mnealtx 0 #51 July 23, 2008 QuoteYour CDS is showing again...Some of those smell as well... but by far the worst stench I have run across is on trips to your state...Did you notice where Mount Vernon Anacortes is on that list for BEST////?? By the way. Anacortes has an oil refinery...and they still get a good ranking.. And what is "CDS" considered to be THIS time, in Jeanne-world? California derangement syndrome? I like Cali just fine - wouldn't care to live there, but don't mind visiting every now and then.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #52 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf all 300+ million people in the US would actually start giving a shit abpout each other then the country would truly be great. If you would check your facts you would find out that the US is one of the most giving/donating countrys in the world. If not the most. Try again. And it's citizens kill each other at a higher rate than any other western industrialized nation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #53 July 23, 2008 Quote Quote i have seen the most retarded Vehicles i have ever seen while being in the USA, In LA more than 50%of the cars were gas guzzlers, heaps of 4x4's that will never see mud or snow. Money can buy clean air and clean water can't it, who gives a shit about the environment anyway I find it funny that some on here who claim to be such an enviromentalist and want to cut fossil fuel burn turn around on the weekened and go support a DZ who burns Jet-A like crazy. Those Otters, Skyvans, Casa'a and Kingairs have a nasty habit of (as the enviro's love to say) guzzle fuel. You can try to preach all you want. But dont expect most people to take you serious when your preaching as your running to get on a load. Sustainability is not the same as abstinence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #54 July 23, 2008 Quote And what is "CDS" considered to be THIS time, in Jeanne-world? California derangement syndrome? I figured you would find some way to blame Clinton... oh thats right you guys blame Gore... never mind... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #55 July 23, 2008 Rhys, Devoll - cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #56 July 23, 2008 yes BillI'm used to saying that since jumping at Lodi Quote I find it funny that some on here who claim to be such an enviromentalist and want to cut fossil fuel burn turn around on the weekened and go support a DZ who burns Jet-A like crazy. Those Otters, Skyvans, Casa'a and Kingairs have a nasty habit of (as the enviro's love to say) guzzle fuel. You can try to preach all you want. But dont expect most people to take you serious when your preaching as your running to get on a load. at my dropzone we use a cresco, it burns around 60litres of Jet A1 taking ten jumpers or 5 tandems to altitude. with a complete sortie time of around 16 minutes going to 14k, most other aircraft would be less efficient. Our DZO likes this aircraft because it makes him more money than other aircraft/is more efficient. 1 person sitting in a chevy suburban (that name says it all) chewing through shitloads of petrol getting to work is not efficient, the difference is that MOST other options would be more efficient. the suburban and all SUV's for that matter have no practical value for 1 person commuting. period. I don't think people should stop having fun, and I don't think we should stop driving cars, but i do think we should use our brains when it comes to efficiency."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #57 July 23, 2008 Quoteat my dropzone we use a cresco, it burns around 60litres of Jet A1 taking ten jumpers or 5 tandems to altitude. with a complete sortie time of around 16 minutes going to 14k, So about 16 gallons of Jet-A per turn. Quote1 person sitting in a chevy suburban (that name says it all) chewing through shitloads of petrol getting to work is not efficient, Maybe not. But thats his choice not your. If he wants to pay for the gas let him. Who are you to tell him what or how to drive? Quotethe suburban and all SUV's for that matter have no practical value for 1 person commuting. period. I happen to agree with you. But who am I to tell him what to drive? It's their choice. QuoteI don't think people should stop having fun, and I don't think we should stop driving cars, but i do think we should use our brains when it comes to efficiency. So many people say we need to drive more efficienly. Ok. I would love a truck that gets 80mpg but they dont exist. I cannot be more efficient with my mode of transportation it the product doesnt exist.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #58 July 23, 2008 Quote So about 16 gallons of Jet-A per turn. Yeah not bad eh Quote Maybe not. But thats his choice not your. If he wants to pay for the gas let him. Who are you to tell him what or how to drive? I never told anyone what to do, but i am also free to think these people are morons, especially when the complain about the price of gas. Quote I happen to agree with you. But who am I to tell him what to drive? It's their choice. as above. Quote So many people say we need to drive more efficienly. Ok. I would love a truck that gets 80mpg but they dont exist. I cannot be more efficient with my mode of transportation it the product doesnt exist. There is a difference between being efficient and being unrealistic, with hybrid big rigs already on the road, who is to say what the future holds. trade your suburban for a corolla or a yaris and in a year you will save enough for a nice holiday."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #59 July 23, 2008 QuoteSo about 16 gallons of Jet-A per turn. Yeah not bad eh So with 10 jumpers about 1.6 gallons per jumper per jump. Way more than what my truck buns on an average day. QuoteI never told anyone what to do, but i am also free to think these people are morons, especially when the complain about the price of gas. Most people driving Escalades are not worried about $4.00 fuel. Quotetrade your suburban for a corolla or a yaris and in a year you will save enough for a nice holiday. Never owned a Suburban. I'm a Ford man myself. Well I have a Maxima so not 100% ford man anymore. My little Ranger does fairly well on the road. The yaris will never be in my driveway with the feedback I have heard from that thing. I rode in one the other day. What a piece of shit. If thats the best they can do I would rather walk.