What did Jesus look like???

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I was referring to something more apparent: the trinity.

3 != 1.

Look up the Council of Nicaea -- what you believe is the result of a vote that the emperor Constantine organized.

***The Council of Nicea did not invent the Trinity.

The deity of Christ is found in the scriptures in the New Testament Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; and Heb. 1:6 as well as the Old Testament:
Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced."
Exodus 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the Lord; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I did not make Myself known to them." Compare with "Not that any man has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father," (John 6:46). The point is that God Almighty was seen, but not the father. He was the pre-incarnate Christ who is seen in the Old Testament, who is defined in nature.
1 Cor. 1:2, "to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
The phrase, "call upon the name of the Lord [YHWH]" is used in the OT only in reference to God (i.e., Psalm 116:4), never anyone else. Yet, the Greek equivalent (LXX) of the phrase is applied to Jesus in 1 Cor. 1:2. It says that the church "calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus." Why is a phrase used ONLY of God in the OT, applied to Jesus in the NT?
The LXX translates "call upon the name of YHWH" as "call upon the name of the Lord [kurios]." The phrase "call upon the name of the Lord is applied to Jesus.

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I was referring to something more apparent: the trinity.

3 != 1.

Look up the Council of Nicaea -- what you believe is the result of a vote that the emperor Constantine organized.

***The Council of Nicea did not invent the Trinity.

The deity of Christ is found in the scriptures in the New Testament Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; and Heb. 1:6 as well as the Old Testament:
Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced."
Exodus 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the Lord; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I did not make Myself known to them." Compare with "Not that any man has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father," (John 6:46). The point is that God Almighty was seen, but not the father. He was the pre-incarnate Christ who is seen in the Old Testament, who is defined in nature.
1 Cor. 1:2, "to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
The phrase, "call upon the name of the Lord [YHWH]" is used in the OT only in reference to God (i.e., Psalm 116:4), never anyone else. Yet, the Greek equivalent (LXX) of the phrase is applied to Jesus in 1 Cor. 1:2. It says that the church "calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus." Why is a phrase used ONLY of God in the OT, applied to Jesus in the NT?
The LXX translates "call upon the name of YHWH" as "call upon the name of the Lord [kurios]." The phrase "call upon the name of the Lord is applied to Jesus.

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Not to belittle what you quote there, but you extrapolate from those passages that 3=1? I'm stumped.

Sorry to derail this thread...by the way, I don't think Jayzus looked much like what the modern depictions try to represent. Europeans spread Christianity, and they wanted a face the could relate to, so they invented the traditional face we know today. However, I have heard of black churches where the depiction of Jesus is that of a black man. In the end, I think people just want a face they can relate to. I wouldn't be surprised if in some Korean protestant churches out there Jesus is being perceived with Asian features.

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>Come on Bill, all this shows is that "IF" christ "actually" existed then this
>"Might" be what he looked like.. it could be the face of anyone from 1st
>century middle east...

Right. Keep in mind, though, that back around that time, populations didn't mix much. It was so hard to go long distances that few did, so you got fairly homogenous populations of people in any one area. That's why unique cultures, languages, physical adaptations, skin color etc remained mostly specific to one area until long distance travel by land (and then by sea and air air) became commonplace and accessible by most people.

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Just wondering, anyone know???

White guy. Long clean hair flowing over a crisp white robe. No, really, I've seen pictures!

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like this??

That's a pretty good likeness of J (thanatos340).

maybe we were seperated at birth

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Maybe I just can't follow you. You're going back and forth between pagan religions and where Christianity came from, the concept of the Trinity, and what did Jesus look like. One comment leads into another as if one proves or disproves something about the other. What has the origin of Christianity or even the Trinity got to do with what Jesus probably looked like?

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...and would Jesus drive a Prius??

sorry. just mixing this thread up with the one next to it.

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Maybe something like this?

