hymandd732 0 #1 September 7, 2007 In all sincerity I must disclose skydiving's downfall as a sport and emergence as a profit making industry. Dropzones are little more than tandem factories at the present time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #3 September 7, 2007 Welcome to Corporate Skydiving inc. Club skydiving died in the early 90's Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #4 September 7, 2007 One of the my primary motivating factors for taking up BASE. The people are in it for the total experience - friends, travel, sneaking around, pushing limits...and jumping. And the jump tickets are cheap as hell.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #5 September 7, 2007 QuoteOne of the my primary motivating factors for taking up BASE. The people are in it for the total experience - friends, travel, sneaking around, pushing limits...and jumping. And the jump tickets are cheap as hell. Really? I thought some trespassing tickets are over $500.00? I definately could be wrong because I don't base. jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #6 September 7, 2007 What is it with all this whining from skydiving's senior citizens? death of skydiving thread deteriation of skydiving This is not a PA (I'm pretty close to your age ... I'm almost 53 ... but I can't stand to hear anyone whine.) So which is it guys ... which is the downfall (death) of skydiving ... tandems or the new generation of skydivers? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #7 September 7, 2007 More than that...and most agencies permanently keep your gear now as "evidence." Don't get me started about the NPS - they'll kill you too. Literally. Just don't get caught. - Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 September 7, 2007 Quote In all sincerity I must disclose skydiving's downfall as a sport and emergence as a profit making industry. Dropzones are little more than tandem factories at the present time. Skydive Las Vegas was a tandem factory 12 years ago when I went. Sport seems to still be around. Perris seems bigger than ever. The only Bay Area tandem factory is suffering. The phrase you're looking for is industry maturity. Surfing died that death a long time ago too - Huntington Beach ripped up downtown, forced out all surf vendors but Jack's, and now it's a glitzy promenade where the meters run 7x24x365. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #9 September 7, 2007 Ahh, another non-BASE jumper who thinks that all BASE jumps are illegal. I heard that all skydivers can talk to each other in freefall, right? Anyway, yes, skydiving has definately changed for the worse at many DZ's. Fun jumpers get bumped so the tandems can stay in the air. PS. What has Sangiro done to this forum? When you type "BASE JUMP", it automatically links to his "other" website. Lame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QuoteI thought some trespassing tickets are over $500.00? I definately could be wrong because I don't base.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #10 September 7, 2007 Quote In all sincerity I must disclose skydiving's downfall as a sport and emergence as a profit making industry. Dropzones are little more than tandem factories at the present time. And yet when I turn up to the DZ I know that I have good friends, great laughs and excellent skydives waiting for me. Fuck the rest of that politics shit.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 September 7, 2007 QuoteAhh, another non-BASE jumper who thinks that all BASE jumps are illegal. I heard that all skydivers can talk to each other in freefall, right? whoa, cowboy. Not sure a value judgement was being made there, just noting that some jumps result in a pretty onerous cost. Yosemite is much worse than $500, though seems like it still might be worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #12 September 7, 2007 I had actually started skydiving as a way to get into BASE, but then I found out that a large percentage of the people in BASE are egomaniacs who don't respect private property or even public property where jumping is prohibited. Most are not like that, but enough are that I decided I didn't want to be a part of that crowd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #13 September 7, 2007 Quote Ahh, another non-BASE jumper who thinks that all BASE jumps are illegal. I heard that all skydivers can talk to each other in freefall, right? Anyway, yes, skydiving has definately changed for the worse at many DZ's. Fun jumpers get bumped so the tandems can stay in the air. PS. What has Sangiro done to this forum? When you type "BASE JUMP", it automatically links to his "other" website. Lame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote I thought some trespassing tickets are over $500.00? I definately could be wrong because I don't base. Touchy touchy. So sorry. Who pizzed in your wheaties this morning. I was just commenting on the price of a ticket. I know not all base jumps are illegal. Geez are all basejumpers this sensative?The guy I responded to didn't get all up in arms. j IBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #14 September 7, 2007 I wouldn't say the percentage is THAT large - but there are tools, just like everywhere else. You must have had bad luck with the folks you ran into. Ya just bitch slap 'em like any other unruly aquaintance - they can be taught.