A bitter pill.....

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that was a reasonable response... who are you and what have you done with lucky??? never mind that. can you stay??

Id add that when viewing stats, knowing where the numbers came from is good. for instance, alcohol related traffic accidents... dont know if its still true (likely) but at some point, if there was an intoxicated passenger, it was considered alcohol related. those are the stats MADD liked to quote.

and polls... know the sample size, domain, and (rarely vailabel) questions asked.

Not at all, we've shared reasonable discourse, when it gets shitty, I play along; sometimes I start it - sometimes I follow suit. You tend to have more substantive response than most RWers, so that's what ya get back. You must admit most RWers don't have a lot to say, I mean, what can they say?

As for stats and polls, yes they can be skewed, which is why methodology is so imprtant.

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Your one warning. Cut it out.

Bill, look, I'm not complaining, I'm not questioning your authority, I'm just asking in an informational aspect as to what I said so whatever I did won't be duplicated. I would appreciate a public response. Please quote what I wrote in this thread that was against the rules.

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R's distribute it to t eh top, let the corps hand it out as they see fit, the Dems distribute it more evenly. Economically American Capitalism as endeared by the Republicans is most like Communism as far as its distribution;

So, if I need to get my oil changed and I can choose between a service center owned by a democrat or a service center owned by a republican, who should I pick?

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Dems distribute it more evenly

That's news to me!
What is Oprah's salary?
What does Oprah's makeup artist make?

What is Sean Penn's salary?
What does his camera man make?

So a business owner/manager will recalculate his payroll based on his political affiliation. That's awesome and it's new to me. Listen, you need to trade your vag for a set and head down to the Zimbabwe library. I want to work in fast food.. I need to find out if McDonalds or Wendy's is republican or democrat... you need an education.

[billvon 2,400]

> I would appreciate a public response. Please quote what I wrote in this
> thread that was against the rules.

"it is you who has comprehension probs"

Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster.

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What is Oprah's salary?
What does Oprah's makeup artist make?

What is Sean Penn's salary?
What does his camera man make?

LOL ... May I introduce you to Ruby Dhalla?

Ruby Dhalla is a very powerful Liberal politician. So powerful that last year she (and family) decided to use their power against several foreign nannies who they employed in their home. You can read more about Ms Dhalla and how her and her family treat their employees here.

I wonder ... does Ruby Dhalla and the rest of her family pay their employees an equitable share on the vast fortune the Dhalla clan takes in every year with her political connections? She is after all a Liberal, you know champion of making sure immigrants are treated fairly and not taken advantage of.

Well if people bothered to do a little research on the Ruby Dhalla nanny-gate fiasco, they will see that this Liberal champion of immigrants, allegedly confiscated their employees passports and forced them to do non-nanny jobs making them work 12 to 16 hour days 5 days a week for a total of $250 per week. Hmmm. 12 times 5 divided by 250 ... hmmm ... Ruby Dhalla the champion of immigrants was paying her immigrant workers a little over $4 and hour. I think the Dhalla family thinks they are still in India the way they pay their employees slave wages.

But Ruby Dhalla is a Liberal politician. She is entitled to her entitlements.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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R's distribute it to t eh top, let the corps hand it out as they see fit, the Dems distribute it more evenly. Economically American Capitalism as endeared by the Republicans is most like Communism as far as its distribution;

So, if I need to get my oil changed and I can choose between a service center owned by a democrat or a service center owned by a republican, who should I pick?

buy the oil and do it yourself.

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So, if I need to get my oil changed and I can choose between a service center owned by a democrat or a service center owned by a republican, who should I pick?

buy the oil and do it yourself.

You must have voted for Nader.

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Show me where I've ever advocated an open gate approach. You can't, I'll save you the time.

In fact, I've advocated the border wall, so you missed by a mile.

Well, we agree on something. And every American, drawing welfare or unemployment, should be down there, right now, pouring concrete and tying steel..Talk about job creation.

Then, why the, in your face, immigration reform is next, attitude, if you don't agree with it?

You sound like the kind of person, who would drain the gear oil out of the rearend of a car, before letting the ex have it, in a divorce settlement.

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R's distribute it to t eh top, let the corps hand it out as they see fit, the Dems distribute it more evenly. Economically American Capitalism as endeared by the Republicans is most like Communism as far as its distribution;

So, if I need to get my oil changed and I can choose between a service center owned by a democrat or a service center owned by a republican, who should I pick?

Wrong end, you are the consumer, I was quite obviously talking about legislators and their distribution protocol.