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Anyway, here's more on the Trinity:

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The Trinity—the triune nature of God—is a basic doctrine of Christianity. Although the word “Trinity” is not found in the Bible, the elements of this doctrine are all taken directly from God’s Word. The doctrine of the Trinity states that there is one God who exists eternally as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Bible could not be more explicit that there is only one God, which it declares about two dozen times. In Isaiah 45:5 God says, “I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides me there is no God.” In Mark 12:29 Jesus states, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one Lord . . .’”

Jesus referred to God as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of “God the Father.” But the New Testament also insists that Jesus is God. For example, Thomas acknowledged Jesus as “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Jesus as “our God and Savior” (2 Peter 1:1; Titus 2:13). Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons. In fact, they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17:1–26).

The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as God at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Jesus in John 14—16 explained that the Father at Christ’s request would send this Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on Christ’s behalf and glorifying Christ. Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by Christ to be a third person distinct from the Father and from the Son.

The three persons of the Trinity—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—are distinct persons, yet they are all the one God. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.

There is, though, an apparent separation of some functions among the members of the Godhead. For example, the Father chooses those in Christ to be saved (Ephesians 1:4); the Son redeems them (Ephesians 1:7); and the Holy Spirit seals them (Ephesians 1:13).

A further point of clarification is that God is not one person, the Father, with Jesus as a created being and the Holy Spirit as a force (Jeho-vah’s Witnesses). Neither is He one person who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father became the Son, who became the Holy Spirit. Nor is God the divine nature of the Son, where Jesus had a human nature perceived as the Son and a divine nature perceived as the Father (United Pentecostal). Nor is the Trinity an office held by three separate Gods (Mormonism).

It has been interestingly said, “If you try to figure out the Trinity, you will lose your mind; if you deny the Trinity, you will lose your soul.” In short, the doctrine of the Trinity is completely biblical, and it is essential that all Christians give assent to this doctrine.

--Taken from Lesson 49, The Way of the Master School of Biblical Evangelism

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Like Ryoder.

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by 'modern standard' Jesus would be considered 'black' if he were born an american..


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by 'modern standard' Jesus would be considered 'black' if he were born an american..

Intersting that so many here.. are far more interested in how he looked and what his ethnicity is.. rather than the message he brought to us and his teachings.

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by 'modern standard' Jesus would be considered 'black' if he were born an american..


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What's your point? He was a 1st Century Jew. The picture Billvon posted is probably fairly accurate. Whether you call him black, white, or brown really doesn't matter at all. He looked how he looked. Whatever misrepresentation of his likeness the Catholic Church or anyone else has invented is just that...a misrepresentation. Wouldn't be the first thing the Catholic Church has misrepresented.

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Intersting that so many here.. are far more interested in how he looked and what his ethnicity is.. rather than the message he brought to us and his teachings.

I agree!!! More importantly, however, was who he claimed to be and what he did for all of us.

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by 'modern standard' Jesus would be considered 'black' if he were born an american..


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Unfortunately, I think many modern Americans would consider him a "raghead" and thus automatically deserving of suspicion.

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Unfortunately, I think many modern Americans would consider him a "raghead" and thus automatically deserving of suspicion.

Many people regard him with suspicion simply because of the claims he made.

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Intersting that so many here.. are far more interested in how he looked and what his ethnicity is.. rather than the message he brought to us and his teachings.

I believe that's what the thread was about, not his divinity or his message.

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>and he could kick your ass if he took a mind to.

Whose ass would Jesus kick?

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Whether you call him black, white, or brown really doesn't matter at all.....


Wouldn't be the first thing the Catholic Church has misrepresented.

Pot-Kettle?
I dare you to walk into a KKK meeting and tell those "Christians" that it doesn't matter if Jesus was a black man. On second thought, I'll pay your airfare (and mine) just for the fun of watching it occur. Your hospital bills are your own expense.

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Unfortunately, I think many modern Americans would consider him a "raghead" and thus automatically deserving of suspicion.

Many people regard him with suspicion simply because of the claims he made.

I am one of those many people you're referring to.

