Why can't people just work for what they want?

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Since when is basic infrastucture Socialism?

Makes you wonder how the Roman built roads, 1000s of years before Marx came along.

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Since when is basic infrastucture Socialism?

Makes you wonder how the Roman built roads, 1000s of years before Marx came along.

Uh . . . that would be the whole slave thing. All in all I'll take socialism over slavery any day.

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Since when is basic infrastucture Socialism?

Makes you wonder how the Roman built roads, 1000s of years before Marx came along.

they built them the very slow and arduous way with stones and bricks and lots of taxes and forced manual labour - but then marx invented tarmac which improved things a lot

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I believe in Harpo-Marxism, which is an economy based on stolen silverware.

once again we come back to the bankers

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Since when is basic infrastucture Socialism?

Makes you wonder how the Roman built roads, 1000s of years before Marx came along.

Uh . . . that would be the whole slave thing. All in all I'll take socialism over slavery any day.

DAMMIT! Now I have to say I agree with you on this - and that was my reaction to the question - "Hmm - I think that was slavery!"

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I believe in Harpo-Marxism, which is an economy based on stolen silverware.

once again we come back to the bankers

Bankers are NOT politicians! Well, they WEREN'T!

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"Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth but socialism is the equal distribution of poverty."

In the early 90's, I was living in a country struggling with a socialism hangover. I heard a joke while I was there, that's stuck with me. It's actually a bit funnier in Hungarian, but roughly translated:

"What is Socialism? The solution to problems that we otherwise wouldn't have."

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"Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth but socialism is the equal distribution of poverty."

In the early 90's, I was living in a country struggling with a socialism hangover. I heard a joke while I was there, that's stuck with me. It's actually a bit funnier in Hungarian, but roughly translated:

"What is Socialism? The solution to problems that we otherwise wouldn't have."

No doubt!!

I remember another one (don't recall the source, though) It's something like "Socialism works fine until you run out of someone else's money"

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Not willy-nilly by any means. I am worried. No, we are not totally socialist yet. But, BHO wants to take us in that direction. When I served in the military we considered socialism as belonging to the enemy.

The Military-Industrial complex is the biggest example of socialism in this country.

With a budget larger than the entire rest of the world put together and over thirty times bigger than a first world country with the same landmass and border length (Canada) the military is more about government spending and putting people to work than defense.

Although the share holders own companies like General Dynamics, they owe their existence (or at least size) to the American government.

The classic definition of Socialism is the government owning and controlling the means of production.

Free family housing, day care, medical care, technical training. Subsidized food and housing. Most Republicans would agree that's socialism.

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was it one of the socialist (government run) militaries you served in

I'm not following your thought. I was in the USAF, stationed at a special operations base, now USAF Special Operations HQ.

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Not willy-nilly by any means. I am worried. No, we are not totally socialist yet. But, BHO wants to take us in that direction. When I served in the military we considered socialism as belonging to the enemy.

Thank you for your service to our country.

Americans can be so stupid sometimes!

For fucks sake, when you took tor pay, in the army, you were being socilaist, when you drive on your freeways, you are being socialist, when you watch you space shuttle launch into space, you are socialist.

think about it?

you are your own enemy you damned commie!

No! When I took my pay I was being compensated for the job I performed. I was willing to take less money at the time in order to preserve my right to be an independent conservative capitalist later.

Now for a kiwi to call me a commie is insulting but I forgive you because of your upbringing. Now we had better stop this line or we will both get thumped by the Mod power.

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Free family housing, day care, medical care, technical training. Subsidized food and housing. Most Republicans would agree that's socialism.

I would not call it "free" anymore than I consider my health care from my company "free". It was part of my compensation packages in both cases. I have had company cars... Again, not "free", but a part of my total compensation. I have had "free" airfare.... In all these cases, I performed a service and and received different things in compensation.

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What are you smoking?

Since when is basic infrastucture Socialism?

If you MUST make a point about it - we took our first major step toward a Socialistic existence when we initiated income tax.

And BTW - I live on a private road.

socialism
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


Now because you read the third description last, do not forget the first description.

Socialism is not about the govornment controlling things, it is about the people having the ultimate control.

You lot seem to be OK with corporations taking over the very things our families have worked for over many generations.

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You lot seem to be OK with corporations taking over the very things our families have worked for over many generations.

And what corporations would that be, rhys... give us some modern-day examples.

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You lot seem to be OK with corporations taking over the very things our families have worked for over many generations.

And what corporations would that be, rhys... give us some modern-day examples.

Archer Daniels Midland?
K-Mart?
Starbucks?

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I personally like you to do it because I enjoy the shiny paper and fluffy bows.

