Do you have healthcare currently? What is your view on the bill?

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>If not, why did pro life representatives want stronger anti-abortion language?

Because their goal is to ban all abortions. If they could do that by sneaking a total ban into a heathcare bill, they would have. Since this bill does not do that, they are unhappy.

>I don't want my tax dollars going to fund abortions.

Nor do I. Fortunately, that's not what's happening.

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I don't know how "one sided" C-Span was but that is what I was listening to all day, and I defiantly heard them say that the executive order the Barrack committed to as the debate was going on was not worth the paper it was written on. It has no binding in the court of law, and the law as it was passed allows for public funding for abortions.

If not, why did pro life representatives want stronger anti-abortion language?

I don't want my tax dollars going to fund abortions.

And I dont want my tax dollars going to support the retro-active abortions that so many of you "conservatives" salivate over.

I also dont want my tax dollars going to support puppet governments that have policies of retro-active abortion for their own people who oppose them in their countries.

Pro-life my ass

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I don't know anyone in the US that doesn't have access to health care-I personally have health insurance partially subsidized by my employer as part of my compensation package.
I support health care reform, but not this flavor.

Right, the kind that allows for people to buy across state lines and the sort of nothingness that helps no one.

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Inspired by the thread below.

Just one? this is one of 18 separate threads on HC in the past week.

It must be all the conservatives who were busy telling us that Obama couldn't get anything done.

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Yes, I have healthcare. It's very good healthcare. And unfortunately, it's probably one of those "premium" plans that might get a whole lot more expensive, so my employer may not be offering it much longer.

You're a lwayer, so you're probably at minimum wage, so that's real tough. This law, the president and congress are about helping people and closing the priv gap; he's an awesome guy.

BTW, I'm sure you can afford a good plan w/o help.

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I don't want government run healthcare, and fortunately I don't have to have it under this bill.

But lucky you gets to help pay for everyone elses now too

Yes, I work and pay taxes, I will be paying and have some guarantee that I will also get HC. See how it works; we all pay - we all get. Unlike the other way; we all pay and some get.

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How can you think it's right that family llike my wife and I have worked hard to get where we are, pay our own hc and have never asked for a handout. Are not eligible to use YOUR healthcare because we make too much, yet we are going to have to face higher costs on our insurance due to what my govt has forced upon me and I still have to pay for other peoples insurance? That's basically stealing! I would not mind so much if I had to pay taxes but the option to drop my private insurance and get what I am already paying taxes for!

That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school. Obj but you must keep giving us money

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closing the priv gap

Wanna close the gap on my exalted middle class staus Put forth my effort-make my sacrifices-take my chances and goddamn well do it.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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closing the priv gap

Wanna close the gap on my exalted middle class staus Put forth my effort-make my sacrifices-take my chances and goddamn well do it.

I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

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I don't want government run healthcare, and fortunately I don't have to have it under this bill.

But lucky you gets to help pay for everyone elses now too

Yes, I work and pay taxes, I will be paying and have some guarantee that I will also get HC. See how it works; we all pay - we all get. Unlike the other way; we all pay and some get.

But some of us work for a small business (albeit a FANTASTIC small business) that can not afford to offer "good" health care plans. When I worked for SunTrust, I LOVED my healthcare options. Not so much when you work for a small business. I'm just glad the can afford to offer some type of healthcare, otherwise I could not work where I do because I could not have a lapse in coverage because of my preexisting condition.

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I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

And I wonder about the kids that were watching TV and going to movies while I was cleaning looms all night in a cotton mill. during high school, and the ones who rode daddy's checkbook through college while I was slinging hash in a Huddle House to pay for tech school. I wonder about the people that hit the door at quitting time saying my job is done while I was asking what else can I do. Mostly I wonder about the people that try to throw a generalization on me without having a goddamn clue what I've done to get out of the trailer park and away from the government cheese. I have no fucking sympathy for the people that sit on their ass blaming everything but the fucking dog next door about not having a chance or an opportunity or a break when the truth is that you go make your own. And if you don't think life is fair-Fair is where to get cotton candy.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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You're a lwayer, so you're probably at minimum wage, so that's real tough. This law, the president and congress are about helping people and closing the priv gap; he's an awesome guy.

BTW, I'm sure you can afford a good plan w/o help.

Ok, now that I've stopped laughing, I'll make you a deal... I'll pay your health care premiums if you make my student loan payments. How's that sound?

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Pro-life my ass

Lear the difference between innocent life and those that have taken life - IT COULD , although doubtedly, make a difference.

killing is killing -

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

So with your thinking my kids should struggle and strive, fight and force like I had to because someone else's dad rode the short bus and didnt give 2 shakes about his kids education? My goodness you must have been beaten as a child.

Punish me and my kids because they have their education paid for by me busting my ass for 20 years so they dont have to work as hard as I did.

This is why socialism sucks ass... the ones that work hard are penalized so the lazy fucks can keep up. Sure am glad our forefathers didnt think like this!