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It may yet be

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Dems distribute it more evenly

That's news to me!
What is Oprah's salary?
What does Oprah's makeup artist make?

What is Sean Penn's salary?
What does his camera man make?

So a business owner/manager will recalculate his payroll based on his political affiliation. That's awesome and it's new to me. Listen, you need to trade your vag for a set and head down to the Zimbabwe library. I want to work in fast food.. I need to find out if McDonalds or Wendy's is republican or democrat... you need an education.

I'll repeat what I just wrote in teh above thread: WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WARE THE LEGISLATORS. Simple enough? I don't care what individual residents do regardless of your political affiliation. In a Representative Democracy all we do is elect the boobs who make the real distribution decisions; to me it is just bizzare to think individual citizens really vote party politics with their consumer dollar. We vote best purchase value with our dollar, not usually or at all partisan with our dollar. You might find one obscure example, but we just have little say with our political system as our electors can do what they want, then factor inteh very electoral college and our vote gets even more meaningless. Did you know that the state electors can have given all EV's to the losing president?

Back to the point, show me multiple MAJOR examples where consumers vote party politics with their money.

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What is Oprah's salary?
What does Oprah's makeup artist make?

What is Sean Penn's salary?
What does his camera man make?

LOL ... May I introduce you to Ruby Dhalla?

Ruby Dhalla is a very powerful Liberal politician. So powerful that last year she (and family) decided to use their power against several foreign nannies who they employed in their home. You can read more about Ms Dhalla and how her and her family treat their employees here.

I wonder ... does Ruby Dhalla and the rest of her family pay their employees an equitable share on the vast fortune the Dhalla clan takes in every year with her political connections? She is after all a Liberal, you know champion of making sure immigrants are treated fairly and not taken advantage of.

Well if people bothered to do a little research on the Ruby Dhalla nanny-gate fiasco, they will see that this Liberal champion of immigrants, allegedly confiscated their employees passports and forced them to do non-nanny jobs making them work 12 to 16 hour days 5 days a week for a total of $250 per week. Hmmm. 12 times 5 divided by 250 ... hmmm ... Ruby Dhalla the champion of immigrants was paying her immigrant workers a little over $4 and hour. I think the Dhalla family thinks they are still in India the way they pay their employees slave wages.

But Ruby Dhalla is a Liberal politician. She is entitled to her entitlements.

I don't doubt that and to infer I should be aware of some obscure family is bizzare. But how far reaching is this? How far reaching is Oprah? Oprah employs a few people, maybe 100, maybe 200, but in a nation of 300M it has zero political impact. Now her voicing that she supports Obama carries impact just as did Lieberman, Limbaugh and all the others showing support for McCain impacts that political leg, but here we're talking distribution of wealth and all of the sudden the conversation has sunk to, "I go to my liberal barber rather than my conservative one because I want to distribute wealth to the lib." NEWSFLASH: POLITICIANS DISTRIBUTE WEALTH VIA LEGISLATION. There's you poli-sci 101 lesson.

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Representative Democracy

The government of the United States is a representative republic, not a representative democracy.

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Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention. Benjamin Franklin was asked by a woman, "What kind of government have you given us?" Franklin responded with one of the most famous quotations in history, "A Republic if you can keep it."

Also, here:
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Well, we agree on something. And every American, drawing welfare or unemployment, should be down there, right now, pouring concrete and tying steel..Talk about job creation.

We agree on the wall, I don't feel, as apparently you do, that it should be built as the Qin Shi Huang Dynasty did it with slave labor. And I agree with the wall to control terrorism, not to keep those horrible Mexicans out (sarcasm). I also feel we need some border controls between the US and Canada. Yes I know they're white, so they s/b ok (sarcasm), but it's about border control and we've decided that pissing off the world is ok, but defending our borders awe do this is not neccessary. Truth is if we didn't piss people off, we wouldn't need the border wall.

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Then, why the, in your face, immigration reform is next, attitude, if you don't agree with it?

We need reform. FR just wiped the slate clean and said, "there it is, we're done." I agree with FR on his 1986 bill, after all, we ha said for decades that ot was ok, let families set up shop, so how can we pull out the carpet. But the old senile bastard should have also set up new rules and enforced them, or at least treid. But by 1986 he was down to matching up the giranimals, so he was gone.

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You sound like the kind of person, who would drain the gear oil out of the rearend of a car, before letting the ex have it, in a divorce settlement.

How am I vindictive? Show me. Also, I'm not that dumb as to get married. Guys get hammered in divorce court, esp with kids, so I had my nuts cut too. It's all about preparedness.