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was it one of the socialist (government run) militaries you served in

I'm not following your thought. I was in the USAF, stationed at a special operations base, now USAF Special Operations HQ.

you were a government employee - paid for from taxpayers hard earned dollars

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you guys (americans) go around in circles day after day after day

how many more years is it going to take for you to realise that any extremist position is not going to work be it extreme left or extreme right

obama is the closest thing to a centralist politician you have had in a long time because you guys cant stand certain words that you hardly even know the meaning off(socialist being what the enemy was being a classic quote from this very thread) capitalism / socialism / communism being just a few

america has great great qualities but your blind leading the blind polarised politics is not one of them

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was it one of the socialist (government run) militaries you served in

I'm not following your thought. I was in the USAF, stationed at a special operations base, now USAF Special Operations HQ.

you were a government employee - paid for from taxpayers hard earned dollars

Believe it or not us 'government' emloyees pay fed taxes too.
(Kind of a mind fuck to think you're paying your own salery)

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Believe it or not us 'government' emloyees pay fed taxes too.

(Kind of a mind fuck to think you're paying your own salery)

if it works the same as it does in my country(ireland)then technically your not really

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was it one of the socialist (government run) militaries you served in

I'm not following your thought. I was in the USAF, stationed at a special operations base, now USAF Special Operations HQ.

you were a government employee - paid for from taxpayers hard earned dollars

Believe it or not us 'government' emloyees pay fed taxes too.
(Kind of a mind fuck to think you're paying your own salery)

but if you add up all the taxes you pay it is is only a small fraction of the amount that the military is subsidised by the rest of us

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Not willy-nilly by any means. I am worried. No, we are not totally socialist yet. But, BHO wants to take us in that direction. When I served in the military we considered socialism as belonging to the enemy.

The Military-Industrial complex is the biggest example of socialism in this country.

With a budget larger than the entire rest of the world put together and over thirty times bigger than a first world country with the same landmass and border length (Canada) the military is more about government spending and putting people to work than defense.

Although the share holders own companies like General Dynamics, they owe their existence (or at least size) to the American government.

The classic definition of Socialism is the government owning and controlling the means of production.

Free family housing, day care, medical care, technical training. Subsidized food and housing. Most Republicans would agree that's socialism.

Well, I understand what you are saying. However, the U.S. Constitution provides for a national defense military. What you call free is compensation for service.

When I was in basic training I was told that we served in a nondemocractic organization to preserve liberty, justice and freedom. The government should control all that makes up the military. Its size is directly dependent on the control of the U.S. Congress.

Now I receive health care benefits from the VA and they treat me well. However, I would hate to see that system implemented throughout the entire nation. Why? Because it would be squandered on people who didn't earn it.

Furthermore, because of the problems inherent in the VA system, I also carry private insurance. The VA is my primary care physician. When I need special treatment I turn to the capitalistic health care system. So far so good.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Not willy-nilly by any means. I am worried. No, we are not totally socialist yet. But, BHO wants to take us in that direction. When I served in the military we considered socialism as belonging to the enemy.

The Military-Industrial complex is the biggest example of socialism in this country.

With a budget larger than the entire rest of the world put together and over thirty times bigger than a first world country with the same landmass and border length (Canada) the military is more about government spending and putting people to work than defense.

Although the share holders own companies like General Dynamics, they owe their existence (or at least size) to the American government.

The classic definition of Socialism is the government owning and controlling the means of production.

Free family housing, day care, medical care, technical training. Subsidized food and housing. Most Republicans would agree that's socialism.

Well, I understand what you are saying. However, the U.S. Constitution provides for a national defense military. What you call free is compensation for service.

When I was in basic training I was told that we served in a nondemocractic organization to preserve liberty, justice and freedom. The government should control all that makes up the military. Its size is directly dependent on the control of the U.S. Congress.

Now I receive health care benefits from the VA and they treat me well. However, I would hate to see that system implemented throughout the entire nation. Why? Because it would be squandered on people who didn't earn it.

Furthermore, because of the problems inherent in the VA system, I also carry private insurance. The VA is my primary care physician. When I need special treatment I turn to the capitalistic health care system. So far so good.

i think your missing his point

his point is not that it is necessarily wrong but that it is a socialist infrastructure supported by a so called capitalist structure and there is hypocrisy in peoples attitudes to how things should work

the only thing that will work is a mixture of the two

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was it one of the socialist (government run) militaries you served in

I'm not following your thought. I was in the USAF, stationed at a special operations base, now USAF Special Operations HQ.

you were a government employee - paid for from taxpayers hard earned dollars

Hussain controlled Iraq paid their soldiers, not much - but they were paid - was that a socialist country?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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