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I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

So with your thinking my kids should struggle and strive, fight and force like I had to because someone else's dad rode the short bus and didnt give 2 shakes about his kids education? My goodness you must have been beaten as a child.

Punish me and my kids because they have their education paid for by me busting my ass for 20 years so they dont have to work as hard as I did.

This is why socialism sucks ass... the ones that work hard are penalized so the lazy fucks can keep up. Sure am glad our forefathers didnt think like this!

Don't you understand? It's not about your kids - it's about everyone elses. They don't think they should have to work for it. WTF is wrong with you? WTF is wrong with your thinking - CONFORM - or we will make you. . . Signed - you neighborhood Democrat.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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How can you think it's right that family llike my wife and I have worked hard to get where we are, pay our own hc and have never asked for a handout.

It's unlikely that you have never received any so-called handout. Unemployment, etc.

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Are not eligible to use YOUR healthcare because we make too much,...

My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years. I work fucking hard and I will have it soon. I don't make near min wage, so your inferrence that I get access is as foolish as the rest of your whining drool.

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...yet we are going to have to face higher costs on our insurance due to what my govt has forced upon me and I still have to pay for other peoples insurance?

And my taxes have to pay for your war, your fucking kids (or someone's in my state) to go to school. See, everyone has a draw, just that guys like yiouy want to limit the draws to only things you like.

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That's basically stealing!

No, Bush's single penalty wa steal;ing, IMO. The wars, the grossly overbuilt military, etc are stealing. If you looked up the definition of stealing you would be embarrassed, even as a metaphor.

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I would not mind so much if I had to pay taxes but the option to drop my private insurance and get what I am already paying taxes for!

You don't have to pay taxes? Also, this law is basically just HMO reform, allowing per-existers. No public option, no single payer.

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That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school. Obj but you must keep giving us money

I think you're confused as to what is in this bill/law, it doesn't just dole out coverage, it just makes the ins cos fly a little more straight.

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How can you think it's right that family llike my wife and I have worked hard to get where we are, pay our own hc and have never asked for a handout.

It's unlikely that you have never received any so-called handout. Unemployment, etc.

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Are not eligible to use YOUR healthcare because we make too much,...

My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years. I work fucking hard and I will have it soon. I don't make near min wage, so your inferrence that I get access is as foolish as the rest of your whining drool.

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...yet we are going to have to face higher costs on our insurance due to what my govt has forced upon me and I still have to pay for other peoples insurance?

And my taxes have to pay for your war, your fucking kids (or someone's in my state) to go to school. See, everyone has a draw, just that guys like yiouy want to limit the draws to only things you like.

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That's basically stealing!

No, Bush's single penalty wa steal;ing, IMO. The wars, the grossly overbuilt military, etc are stealing. If you looked up the definition of stealing you would be embarrassed, even as a metaphor.

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I would not mind so much if I had to pay taxes but the option to drop my private insurance and get what I am already paying taxes for!

You don't have to pay taxes? Also, this law is basically just HMO reform, allowing per-existers. No public option, no single payer.

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That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school. Obj but you must keep giving us money

I think you're confused as to what is in this bill/law, it doesn't just dole out coverage, it just makes the ins cos fly a little more straight.

Are you insane?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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This law, the president and congress are about helping people and closing the priv gap; he's an awesome guy.

Wanna close the gap on my exalted middle class staus Put forth my effort-make my sacrifices-take my chances and goddamn well do it.

The black helicopters have landed, relax, this bill won't take effect for a while and when it does it won't affect that much. This is not socialized medicine, it's HMO reform at best.

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I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

So with your thinking my kids should struggle and strive, fight and force like I had to because someone else's dad rode the short bus and didnt give 2 shakes about his kids education? My goodness you must have been beaten as a child.

Punish me and my kids because they have their education paid for by me busting my ass for 20 years so they dont have to work as hard as I did.

This is why socialism sucks ass... the ones that work hard are penalized so the lazy fucks can keep up. Sure am glad our forefathers didnt think like this!

Actually I was.. and sexually molested as well

Thanks for your support

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You're a lwayer, so you're probably at minimum wage, so that's real tough. This law, the president and congress are about helping people and closing the priv gap; he's an awesome guy.

BTW, I'm sure you can afford a good plan w/o help.

Ok, now that I've stopped laughing, I'll make you a deal... I'll pay your health care premiums if you make my student loan payments. How's that sound?

Pure tangent. Yes becoming a lawyer is expensive, but it pays for itself. Tell ya what, I'll pay your school loans of you take a fucking skydrol bath everyday. You would last exactly 15 minutes and go into shock. Speaking of laughing, a lawyer whining about current pay and / or potential pay is a joke.

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This is why socialism sucks ass... the ones that work hard are penalized so the lazy fucks can keep up.

HMO reform is not socialism.

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Sure am glad our forefathers didnt think like this!

Amen brother, they believd in things like American Indian ethnocentric practices, slavery, rape and the like. We're lucky they were so well adjusted.