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #60 July 23, 2008 Quote I cannot be more efficient with my mode of transportation it the product doesnt exist. Not like you could change your mode of transportation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #61 July 23, 2008 Quote So with 10 jumpers about 1.6 gallons per jumper per jump. Way more than what my truck buns on an average day. what do you suggest as a more efiicient way of getting to 14000'? you could use a pushbike for traveling such a short distance, I do Quote Most people driving Escalades are not worried about $4.00 fuel. Though hard to prove because they wouldn't admit it, but they probably give a shit as much as the next man. Quote If thats the best they can do I would rather walk. is there a race between your home and your workplace?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #62 July 23, 2008 QuoteNot like you could change your mode of transportation. What do you suggest? I live 33 miles away from where I work. Not like I can walk.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #63 July 23, 2008 Quote what do you suggest as a more efiicient way of getting to 14000'? I'm not gonna suggest anything. I prefer the Otter as my ship of choice. I'm not the one yelling about conservation as I run to a turbine powered aircraft just for my amusement. Quote you could use a pushbike for traveling such a short distance, I do What distance? Quote Though hard to prove because they wouldn't admit it, but they probably give a shit as much as the next man. Probably, wont argue that point. Quote is there a race between your home and your workplace? You ever drive the New Jersey Turnpike? It's like the LeMan's out there!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #64 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteNot like you could change your mode of transportation. What do you suggest? I live 33 miles away from where I work. Not like I can walk. Well judging by the post after this one you live around Jersey. There has to be public trasportation. Now I know it would take long as hell (I've taken public transportation in Chicago quite a bit) but still you could take public transportation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #65 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteMetropolitan Areas with the Worst Ozone Air Pollution Rank Metropolitan Statistical Areas 1 LOS ANGELES-RIVERSIDE-ORANGE COUNTY, CA 2 FRESNO, CA 3 BAKERSFIELD, CA 4 VISALIA- -PORTERVILLE, CA 5 HOUSTON-BAYTOWN-HUNTSVILLE, TX CMSA 6 MERCED, CA 7 SACRAMENTO-ARDEN-ARCADE--TRUCKEE, CA-NV 8 HANFORD-CORCORAN, CA 9 KNOXVILLE-SEVIERVILLE-LA FOLLETTE, TN 10 DALLAS-FORT WORTH, TX CMSA Most of these places (in california) are effected by natural fires, we had to stop jumping the other day due to smoke/visibility. you could hardly say that bakersfield and fresno are large metropolotan areas pumping out pollution. LA certainly is but these stats don't really mean what you think they do. Who fed you that line? The fires are rarely a contributer to pollution levels, and particularly in ozone, which is what this list shows. Bakersfield, Fresno, Visalia, Merced, Hanford get a lot of the pollution from LA's millions of cars. They're all the same region - the CA central valley. In the past, there was also a history of burning rice fields, but I believe that's been gone for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #66 July 23, 2008 Quote While in scandanavia, i never saw 1 homeless person, and the place was clean, the people educated and healthy. Well, of course. He'd freeze. Even in the Bay Area it's amazing how much the 'homeless' population varies with the temperature. And on your point about those Scandinavian nations have fewer people due to mindset - you're right. Man's mindset is that they would rather immigrate (legally or not) the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #67 July 23, 2008 Quote Like I said, I would love to live in a free country someday. Yes, it's a terrible shame to see how badly oppressed you are in the US. I cry about it often, during my prayers for the Almighty to give you a less horrible life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #68 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuote Like I said, I would love to live in a free country someday. Yes, it's a terrible shame to see how badly oppressed you are in the US. I'm as confident there are worse palaces as I am that there are better.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #69 July 23, 2008 QuoteWell judging by the post after this one you live around Jersey. There has to be public trasportation. Now I know it would take long as hell (I've taken public transportation in Chicago quite a bit) but still you could take public transportation. The problem is getting from the train station to where I work. Believe me I have already beat that issue into the ground. I wish I could take the train to work. I only live 3 miles from a station. My wife takes the train everyday into Manhattan. Hell we even got a carpool just to go to the train. It's nice since everybody who rides with her, they rotate who is paying for the gas. I only pay about once every 6-8 weeks depending on how much we drive on the weekend.