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> I would appreciate a public response. Please quote what I wrote in this
> thread that was against the rules.

"it is you who has comprehension probs"

Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster.

Not questioning this, but just explaining.

I've seen this written probably 100 times or more, probably more, and never, ever, ever called a PA. In fact, it was in response to Mike writing, "Sorry you're having such comprehension problems..." So I am still puzzled as to how that is a PA, not questioning it, just perplexed as to how it is, perplexed internally.

And not everything can be codified as to the rules and what is stated verbatim, so members look for a general tone on one hand, and OTOH the look for actual examples of rules infractions and hope the rules aren't enforced arbitrarily or capricously, not that they are here or anything, but they look for these actual statements and just don't make them. I'm just expressing how I attend this forum and I thought I was within the rules as I didn't write anything that I haven't seen written well over 100 times and there was no moderation recourse.

As I was saying about the tone, not all examples of rule violations can be explicitly codified, so I think members look for a tone in that they perhaps rank and file PA's. Some are easy, for example writing, "I think you're wrong" or, "I don't think you know what you're talking about" certainly aren't considered PA's as a tone here at DZ.COM. But saying, "You're a dick" should be considered by all as a PA. So we look for a tone as to what is allowed, at least those who want to follow the forum rules do this. In recent threads what has been written to me have been things like:

- I picture a 3 year old,

- I reckon Lucky has some anger management issues

- You make me think of the little girl he was portraying...

- All you do is dance on Barracks pole like the slut I shoved 6 dollar bills into a G-sting last night for.

- Sorry you're having such comprehension problems

- you need an education

- What a waste of oxygen....

- Maybe so, but so does a three legged dog trying to hump a greased pig.

- fucking douche

- Your implication that Sarah wants people to do violence upon those people is just stupid beyond all belief.

These are just a few examples, there are many recent ones against me I have not stated, so I'm just trying to find a reasonable margin of forum behavior and I guess I have not. The emboldened ones above are obvious PA's, IMO, yet they were not warned against, yet Mike wrote the same thing I did, I was warned and he was not. Again, this is not a complaint and I am not questioning moderation, in a forum like this where nothing is arbitrary or capricious I'm just looking for guidelines thru example of what is and what is not allowed.

As you say, "Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster." I can follow that, I'm just looking for a general sense of guideline since it would be impossible for you to state every last assertion that could be stated and every last one that could not. You ask for rule-following, that's all I'm doing is trying to follow the rules by behaving like others who are not warned. I'm not questioning or complaining, just needing a sense of guideline as to what is allowed.

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> I would appreciate a public response. Please quote what I wrote in this
> thread that was against the rules.

"it is you who has comprehension probs"

Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster.

Not questioning this, but just explaining.

I've seen this written probably 100 times or more, probably more, and never, ever, ever called a PA. In fact, it was in response to Mike writing, "Sorry you're having such comprehension problems..." So I am still puzzled as to how that is a PA, not questioning it, just perplexed as to how it is, perplexed internally.

And not everything can be codified as to the rules and what is stated verbatim, so members look for a general tone on one hand, and OTOH the look for actual examples of rules infractions and hope the rules aren't enforced arbitrarily or capricously, not that they are here or anything, but they look for these actual statements and just don't make them. I'm just expressing how I attend this forum and I thought I was within the rules as I didn't write anything that I haven't seen written well over 100 times and there was no moderation recourse.

As I was saying about the tone, not all examples of rule violations can be explicitly codified, so I think members look for a tone in that they perhaps rank and file PA's. Some are easy, for example writing, "I think you're wrong" or, "I don't think you know what you're talking about" certainly aren't considered PA's as a tone here at DZ.COM. But saying, "You're a dick" should be considered by all as a PA. So we look for a tone as to what is allowed, at least those who want to follow the forum rules do this. In recent threads what has been written to me have been things like:

- I picture a 3 year old,

- I reckon Lucky has some anger management issues

- You make me think of the little girl he was portraying...

- All you do is dance on Barracks pole like the slut I shoved 6 dollar bills into a G-sting last night for.

- Sorry you're having such comprehension problems

- you need an education

- What a waste of oxygen....

- Maybe so, but so does a three legged dog trying to hump a greased pig.

- fucking douche

- Your implication that Sarah wants people to do violence upon those people is just stupid beyond all belief.

These are just a few examples, there are many recent ones against me I have not stated, so I'm just trying to find a reasonable margin of forum behavior and I guess I have not. The emboldened ones above are obvious PA's, IMO, yet they were not warned against, yet Mike wrote the same thing I did, I was warned and he was not. Again, this is not a complaint and I am not questioning moderation, in a forum like this where nothing is arbitrary or capricious I'm just looking for guidelines thru example of what is and what is not allowed.