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How can you think it's right that family llike my wife and I have worked hard to get where we are, pay our own hc and have never asked for a handout.

It's unlikely that you have never received any so-called handout. Unemployment, etc.

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Are not eligible to use YOUR healthcare because we make too much,...

My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years. I work fucking hard and I will have it soon. I don't make near min wage, so your inferrence that I get access is as foolish as the rest of your whining drool.

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...yet we are going to have to face higher costs on our insurance due to what my govt has forced upon me and I still have to pay for other peoples insurance?

And my taxes have to pay for your war, your fucking kids (or someone's in my state) to go to school. See, everyone has a draw, just that guys like yiouy want to limit the draws to only things you like.

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That's basically stealing!

No, Bush's single penalty wa steal;ing, IMO. The wars, the grossly overbuilt military, etc are stealing. If you looked up the definition of stealing you would be embarrassed, even as a metaphor.

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I would not mind so much if I had to pay taxes but the option to drop my private insurance and get what I am already paying taxes for!

You don't have to pay taxes? Also, this law is basically just HMO reform, allowing per-existers. No public option, no single payer.

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That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school. Obj but you must keep giving us money

I think you're confused as to what is in this bill/law, it doesn't just dole out coverage, it just makes the ins cos fly a little more straight.

Are you insane?

Obviously you have no answer, so don't just use bandwidth to pretend that you actually answered.

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How can you think it's right that family llike my wife and I have worked hard to get where we are, pay our own hc and have never asked for a handout.

It's unlikely that you have never received any so-called handout. Unemployment, etc.

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Are not eligible to use YOUR healthcare because we make too much,...

My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years. I work fucking hard and I will have it soon. I don't make near min wage, so your inferrence that I get access is as foolish as the rest of your whining drool.

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...yet we are going to have to face higher costs on our insurance due to what my govt has forced upon me and I still have to pay for other peoples insurance?

And my taxes have to pay for your war, your fucking kids (or someone's in my state) to go to school. See, everyone has a draw, just that guys like yiouy want to limit the draws to only things you like.

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That's basically stealing!

No, Bush's single penalty wa steal;ing, IMO. The wars, the grossly overbuilt military, etc are stealing. If you looked up the definition of stealing you would be embarrassed, even as a metaphor.

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I would not mind so much if I had to pay taxes but the option to drop my private insurance and get what I am already paying taxes for!

You don't have to pay taxes? Also, this law is basically just HMO reform, allowing per-existers. No public option, no single payer.

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That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school. Obj but you must keep giving us money

I think you're confused as to what is in this bill/law, it doesn't just dole out coverage, it just makes the ins cos fly a little more straight.

Are you insane?

Obviously you have no answer, so don't just use bandwidth to pretend that you actually answered.

I'm with turttle on this,... Are you insane?

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But some of us work for a small business (albeit a FANTASTIC small business) that can not afford to offer "good" health care plans.

Your company may also be failing to game the system in the right way.

The big thing for smaller companies these days is Professional Employer Organizations which allow small companies to outsource the employer/employee relationship including benefits.

Companies like ADP (market cap 22.67B) can do a much better job getting good benefit deals than Mom & Pop Co.

Limits on group sizes vary with the specific PEO.

Trade organizations may also be an option for group insurance. For example, I can get insurance for small businesses through the Microsoft Alumni Network.

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How can you think it's right that family llike my wife and I have worked hard to get where we are, pay our own hc and have never asked for a handout.

It's unlikely that you have never received any so-called handout. Unemployment, etc.

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Are not eligible to use YOUR healthcare because we make too much,...

My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years. I work fucking hard and I will have it soon. I don't make near min wage, so your inferrence that I get access is as foolish as the rest of your whining drool.

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...yet we are going to have to face higher costs on our insurance due to what my govt has forced upon me and I still have to pay for other peoples insurance?

And my taxes have to pay for your war, your fucking kids (or someone's in my state) to go to school. See, everyone has a draw, just that guys like yiouy want to limit the draws to only things you like.

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That's basically stealing!

No, Bush's single penalty wa steal;ing, IMO. The wars, the grossly overbuilt military, etc are stealing. If you looked up the definition of stealing you would be embarrassed, even as a metaphor.

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I would not mind so much if I had to pay taxes but the option to drop my private insurance and get what I am already paying taxes for!

You don't have to pay taxes? Also, this law is basically just HMO reform, allowing per-existers. No public option, no single payer.

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That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school. Obj but you must keep giving us money

I think you're confused as to what is in this bill/law, it doesn't just dole out coverage, it just makes the ins cos fly a little more straight.

Are you insane?

Obviously you have no answer, so don't just use bandwidth to pretend that you actually answered.

I'm with turttle on this,... Are you insane?

Right, another response with no detail, just ask other s to jump on board. If you have no counter, how can I counter-respond to that? I can't. Anyway, since I will get nothing intelligent from you, really do enjoy Obama and our new leader; he's just been inaugurated