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #70 July 23, 2008 Quote Quote Quote It has to do with reigning in capitalism and exerting control over personal liberty. Please explain??? Capitalism is what makes a "good" country run. Forcing higher public programs in the name of the environment, creates over regulation, socialism...the very thing that has been crippling Europe's economies for decades. The environmental movement wants to see an end to the open market we currently have and see a migration to government bureaucracy controlling what you drive, how much power you consume, where you can go, what you can do, all based on carbon footprint/energy consumption. The free market has solutions to energy consumption and the responsible use of all sources of energy. T. Boone Pickens is fronting billions of his own money to fund solar and wind power. The Solar Energy Industry Assoc. is preparing to abandon their plans for vast solar farms in Nevada. The Texas development is being blocked as well. Martha's Vinyard - blocked. By whom? Mostly environmentalists - including the Wilderness Society. The Kennedys are the main road block to Martha's Vinyard. There are other parties that aren't all that happy about other energy sources, but when they confronted with the reality that Americans will actually do it, they want more environmental impact studies, or they don't want some "evil rich man" to do it...they want the government to do it. Them damn soclialist bastards. Too bad I payed 50 grand for heath care in the last five yrs. and when needed it "sorry, your insurance expired" Least ya get free health care. And yes. I'm getting dual citizenship w/ Canada and promptly renouncing my USA citizenship to go EU BABY. And guess what. Get a BIG FUCKIN FAT SS CHECK>http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.htmlExplain that?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #71 July 23, 2008 Quote Quote You being from USA can pretty much travel to and live in most countrys in the world. Please do move if you do not understand how good of an opertunity you have in the US. Yes, but in order to be able to compete in foreign labor markets, I need an education that surpasses the standards of a US secondary school diploma. Like I said, I would love to live in a free country someday. Indoctrination is a better word. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #72 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuotewhat do you suggest as a more efiicient way of getting to 14000'? I'm not gonna suggest anything. I prefer the Otter as my ship of choice. I'm not the one yelling about conservation as I run to a turbine powered aircraft just for my amusement. Suggest you look up "SUSTAINABILITY". It's not about abstinence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #73 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuotePlease explain??? Capitalism is what makes a "good" country run. Socialism is what makes a good country run, capitalism makes a shitload of cash for a few and fuck all for most. You'll find the standard of living much higher in sweden and norway than it is in america. gas is more expensive there than anywhere in the world but they also earn more and pay more taxes. the whole "I wanna pay less tax and less for fuel and fuck anyone else" attitude in the USA is holding the country back. If all 300+ million people in the US would actually start giving a shit abpout each other then the country would truly be great. The only countries ahead of the USA in per capita GNI are very small and relatively small economies that have a very limited burden on their social welfare systems and/or are very specialized and somewhat closed economies. Norway is one of them, Sweden is not. There is no country anywhere near the size of the US economy that has as high or higher GNI. And Sweden is actually below the US. Your other statements are just a matter of opinion, and everybody is entitled to their own; but your statement about income is very misleading. Bermuda and Lichtenstein have much higher income per person too, but it is foolish to compare them to economies of scale. I have no wish to fuck everyone else; but I would like to see more people take more responsibility for their lot in life. That is the crux of freedom and liberty, and it meshes nicely with free markets and capitalism. Being mothered from cradle to grave fits very nicely with central planning and socialism." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,123 #74 July 23, 2008 Article about country-happiness ratings in that bastion of socialistic thinking, "Forbes." Most rich Americans are happy with what they have because they've been socialized to think that's what makes you happy. Most poor Americans are raised with the envy that ready access to information about what everyone else has that you don't brings. It's about celebrating what we have, rather than being pissed off about what we don't have. For the record, I think it's appalling both that we don't make health care more accessible, and that there are so many people who expect others to take care of them. People aren't exactly all alike, are they? Further note to "I am happy so if you're not like me you can't be happy" people: enjoy your life, don't spend so much time thinking about others'. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #75 July 23, 2008 All very true, and the ultimate in subjective indices. Happiness that is. I heard that the happiness self-rating was highest in Denmark - - mostly because there expectations were so low. An FYI for those following the thread and that may care: the world economy is about $65 trillion. Of that, the shares break out roughly as: 20% USA 20% EU 10% China 7% Japan 2 to 4% each - India, Germany, UK, Russia, and France. Economic systems have their advantages and disadvantages. Someone claiming theirs is the way everybody should be, or the way any particular state should be, is very provincial. That includes our own generation of blue-hairs that still seem to think we should start wars to install democracy and capitalism overseas. Free markets do seem to be the most effective option for large economies. At a certain point in scale the apparatus to centrally plan a large economy becomes a burden rather than an enhancement to the actual means of production." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
