Health care reform is now dead

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Where do you think your right to free health care, paid for by someone else, comes from?

Just my opinion. Some people think Americans have a right to spend our tax dollars flying half-way around the world and killing hundreds of thousands of people that live in other countries, for no justifiable reason.

I think our tax dollars should be spent on taking care of our citizens.

To each their own.

But since the question isn't about my opinion, just about whether you think healthcare is now a moot issue, I hope you voted in the poll. Feel free to elaborate on that.

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We've got a constitutional right to drink alcohol, yet nobody seems to support the idea that the government should supply it to all for free.

Whoa, whoa!!!! Back up there. Can we revisit this?

If government beer is anything like government cheese then perhaps we shouldn't.

I remember picking up a couple of those suitcase size blocks of cheddar when living on the college budget. Until then I thought nothing could be worse than eating at Garvey Commons.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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From the land of sky blue waters. (Waters..) Comes the beer refreshing

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What about the drumbeat?. You forgot the drumbeat.

(Dum dum dum-dum, Dum dum dum-dum . . . )

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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I recall a time when that 'gumment' cheese wasn't so bad. When you're hungry enough, you're not so fussy.


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Australian hospital: No Vacancies...come back tomorrow.

Yep, same thing happened in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Nigeria, and many other countries. In the U.S. it's illegal to turn away patients (OMG! That sounds like "socialism") On the other hand, if you are pregnant, you might get shot and killed in a U.S. hospital.

The poll wasn't about the merits of government healthcare, nor about gun control, it was whether or not you think there will be any change.

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On the other hand, if you are pregnant, you might get shot and killed in a U.S. hospital.

Um the article says she was shot in her apartment.

But come on...Did you really expect this thread to stay on topic?

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Health care as a "right?". I can see that.

Much like the right to gun ownership. It doesn't mean that the government supplies everybody guns. It means that if you want to bear arms, you will have to bear the cost.

So, would you support that a "right" means that the government pays to give it to you? We've got a constitutional right to drink alcohol, yet nobody seems to support the idea that the government should supply it to all for free.

OUTSTANDING post - a right is NOT something the gov't SUPPLIES to you.

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From the land of sky blue waters. (Waters..) Comes the beer refreshing

Had to fix it.

I remember that commercial....

Mike
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I couldn't say it any better than this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-not-everything-i_b_244050.html

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Where do you think your right to free health care, paid for by someone else, comes from?

Just my opinion. Some people think Americans have a right to spend our tax dollars flying half-way around the world and killing hundreds of thousands of people that live in other countries, for no justifiable reason.

I think our tax dollars should be spent on taking care of our citizens.

I'd prefer neither, thanks.

I think Americans have a right to keep the money they earned, and not have politicians spend it to appease whoever gave money to their election campaigns.

I realize that's a somewhat revolutionary and very politically incorrect opinion.

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From the land of sky blue waters. (Waters..) Comes the beer refreshing

Had to fix it.

Thanks

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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From the land of sky blue waters. (Waters..) Comes the beer refreshing

Had to fix it.

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"From the land of sky blue waters (waters),
"From the land of pines, lofty balsams,
"Comes the beer refreshing,
"Hamm's, the beer refreshing."

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I couldn't say it any better than this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-not-everything-i_b_244050.html

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And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!

Is billvon a writer for Bill Maher now?

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Some people think Americans have a right to spend our tax dollars flying half-way around the world and killing hundreds of thousands of people that live in other countries, for no justifiable reason.

What's justificiation for others ain't for you. What's justification for you ain't for others.

Personally, I prefer the "Let me keep my damned money and don't go spending it for the concentrated benefit of anyone."

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To each their own.

EXACTLY! To each their own, and nobody else's.

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Personally, I prefer the "Let me keep my damned money and don't go spending it for the concentrated benefit of anyone."

Fortunately, here in the USA, our Constitution empowers Congress to pass legislation to prevent such selfish philosophies from prevailing.

