So tell me the good parts about the new HC Bill

[airdvr 201]

Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[crazycableguy 0]

what we got was proof that our government does whatever they want, with total disregard of what the people want.

[billvon 2,772]

>what we got was proof that our government does whatever they want,
>with total disregard of what the people want.

45% supported it, 48% opposed it in recent Gallup polls. So apparently they do what about half of americans want.

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>what we got was proof that our government does whatever they want,
>with total disregard of what the people want.
45% supported it, 48% opposed it in recent Gallup polls. So apparently they do what about half of americans want.

Which is not to say that even half the people surveyed knew what the hell was in the bill including a certain Congressman from Texas that felt it was still a "baby killer" bill.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[akarunway 1]

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Can't deny pre-exsisting and my lifetime 300k cap will be gone. The rest I'm not to happy w/.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[airdvr 201]

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Can't deny pre-exsisting and my lifetime 300k cap will be gone. The rest I'm not to happy w/.

And who will pay for those "good parts"?

Edited to add: C'mon..what'd we just get? Alot of folks here were damned sure they wanted it. Now what? You're not really sure are you...

'I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help.'

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jdfreefly 1]

I would have been happy with a bill that just covered this one thing:

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Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

Although, I'm still not clear if "sick" == "seriously injured from a voluntary activity"

And as far as paying for that...I'm pretty sure the contract I have with my insurer already says that I am paying for this and should remain covered, the difference now is that they can't just drop me to see if I have the money to fight them about it.

This was all I wanted in the health care bill and I'm actually amazed to see it in there. I haven't spent much time looking over the rest of it yet.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

I read that to only apply to people under the age of 19 the rest get to pay through the nose to get the same waiver.

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[futuredivot 0]

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[Anvilbrother 0]

Oh and if you choose not to get the insurance that your government forced upon you one of your new 15,000 irs agents will happily take this from you, including jail time in extreme cases.

"That mandate requires people to have health insurance, unless they are below a certain income threshold ($9,350 for singles, $18,700 for couples in 2009). Those who don’t get coverage will be subject to a tax of 2.5 percent of their adjusted income."

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Good one

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[loumeinhart 0]

I can smoke and drink until I'm older and no longer healthy. When I start to get sick I will get insurance. Kind of like getting auto insurance after you've wrecked your car.

[spiccoli 0]

The good part?

It probably gave a generous boost to the paper mill industry.

we need to talk about your flare..

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what we got was proof that our government does whatever they want, with total disregard of what the people want.

Just ignore this too, as I know you will, but what would the popular vote have been just pre-Emancipation Proclaimation? Right; get it? The gov doesn't alwasy go with majority rules, however about 1/2 wanted this and 1/2 did not, so there was no resoundingly clear majority rule, not that it matters.

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Can't deny pre-exsisting and my lifetime 300k cap will be gone. The rest I'm not to happy w/.

I'm basically there too. I think the states will sue and have the req to buy ins deemed unconst, which I would support and think the admin will too.

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Can't deny pre-exsisting and my lifetime 300k cap will be gone. The rest I'm not to happy w/.

And who will pay for those "good parts"?

Edited to add: C'mon..what'd we just get? Alot of folks here were damned sure they wanted it. Now what? You're not really sure are you...

'I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help.'

Same people who have paid and are paying for the grossly overbuilt military that you so embrace.

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I can smoke and drink until I'm older and no longer healthy. When I start to get sick I will get insurance. Kind of like getting auto insurance after you've wrecked your car.

I know, HC ins should be a luxury.

[loumeinhart 0]

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I know, HC ins should be a luxury.

Well, I think it would be great if we didn't need insurance at all. If medical care was super affordable for the working class then there would be no need for "insurance." Imagine if a doctor visit cost the same as an oil change, or monthly prescribtion drugs were as much as a netflix membership! Won't happen. Know why?

[crazycableguy 0]

Just ignore this too, as I know you will, but what would the popular vote have been just pre-Emancipation Proclaimation? Right; get it? The gov doesn't alwasy go with majority rules, however about 1/2 wanted this and 1/2 did not, so there was no resoundingly clear majority rule, not that it matters.

I didnt realize it was quite that close

[LongWayToFall 0]

Uh, mechanics don't need 10 years of school and a few million dollars worth of tools?

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Can't deny pre-exsisting and my lifetime 300k cap will be gone. The rest I'm not to happy w/.

And who will pay for those "good parts"?

Edited to add: C'mon..what'd we just get? Alot of folks here were damned sure they wanted it. Now what? You're not really sure are you...

'I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help.'

Well everyone insured will pay, it's the point of insurance. If you're insured NOW and someone gets sick, who pays? The collective insured pay, that's the friking point, if you're LUCKY you actually get a bum deal with insurance because you stay healthy and you only ever pay for others. Health insurance that boots you out when you get ill isn't insurance, it's a racket.

So I'm also of the opinion that these are the best parts.

Covering preexisting conditions needs safeguards, but by rendering people uninsurable (and unemployable) the insurance industry in this country invited this.

The biggest issue with this whole thing is the cost, I think people who believe claims that it will save on premiums and save the country money are extreme optimists (even if backed by the GAO as they claim). This is a massive dynamic system and costs may still balloon as they do with everything the government touches and as they did in states that tried similar strategies. And it won't stop here, the nose is under the tent now, every election cycle will tweak this and spend more.

Still there is something repugnant about such massive discrepancies in the healthcare system. People with money today didn't invent modern medicine they inherited it collectively from great pioneers in the past many of them funded by the public purse. There is no good workable solution to this that neatly matches anyone's ideology.

[futuredivot 0]

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Emancipation Proclaimation

At least that one, while it didn't do what most think it did, didn't mortgage the future. And it would have probably had a majority in what was then the USA albeit not a huge one.

It did keep Europe from extending the Civil War-which was a good thing.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[tkhayes 300]

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The biggest issue with this whole thing is the cost, I think people who believe claims that it will save on premiums and save the country money are extreme optimists (even if backed by the GAO as they claim). This is a massive dynamic system and costs may still balloon as they do with everything the government touches and as they did in states that tried similar strategies. And it won't stop here, the nose is under the tent now, every election cycle will tweak this and spend more.

so using this argument, then the government should also stop funding the military and every other program that it touches, given that everything it touches 'balloons out of control'

I am all for it, lets cut out the military!

[rushmc 18]

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

The prospect of it made the insurance company stocks shoot up yesterday

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

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Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please.

Oh, and the number one (by percentage) denier of claims in the US will now have more control of more peoples policies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln