with is to realize that your party was so bad that the other side looked better. Complain about the other or fix your own.

I think the "fix" will start come this Nov

I'm hoping they (the Dems) get their asses kicked royally. Not because the Reps are any better, but just to maybe jolt some segment of politicians towards a more centrist and possibly bipartisan approach.

Unfortunately what I suspect will happen is what has happened every time the pendulum has swung recently. They will be totally fucking full of themselves and act just as badly as their predecessors.

They all act like rude bratty kids who play tit for tat each time it is their turn, rather than behave like the wise adult leaders we need.

Haven't decided if I am going to VOTE (Vote Out The Elected) and vote wholesale against all incumbents, or vote straight Republican. One thing for absolutely certain, I will in no way cast a vote for any incumbent Democrat.

There needs to be a swing to get back to the intentions and letter of the Constitution

But to your points? I think you nailed it

I think the only chance we have is to keep changing the members regularly so they have to come home and live with the laws they have created

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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One thing for absolutely certain, I will in no way cast a vote for any incumbent Democrat.

Here's the problem - The Reps got royally kicked last time. Dems are in.

Now, if the Dems are royally kicked this time (deservedly so, even as much as the Reps last time) - do we now have two groups of people in office that are 'recalibrated'?

absolutely not - if the Dems get kicked, the Reps memory span will be reduced to less than 2 years and we start all over again.

the solution is to just keep everybody in antagonistic balance/gridlock so they just plain STOP DOING STUFF

So we have to keep both houses gridlocked, and the president needs to be someone that's against both parties.

A little political constipation is needed rather than the spending diarrhea we've have for the last couple decades

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I think the only chance we have is to keep changing the members regularly so they have to come home and live with the laws they have created

ok, that's funny - once they are in, even if they get out, they still don't have to live with the same crap they imposed on the rest of us.....

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I think the only chance we have is to keep changing the members regularly so they have to come home and live with the laws they have created

ok, that's funny - once they are in, even if they get out, they still don't have to live with the same crap they imposed on the rest of us.....

Sad but true

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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When people post a laundry list of lies to try and make someone look bad, it doesn't matter.

I don't like spam emails like those either, but which one of those do you consider a lie?

One?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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the reason i posted this (yes i copied it) was becuause i found it interesting. Are some points moot? Yes. However, to you not wearing a flag pin on the lapel, or covering his heart during the national anthem may mean little, but as a service member it is an insult. This man is the Commander of all armed forces for the US. Not showing any sort of patriotism is a smack in the face to those of us who wish to. I take pride in this country (as i'm sure many of you do too), and i show it by doing the little things...the highest representitive of this country should do the same.

I also agree that if/when the seats go to the republicans it will be more of the same (as it's been this way for decades), but to get a truely central party started and elected in this country is next to impossible, and i believe something needs to change.

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> However, to you not wearing a flag pin on the lapel . . . but as a service
> member it is an insult.

That would have to be a mighty sensitive service member.

>I take pride in this country (as i'm sure many of you do too), and i
>show it by doing the little things...

Like calling the president of the country a socialist, apparently. I imagine there are some people who take that as an insult!

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I dont believe I ever called the president a socialist. I did post part of an article that i found interesting, but if you can find where I called him a socialist please let me know and i'll go haze myself. Look at the first post, where i said, "dont agree with some of the extreems such as saying we are a socialist state"

As far as being a sensitive service member, that's bullshit. I'm expected to do certain things during the playing of the National Anthem, pledge, etc, as dirrected to me by regulations written and enforced by "higher"....and it doesn't get any higher than the CIC. Why, then, should he not be expected to do the same??? You are implying that the "do as i say, not as i do" is a correct form of leadership.

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As far as being a sensitive service member, that's bullshit. I'm expected to do certain things during the playing of the National Anthem, pledge, etc, as dirrected to me by regulations written and enforced by "higher"....and it doesn't get any higher than the CIC. Why, then, should he not be expected to do the same??? You are implying that the "do as i say, not as i do" is a correct form of leadership.

I sort of agree ... but displays of patriotism does not a patriot make. It's what's in your heart that matters not what is on the T.V, Newspaper photograph or recruitment poster.

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i see what you are saying, but i'd also find it hard to believe that a true patriot (whatever you want to define it as) would not display some level of patriotism...even in the small things. You can go on and fake patriotism and will be called out on it later...or you can show no respect for your country, it's colors, or it's anthem...which IMO then you are not a patriot. You can give strongly worded speeches, etc, but if you dont follow through with what you are saying, it is nothing but a show of fake patriotism...which again, you would be called out on. The multiple photographs and accounts of the current CIC, to me, displays an utter lack of patriotism for my/his country...not to mention my own dealings with him prior to election when he visited Iraq and displayed absolutely no respect for the troops that were over there, unless a camera (with a significant media label on it) happened to be around at the time.

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i see what you are saying, but i'd also find it hard to believe that a true patriot (whatever you want to define it as) would not display some level of patriotism...even in the small things

It sounds like you're looking at him to show token acts of patriotism in order to feel he's patriotic. If he did those things, it would make him a patriot? Seems to me like every waking moment of his life right now is dedicated to improving this country. It might not be in a way you agree with, but he's put himself out there to try. Every bit of his life is scrutinized, analyzed, criticized. Was GWB a good president because he never missed an opportunity for knee-jerk patriotism? Do the actions and efforts of the current CIC mean so little to you, if they are not accompanied by "the little things"? Maybe he has a different idea of patriotism than you do? Is your idea of patriotism the only valid one?

since you brought it up, what defines a patriot, IYO?

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When people post a laundry list of lies to try and make someone look bad, it doesn't matter.

I don't like spam emails like those either, but which one of those do you consider a lie?

The "birth certificate" one for sure.

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Most of the others are little bullshit blown way out of proportion.

Your sense of "proportion differs from others. Is yours more correct than any others?

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I can't say for certain about the others, mainly because I don't follow the "tin-foil-hat" crowd and their garbage all that closely.

Nice of you to put a negative label on ideas and groups you know nothing about. Typical. How about educating yourself a little before you criticize?

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I didn't vote for him, and I don't like a lot of what he does or wants to do, but this crap undermines valid criticism. His supporters just point to that kind of junk and lump it with the valid objections to distract people from the real issues.

"Valid" criticism? What do you consider "valid"?
Are any of those things on the list untrue? Were those items simply created out of thin air? Were they "twisted" in some way? Probably yes...somewhat similar to all subjects of political debate and very definitely similar to what lawyers do in court every day.
Statements, like statistics can be manipulated in many ways...but you need at least a grain-of-truth starting point.

BTW, how many of those "little things" are you willing to overlook before they pile up and and become an indicator of the real make-up of a person?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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