Sure, Jesus had some wonderful ideas, but for a man to say stuff like "I am the way the truth the light" and (something to the effect of) "the only way to G-d is through me" is completely megalomaniacal. I never trust any preacher that throws the word "I" in the same sentence with big words like "truth." I don't think even Moses, David or any of the prophets preceding Jesus had the balls to say such things. If I were a Jew living in the time of Jesus, I'd have perceived him as a cult leader and I'd have ignored him.

I don't disrespect anyone for following Jesus and will never mock anyone's beliefs, but after having been raised a Christian, having asked so many questions and never having gotten any solid answers that stand up in the face of simple logic (for example, see the flimsy answers to my questions about the trinity upthread), I'll never believe what the church teaches and I will always be okay with that.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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Pot-Kettle?
I dare you to walk into a KKK meeting and tell those "Christians" that it doesn't matter if Jesus was a black man. On second thought, I'll pay your airfare (and mine) just for the fun of watching it occur. Your hospital bills are your own expense.

I think you have a very broad idea of what a Christian is where the Biblical criteria is very narrow. Just because a person calls themselves a Christian does not make it so (Matthew 7:13).

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Sure, Jesus had some wonderful ideas, but for a man to say stuff like "I am the way the truth the light" and (something to the effect of) "the only way to G-d is through me" is completely megalomaniacal. I never trust any preacher that throws the word "I" in the same sentence with big words like "truth."

You know a false prophet by their “fruits” (Matthew 7:15-20). If what a so called prophet says does not happen, we are not to trust them (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

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I don't think even Moses, David or any of the prophets preceding Jesus had the balls to say such things. If I were a Jew living in the time of Jesus, I'd have perceived him as a cult leader and I'd have ignored him.

Because none of them were the Son of God.

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I'll never believe what the church teaches and I will always be okay with that.

Until you die and have to face the judgment of God.

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Pot-Kettle?
I dare you to walk into a KKK meeting and tell those "Christians" that it doesn't matter if Jesus was a black man. On second thought, I'll pay your airfare (and mine) just for the fun of watching it occur. Your hospital bills are your own expense.

I think you have a very broad idea of what a Christian is where the Biblical criteria is very narrow. Just because a person calls themselves a Christian does not make it so (Matthew 7:13).

Your view on this matter has been made very clear. Very few people in this world are Christian, according to your scriptures and "Are you a good person."
I'm quite confident that Jesus would be offended over it, as most good people are.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it" doesn't say anything about Christianity. Some interpret this passage in a way that fits their narrow view; Others see it for what it is...a recommendation for setting rules and living by them to save themselves from certain challenges.
In that same chapter, Matthew says "How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Wouldn't you agree that telling people they're not good or saying that they are not Christian when they feel they are, is a big plank in thine own eye?

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Your view on this matter has been made very clear. Very few people in this world are Christian, according to your scriptures and "Are you a good person." I'm quite confident that Jesus would be offended over it, as most good people are.

Why would Jesus be offended by a principle He articulated? Also, the Bible makes it clear that there are none who are righteous (Romans 3:10). There is no one (including myself) who is “a good person”, by God’s standard. All fall short and are deserving of punishment.

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He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36

Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:3

This involves “dying to self”, repenting (complete turning away from and apologizing because of) your lawlessness, and trusting in the Savior (alone) for your salvation.

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"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it" doesn't say anything about Christianity. Some interpret this passage in a way that fits their narrow view; Others see it for what it is...a recommendation for setting rules and living by them to save themselves from certain challenges.

Jesus said that and He was a Jew, not a Christian. It’s got nothing to do with Christianity, although, Christians should adhere to it. Christianity is merely a roadmap to a destination. Some do in fact interpret that passage in a way that fits their own “world view”, however, that will not save them on the Day of Judgment.

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In that same chapter, Matthew says "How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Wouldn't you agree that telling people they're not good or saying that they are not Christian when they feel they are, is a big plank in thine own eye?

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He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I’m sure Adolph Hitler “felt like” he was a good person and justified in his actions. What have your personal feelings got to do with any of this? I’m not judging you. God is and by His standard. I’m just warning you of the consequences of your thoughts and actions. There is a storm coming.