As you say, "Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster." I can follow that, I'm just looking for a general sense of guideline since it would be impossible for you to state every last assertion that could be stated and every last one that could not. You ask for rule-following, that's all I'm doing is trying to follow the rules by behaving like others who are not warned. I'm not questioning or complaining, just needing a sense of guideline as to what is allowed.

Oh waaaaaaaa

Suck it up
He banned me the first time for something I didnt even post

Do I always think he is fair? NO
But over all he does a good job

But your whole world view is it should be fair to all
That is why you have the socialist veiws you do


Move on

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lucky... 0]

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> I would appreciate a public response. Please quote what I wrote in this
> thread that was against the rules.

"it is you who has comprehension probs"

Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster.

Not questioning this, but just explaining.

I've seen this written probably 100 times or more, probably more, and never, ever, ever called a PA. In fact, it was in response to Mike writing, "Sorry you're having such comprehension problems..." So I am still puzzled as to how that is a PA, not questioning it, just perplexed as to how it is, perplexed internally.

And not everything can be codified as to the rules and what is stated verbatim, so members look for a general tone on one hand, and OTOH the look for actual examples of rules infractions and hope the rules aren't enforced arbitrarily or capricously, not that they are here or anything, but they look for these actual statements and just don't make them. I'm just expressing how I attend this forum and I thought I was within the rules as I didn't write anything that I haven't seen written well over 100 times and there was no moderation recourse.

As I was saying about the tone, not all examples of rule violations can be explicitly codified, so I think members look for a tone in that they perhaps rank and file PA's. Some are easy, for example writing, "I think you're wrong" or, "I don't think you know what you're talking about" certainly aren't considered PA's as a tone here at DZ.COM. But saying, "You're a dick" should be considered by all as a PA. So we look for a tone as to what is allowed, at least those who want to follow the forum rules do this. In recent threads what has been written to me have been things like:

- I picture a 3 year old,

- I reckon Lucky has some anger management issues

- You make me think of the little girl he was portraying...

- All you do is dance on Barracks pole like the slut I shoved 6 dollar bills into a G-sting last night for.

- Sorry you're having such comprehension problems

- you need an education

- What a waste of oxygen....

- Maybe so, but so does a three legged dog trying to hump a greased pig.

- fucking douche

- Your implication that Sarah wants people to do violence upon those people is just stupid beyond all belief.

These are just a few examples, there are many recent ones against me I have not stated, so I'm just trying to find a reasonable margin of forum behavior and I guess I have not. The emboldened ones above are obvious PA's, IMO, yet they were not warned against, yet Mike wrote the same thing I did, I was warned and he was not. Again, this is not a complaint and I am not questioning moderation, in a forum like this where nothing is arbitrary or capricious I'm just looking for guidelines thru example of what is and what is not allowed.

As you say, "Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster." I can follow that, I'm just looking for a general sense of guideline since it would be impossible for you to state every last assertion that could be stated and every last one that could not. You ask for rule-following, that's all I'm doing is trying to follow the rules by behaving like others who are not warned. I'm not questioning or complaining, just needing a sense of guideline as to what is allowed.

Oh waaaaaaaa

Suck it up
He banned me the first time for something I didnt even post

Do I always think he is fair? NO
But over all he does a good job

But your whole world view is it should be fair to all
That is why you have the socialist veiws you do


Move on

WOW, something you didn't post? See, it appears others have a hard time understanding how we're supposed to behave too. That's all I'm asking is for a clear set off rules where we can know what is and is not alllowed. I used the SCOTUS mentality in that I observe how others are reprimanded and I try not to mirror that behavior and I'm confused, not complaining, just asking for a clear set of rules so I can follow the rules. As I said before, moderation cannot be reasonably expected to cite every last assertion that is not alowed, so I look for a precedent and it must be me, I dunno, I'm just looking for a way that I can follow the rules.

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Yes!

Partly my fault because of the way I use the reply and quote funtions
I still dont think I use them as intended

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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In a Representative Democracy all we do is elect the boobs who make the real distribution decisions;

Fair enough, you win. I mistunderstood you.

Can you point out to me how the Democratic president and Congress are distributing wealth "more evenly" to the workers at Mcdonalds or Walmart while their fat-cat CEOs are still making millions?

