Ron 7 #1 December 16, 2009 http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2009/12/kaplan_career_institute_teache.html QuoteCriminal justice instructor Michael Minto was leaving the Kaplan Career Institute in Swatara Township on Monday night when he spotted a man being stabbed, police said. Minto pulled his gun and ordered the attacker to drop his knife, police said. The attacker fled, and authorities said Minto’s actions likely saved the life of Dillon Mitchell, 30, of Harrisburg. Didn't have to shoot anyone, but stopped a violent attack...."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2 December 16, 2009 Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? This is all you're looking for? Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #3 December 16, 2009 Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? Why do you feel the need to comment on them? Quote This is all you're looking for? No, but I am glad we have the right to defend ourselves.... Concentration camps would not have done very well if Jew were allowed to be armed. Quote Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. Glad for you, I love my peaceful American life.... and I value life and respect the rights of citizens to defend their lives. You would rather the guy get stabbed to death ."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 December 16, 2009 Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? This is all you're looking for? Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. Crime happens. Having a way to stop crime if needed is a good thing. "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #5 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? Why do you feel the need to comment on them? Quote This is all you're looking for? No, but I am glad we have the right to defend ourselves.... Concentration camps would not have done very well if Jew were allowed to be armed. Quote Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. Glad for you, I love my peaceful American life.... and I value life and respect the rights of citizens to defend their lives. You would rather the guy get stabbed to death . Your entire reply is a poor BS. To compare any personal defense with a *concentration camp* is lowest level, dear Ron. But, do as you like. And need to do. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #6 December 16, 2009 Great job Micheal Minto!www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #7 December 16, 2009 Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? To balance the reporting of negative incidents in the media. Quote This is all you're looking for? Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. 11,000,000 - 17,000,000 Holocaust victims would disagree about how peaceful life is there if they were still alive. At our current rate, it's going to take 1375 - 2125 years for murderers using handguns to match that body count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 December 16, 2009 Quote Your entire reply is a poor BS. To compare any personal defense with a *concentration camp* is lowest level, dear Ron. But, do as you like. And need to do. WW2 references aside, would you have preferred the victim been killed? Knives will always be out there. It's not clear what your point is in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #9 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Your entire reply is a poor BS. To compare any personal defense with a *concentration camp* is lowest level, dear Ron. But, do as you like. And need to do. WW2 references aside, would you have preferred the victim been killed? Knives will always be out there. It's not clear what your point is in this thread. She has no point. It's just an opportunity for her to antagonize.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? To balance the reporting of negative incidents in the media. Quote This is all you're looking for? Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. 11,000,000 - 17,000,000 Holocaust victims would disagree about how peaceful life is there if they were still alive. At our current rate, it's going to take 1375 - 2125 years for murderers using handguns to match that body count. Oh nice! Another one still living in the past? How old are you? Since I'm walking on mother earth, I did not kill anyone. And did not send anyone to any concentration camp. How long do you think this will work, old fellow? Go back to your own history (what ever that might me) and do math on your history. Holy moly, you guys still fear Germany. Man, I'm flattened. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #11 December 16, 2009 I am not pro gun, nor am I anti-gun. I am gun neutral. But in case you have not see this, check it out: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/12/07/bc-jewellershooter.html Basically it is a story about a Jewelery store owned in Canada who pulls out his gun and shoots a would be thug who pulled his own gun first and attempted to rob the store. Of course up here in Canuckistan is was interesting news as the pro/anti gun folks squared off. PS: I lived in CO for 8 great years and not once did I ever feel threatened by a gun, as well as to show I am not bias, not once did I ever feel I needed a gun for protection (maybe I got lucky I don't know). But when criminals are allowed to run free to commit any crime they wish because they know the weak criminal justice system will not do anything to them (as it exists up in Canuckistan), I understand why some people would want to protect themselves from society's lowlife thugs. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #12 December 16, 2009 You might think differently when the Muslims have taken enough of a foothold across Europe to really be a problem. Apparently, beheading is a favorite past-time of theirs. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #13 December 16, 2009 Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? This is all you're looking for? Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. Actually the man with the gun STOPPED a bloody incident. Did you not notice that he never fired a shot? Peace is the absence of violence. In this and many other cases, the gun restored the peace you speak so highly of. A gun is like a hook knife. If you don't have one when you need one, you may never need one again...even in Germany.