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Personally, I prefer the "Let me keep my damned money and don't go spending it for the concentrated benefit of anyone."

Fortunately, here in the USA, our Constitution empowers Congress to pass legislation to prevent such selfish philosophies from prevailing.

Without such "selfish philosophies" you probably wouldn't have a computer on which to type that statement.

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Personally, I prefer the "Let me keep my damned money and don't go spending it for the concentrated benefit of anyone."

Fortunately, here in the USA, our Constitution empowers Congress to pass legislation to prevent such selfish philosophies from prevailing.

Without such "selfish philosophies" you probably wouldn't have a computer on which to type that statement.

Considering my OS is a FreeBSD derivative, it could also be said that without communist-like FOSS philosophies, I wouldn't have a computer that does anything but flash a light to let me know whether or not it is powered on.

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Personally, I prefer the "Let me keep my damned money and don't go spending it for the concentrated benefit of anyone."

Fortunately, here in the USA, our Constitution empowers Congress to pass legislation to prevent such selfish philosophies from prevailing.

"When you spread the money around, it's good for everyone" - Barry O.

Those who promise to rob Peter to pay Paul will always have Paul's enthusiastic support.

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Personally, I prefer the "Let me keep my damned money and don't go spending it for the concentrated benefit of anyone."

Fortunately, here in the USA, our Constitution empowers Congress to pass legislation to prevent such selfish philosophies from prevailing.

Without such "selfish philosophies" you probably wouldn't have a computer on which to type that statement.

Considering my OS is a FreeBSD derivative, it could also be said that without communist-like FOSS philosophies, I wouldn't have a computer that does anything but flash a light to let me know whether or not it is powered on.

I'm going to assume you're referring Mac OSX, an OS that was created by a for-profit entity.

And your reference to communism in regards to community developed software is anything but accurate. While peoples' efforts may benefit the whole of the community, most developers probably wouldn't be involved in them if there weren't other compelling reasons to do so.

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Those who promise to rob Peter to pay Paul will always have Paul's enthusiastic support.

So, you're saying that there is a direct correlation between economic philosophy and income?

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http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending


Interesting charts on spending for military vs. health care.

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I'm going to assume you're referring Mac OSX, an OS that was created modified by a for-profit entity.

Many parts of it are also re-released into the FOSS community (e.g. Darwin).

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And your reference to communism in regards to community developed software is anything but accurate.

It's quite accurate. FOSS with community developers is a very good example of from each according to his ability; to each according to his need.

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While peoples' efforts may benefit the whole of the community, most developers probably wouldn't be involved in them if there weren't other compelling reasons to do so.

My experience has been that software that is developed for free (or donations), of passion, is generally superior to software that is developed for profit.

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I do think that healthcare is a right.

Where do you think your right to free health care, paid for by someone else, comes from?

Some would point to the DOI:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If someone does not have enough money to treat a terminal illness and dies because of it, what happened to their right to life as described above?

Granted, it's not the Constitution but it is a pretty strong indication that the founding fathers did consider it a right.

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It's quite accurate. FOSS with community developers is a very good example of from each according to his ability; to each according to his need.

If you completely ignore the fact that they are making a choice to give their time, then I'd say it's a good example.

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My experience has been that software that is developed for free (or donations), of passion, is generally superior to software that is developed for profit.

I'd say that software developed by people who enjoying spending their time developing software is generally more reliable software.

But better? Over 99% of PC users disagree with that statement.

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If you completely ignore the fact that they are making a choice to give their time, then I'd say it's a good example.

You seem to be confusing communism with Communism, the latter (with the capital C) is not really an example of the former (which has no government, let alone an authoritarian government).

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But better? Over 99% of PC users disagree with that statement.

BS. Of informed consumers, i.e. those consumers who no what options are available and know the differences between the various options, MS has nowhere close to a 99% market share.

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