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #15 September 7, 2007 Quote Geez are all basejumpers this sensative? I wouldn't know.....I'm a "parachutist" Perhaps in 20 years BASE will be catering to whuffos with "tandem BASE jumps". You never know.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 September 7, 2007 Quote In all sincerity I must disclose skydiving's downfall as a sport and emergence as a profit making industry. Dropzones are little more than tandem factories at the present time. SKydiving has, in your opinion, experienced a downfall. Was the pun intended? ALL sports have profit as a motive. ALL of them. When you get to the upper levels, PROFIT dominates. If a DZO couldn't make any money, do you think a DZO would stay a DZO? Nope. How many people nowadays are satisfied with a 182? The modern skydiver demands aircraft that can get to altitude quickly, thus to make more jumps during the time they have available. How many want covered packing areas? Video rooms? Gear stores? tHE FIRST 6-way star was 1964. By 1973, it was a 27-way. And a 32-way by 1975. In 1995, the 62-way took a record, with a 100 way in 1997. Yes, things change. It was not a huge stress to get some beat up plane, some old ratty canopy held together with duct tape to cover the holes from a cow chewing it being trained by some dude with 6 jumps to his name. (Ask bill booth about this). So, when you've got demands for alternate landing areas, swoop ponds, turbine aircraft, etc., the costs tend to increase. Tandem factories? They serve a legitimate purpose. Sport jumpers go elsewhere and THOSE places serve a purpose. It aint' the good old days. But it also ain't the "bad new days." They are just different, as is everything. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #17 September 7, 2007 QuoteSport jumpers go elsewhere and THOSE places serve a purpose True statement. A dropzone opened this year...single 182 outfit...and it's the most fun I've had skydiving in 16 years. Abbie would bump a tandem if you ask nicely and slap him on the ass maybe. Read the part about free coaching "if we like you." That's just good shit. Snake River- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #18 September 7, 2007 >>Perris seems bigger than ever.No way. A typical weekend/weekday was generally larger (more jumpers) in the 80s and early 90s. And look at Lake Elsinore (a DZ I love) it's practically a ghost town now compared to back then . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hymandd732 0 #19 September 7, 2007 Well, If it wasn't for "senior citizens" you wouldn't be around to make smart ass remarks.Freefall Hall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hymandd732 0 #20 September 7, 2007 "whining" have you taken your medication today? Intelligent discourse and whining are as different as jumpers out to prove something to their girl friends and jumpers who jump for joy.Freefall Hall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 September 8, 2007 Quote"whining" have you taken your medication today? Intelligent discourse and whining are as different as jumpers out to prove something to their girl friends and jumpers who jump for joy. And what part of your OP in the thread WASN'T a whine, pray tell? Make some solid points and discuss them.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hymandd732 0 #22 September 8, 2007 While the major dropzones continue to entertain the hard core team jumpers i.e., Deland etc. dozens of smaller DZ's on which the majority of people in this sport depend have turned almost totally to the profit making operation of tandems to the detriment of fun jumpers on their way up to hard core. How's that for a good argument?Freefall Hall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 September 8, 2007 MUCH better!! (But I don't think you're going to find a WHOLE lot of disagreement with your premise!)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #24 September 8, 2007 QuoteWell, If it wasn't for "senior citizens" you wouldn't be around to make smart ass remarks. I'm not exactly a whipper snapper. My first jump was 1977 (military) I still say it is whining. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #25 September 8, 2007 Quote tHE FIRST 6-way star was 1964. By 1973, it was a 27-way. And a 32-way by 1975. In 1995, the 62-way took a record, with a 100 way in 1997. . The first 100 way was in 1986. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