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #14 December 17, 2009 Quote Your entire reply is a poor BS. To compare any personal defense with a *concentration camp* is lowest level, dear Ron. Nonsense... your people rounded up innocents and killed them. But before your people did that, they made damn sure they were disarmed. Armed people would not be as easy to round up. And you seem to miss the point that this man PREVENTED violence without using violence...... But like I asked before... You would rather the guy been stabbed to death?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #15 December 17, 2009 Quote Quote Your entire reply is a poor BS. To compare any personal defense with a *concentration camp* is lowest level, dear Ron. Nonsense... your people rounded up innocents and killed them. But before your people did that, they made damn sure they were disarmed. Armed people would not be as easy to round up. And you seem to miss the point that this man PREVENTED violence without using violence...... But like I asked before... You would rather the guy been stabbed to death? and your ancestors, they padded the natives of the US on their backs, gave them a friendly hug and left them alone!? and that's just the start, you native-american murderer! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #16 December 17, 2009 How very interestingWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4000m 0 #17 December 17, 2009 QuoteNo, but I am glad we have the right to defend ourselves.... Concentration camps would not have done very well if Jew were allowed to be armed. ding ding ding --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawYoutube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #18 December 17, 2009 Quoteand your ancestors, they padded the natives of the US on their backs, gave them a friendly hug and left them alone!? Nope.... But you don't see me saying we didn't. Also, the American Indians had the right to defend themselves against the aggression, IMO."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #19 December 17, 2009 Quoteding ding ding Yes it was a statement of fact. And armed populace is not as easy to lead to a slaughter. QuoteAaron Zelman, director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) points out that every Holocaust this century, starting with Armenia and up to Ruanda, occurred after the population targeted for extinction was disarmed. We must not forget the Communist/Socialist experiments and their disarmed populations. According to the newly released "Black Book of Communism", the Soviets liquidated upwards of 30 million of their own population, the Red Chinese up to 60 million. Guns could only be found in the hands of the state, acting to "create a better place for all" to quote Chiel. http://www.innocentsbetrayed.com/ Quote First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #20 December 17, 2009 QuoteI am not pro gun, nor am I anti-gun. I am gun neutral. . Impossible. At least in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4000m 0 #21 December 17, 2009 Hi, you got me wrong. Although being German and regarding myself as totally liberal, I am pro-guns. Not that I need one. I also think the disadvantages far outweight the advantages. I even think the whole reference to the 2nd amendment is total BS (a society needs to evolve and always question decisions in the past, therefor a law, >200 years old, cannot be taken for granted just because it has always been there). But I simply don't like government restrictions in any kind or any form. A governments purpose is not to rule its people, but to implement the will of the citizens. If the majority of the population thinks guns should be banned then ban'em. If not: Let there be guns Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #22 December 17, 2009 Quote Why do you guys always have to report your bloody (more or less) incidents? This is all you're looking for? Jeez. How I love my peaceful German life. Did you forget about the 15 people killed last March in Winnenden? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7936817.stm The whole world can be a dangerious place at times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #23 December 17, 2009 QuoteI also think the disadvantages far outweight the advantages. This is where we differ. I think the disadvantages are events that would most likely happen anyway but with different tools. QuoteI even think the whole reference to the 2nd amendment is total BS (a society needs to evolve and always question decisions in the past, therefor a law, >200 years old, cannot be taken for granted just because it has always been there). Good laws stand the test of time. Do you disagree that if the Jews had the right to firearms that things would have been different?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #24 December 17, 2009 Quote I am pro-guns. Quote I also think the disadvantages far outweight the advantages. Quote I even think the whole reference to the 2nd amendment is total BS Quote But I simply don't like government restrictions Quote If the majority of the population thinks guns should be banned then ban'em. If not: Let there be guns There seems to be some conflicts within your statements. Also, the U.S. is not a pure Democracy. The majority of the population does not get to vote laws in that discriminate against the minority (at least it shouldn't). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4000m 0 #25 December 17, 2009 QuoteGood laws stand the test of time. Do you disagree that if the Jews had the right to firearms that things would have been different? To be honest: No, i don't think so. The ministry of propaganda under Joseph Goebbels worked very efficiently. It wasn't "just" the SA and later the SS, but after a while the whole country had a ultrapatriotic/fascist mindset. Normal people who were living normal lives became narrowminded, obedient facists. Guns wouldn't have prevented anything. This is also the part that really scares me, that it is possible to fill people with hate. It is definitely beyond the scope of a internet forum to discuss the whole aspects of the circumstances and I am also way offtopic.Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