And yes I agree with you that consumers vote with their dollar before political affiliation. In fact, there are many other reasons that infulence consumer decisions like ethics/company policies/

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You refer to most past Republican Presidents as fascist nazi scum-of-the-earth assholes whose very existence should be erased from all memory, and then not-so-vaguely put everyone who says so much as a respectful word about those men into the same category.....and then you whine and cry because of an occasional snippet???

For fuck's sake, dude, grow a fuckin' skin.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Dems distribute it more evenly

That's news to me!
What is Oprah's salary?
What does Oprah's makeup artist make?

What is Sean Penn's salary?
What does his camera man make?

So a business owner/manager will recalculate his payroll based on his political affiliation. That's awesome and it's new to me. Listen, you need to trade your vag for a set and head down to the Zimbabwe library. I want to work in fast food.. I need to find out if McDonalds or Wendy's is republican or democrat... you need an education.

In most parts of the country it a very sad reality that ones political leanings ARE part of company cultures.

I guess it was ok to use a very red litmus test when you guys do it in our own Justice Department huh???

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/05/31/justice_dept_probes_its_hirings/

[mnealtx 0]

Gerald Walpin ring a bell?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1818-Denver-Election-Reform-Examiner~y2009m3d14-The-hiring-hoax-at-DOJ

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Turns out there was another side to the story, of course. One inspector general team member was "proud Democrat." Let's skip the bias, both the inspector general's and the New York Times'. Here are the facts about the attorney-employees at Justice.

The report issued...reads more like a work of fantasy than a sober investigation. For example, the report claims that Schlozman hired only two "Democrats or liberals" during his tenure in the Civil Rights Division. This is utter nonsense. As at least a few media outlets grudgingly acknowledged, Schlozman provided the Inspector General Special Agent on the case a list of more than 25 individuals that he, Schlozman, knew were ideologically liberal or committed Democrats and who he had hired into line.

Right away this would seem to discredit the claims of qualified candidates being rejected. But wait, there's more.

I was one of just two conservatives in the entire Voting Section, which had more than 80 lawyers and support staff. It was made crystal clear to me that the attorneys and staff considered anyone with a conservative ideology to be unqualified to work as a career civil servant, and they were absolutely furious that, despite their usual screening efforts, I had been hired.This attitude was prevalent throughout the entire Division of almost 750 people....about 8 percent of the employees in Civil Rights today are conservatives. Yet even that 8 percent gives liberals such angst that trumped up inquiries are necessary.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 2,400]

>You refer to most past Republican Presidents as fascist nazi scum-of-
>the-earth assholes whose very existence should be erased from all
>memory, and then not-so-vaguely put everyone who says so much as a
>respectful word about those men into the same category.....and then you
>whine and cry because of an occasional snippet?

You can say whatever you like about presidents, their supporters, political parties, celebrities, actors, religions and countries. You cannot attack other posters here.

[Amazon 7]

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Gerald Walpin ring a bell?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1818-Denver-Election-Reform-Examiner~y2009m3d14-The-hiring-hoax-at-DOJ

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Turns out there was another side to the story, of course. One inspector general team member was "proud Democrat." Let's skip the bias, both the inspector general's and the New York Times'. Here are the facts about the attorney-employees at Justice.

The report issued...reads more like a work of fantasy than a sober investigation. For example, the report claims that Schlozman hired only two "Democrats or liberals" during his tenure in the Civil Rights Division. This is utter nonsense. As at least a few media outlets grudgingly acknowledged, Schlozman provided the Inspector General Special Agent on the case a list of more than 25 individuals that he, Schlozman, knew were ideologically liberal or committed Democrats and who he had hired into line.

Right away this would seem to discredit the claims of qualified candidates being rejected. But wait, there's more.

I was one of just two conservatives in the entire Voting Section, which had more than 80 lawyers and support staff. It was made crystal clear to me that the attorneys and staff considered anyone with a conservative ideology to be unqualified to work as a career civil servant, and they were absolutely furious that, despite their usual screening efforts, I had been hired.This attitude was prevalent throughout the entire Division of almost 750 people....about 8 percent of the employees in Civil Rights today are conservatives. Yet even that 8 percent gives liberals such angst that trumped up inquiries are necessary.

Did you actually READ all of what I wrote Mikee???

I do not think that it is a good way to do business and I certainly dont hink its a good way to run non partisan portions of our government.

The fact that the Bush Administration hacks went out of thier way to hire other hacks and religious whackjobs from BJU and other law schools with impeccable religious right pedigrees shows the level they were willing to stoop to. Its ok though, they are just a part of your wished for theocracy....hopefully they have been nipped in the bud.