billvon 2,435 #226 November 22, 2006 >>If you don't have the balls to take the risks inherent in a free >> country, move to someplace less free. >Just as with skydiving, I try to minimize my risk. "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear." I think the freedoms that the US constitution guarantees are more important than fear. Sadly, I seem to be in the minority lately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #227 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe whole thing was bullshit. I'm not going to let a handful of Al Quaeda fanatics cause me to live in fear. This is America. Living in a free country involves some risk. If you don't have the balls to take the risks inherent in a free country, move to someplace less free. Just as with skydiving, I try to minimize my risk. Good to hear. But theoretically, you could minimize your risk even more by NOT being a skydiver. Similarly, we could minimize our risks by NOT being Americans. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,147 #228 November 22, 2006 QuoteJust as with skydiving, I try to minimize my risk. Than flying with Quantas will help you more than worrying about 6 arab man who prayed while in the terminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #229 November 22, 2006 Thanks, rainman! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #230 November 22, 2006 QuoteThe original statement was that the First Amendment gave religion free rein and the reply was providing a case in which it doesn't. Please read previous posts before replying to statements made. Gee, you're right. Yours was actually a strawman argument in support of a strawman argument. Sorry for the lack of detail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #231 November 22, 2006 There is a higher risk that your plane will have a malfunction that causes it to crash than your plane being hijacked causing it to crash. However, for most people fear is often irrational."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #232 November 22, 2006 QuoteI'll bet the note said a lot more than "some Arabic men were getting on the plane". And, I would wager that it was all unfounded B.S. based on ignorance. QuoteThey also said some things that were suspicious in the terminal. They spoke out against the war in Iraq. The 1st amendment secures their right to do so. They did absolutely nothing wrong. Would a catholic priest or baptist minister be taken from a plane after saying prayer in the terminal and stating that the illegal war in Iraq is wrong? No, they would not. I think that the note passer was hoping that something would be found and that he or she would get his or her 15 minutes of fame. Hey, look at me, I am a fucking HERO, I saved the day. I fear people like the note passer."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #233 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe whole thing was bullshit. I'm not going to let a handful of Al Quaeda fanatics cause me to live in fear. This is America. Living in a free country involves some risk. If you don't have the balls to take the risks inherent in a free country, move to someplace less free. Just as with skydiving, I try to minimize my risk. Good to hear. But theoretically, you could minimize your risk even more by NOT being a skydiver. Similarly, we could minimize our risks by NOT being Americans. I said minimize, not eliminate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #234 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe whole thing was bullshit. I'm not going to let a handful of Al Quaeda fanatics cause me to live in fear. This is America. Living in a free country involves some risk. If you don't have the balls to take the risks inherent in a free country, move to someplace less free. Just as with skydiving, I try to minimize my risk. Good to hear. But theoretically, you could minimize your risk even more by NOT being a skydiver. Similarly, we could minimize our risks by NOT being Americans. I said minimize, not eliminate.Exactly! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #235 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat means one direction, one flag, one purpose. That is the true freedom of all of mankind. Uh? That's a pretty strong statement, which as stated I do not grasp. Can you elaborate? Consider Orwell's 1984. That's what it means. Sura 9, verse 29 - compare/contrastMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #236 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuote No, it's not. If you think it is, that says something much worse about you than it does about them. There are any number of minorities who run around with a chip on their shoulder, and look for opportunities to get it knocked off. If you can't see that, then you are wearing rose colored glasses. I'm glad to hear that pansy-asses who can be terror-stricken by something as simple as a prayer are a minority. Unfortunately, it does appear that their numbers are growing. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #237 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat means one direction, one flag, one purpose. That is the true freedom of all of mankind. Uh? That's a pretty strong statement, which as stated I do not grasp. Can you elaborate? Consider Orwell's 1984. That's what it means. Sura 9, verse 29 - compare/contrast Mein Kampf - compare/contrast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #238 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat means one direction, one flag, one purpose. That is the true freedom of all of mankind. Uh? That's a pretty strong statement, which as stated I do not grasp. Can you elaborate? Consider Orwell's 1984. That's what it means. Sura 9, verse 29 - compare/contrast Mein Kampf - compare/contrast. Green Eggs and Ham - compare/contrast"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #239 November 22, 2006 QuoteGreen Eggs and Ham - compare/contrast one question, is it Green (eggs and ham) or is it (Green eggs) and ham ?? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #240 November 22, 2006 I thought it was only the eggs that were green. duck eggs can sometimes be kinda greenish. perfectly edible of course though. whoops, I'm wrong. see attached Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #241 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteExplain why the 10 Commandments were ordered taken down in the Courthouse a few years ago.Explain why " In God We Trust " is still on my money? I've gone all plastic money. Mine just says "Rewards Card." - Nice. The govt. (and big corps) gets to track your every move. Me. I prefer CASH Why? What have you done? "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" - J. Stalin (or was it H. Himmler?)I'm pretty sure I detected sarcasim. Now. When the shit hits the fan I'm sure cash will go further than plastic. Not much further as in 1929. Guns and lead and brass babyI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #242 November 22, 2006 Incorrect. You are allowed to practice your religion to the fullest extent so long as it complies with all other laws (this is not free rein). Native Americans, Rastafarians, etc... are not allowed to perform rituals that do not comply with laws regarding drug cultivation and usage.______________________________________________________________________________________________I beg to differ on that statement. I'll post some case law later. I'm tiredI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #243 November 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteThey were disruptive on an airline flight They did absolutely nothing on the plane but go to their seats and sat down. Three of them prayed in the terminal. No law against praying. Again they did nothing wrong. Someone passed a note to an attendent pointing out that some Arabic men were getting on the plane. No law against Arabic people boarding planes. They were not disruptive. It was the ignorance of the note passer that was wrong. It really does seem that Bin Laden is winning as he is being succesful in turning Americans against Americans. All of the clerics are American. He is being succesful in cultivating fear of Islam. Of all of the Muslims I have met, they all have been kind and courteous. I have no fear of them as Al qaeda does not represent Islam. To those who lump the two together, shame on you for taking the bait that Al qaeda laid out as you are only assisting the enemy by doing so. Educate yourself and Bin Laden and his kind will go away. I saw a very quick view of the note, it said much more than "some Arabic men were getting on the plane". It has been reported that they did much more than "just go to their seats and sat down", such as demanding their seats be changed, asking for belt extensions and then not using them. Things that by themselves aren't much, but the things were not by themselves. The men were praying quite loudly. This seems to reinforce the view that they may have been looking to cause an incident, or that they were quite stupid for not knowing they would attract attention to themselves. The men were overheard saying things that would have gotten them in trouble had they been saying it while going through security. Exercising your free speech rights at a commercial airport will get you attention from the TSA, that is a fact. I think they deserved what they got. It would have been wrong to ignore it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #244 November 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThey were disruptive on an airline flight They did absolutely nothing on the plane but go to their seats and sat down. Three of them prayed in the terminal. No law against praying. Again they did nothing wrong. Someone passed a note to an attendent pointing out that some Arabic men were getting on the plane. No law against Arabic people boarding planes. They were not disruptive. It was the ignorance of the note passer that was wrong. It really does seem that Bin Laden is winning as he is being succesful in turning Americans against Americans. All of the clerics are American. He is being succesful in cultivating fear of Islam. Of all of the Muslims I have met, they all have been kind and courteous. I have no fear of them as Al qaeda does not represent Islam. To those who lump the two together, shame on you for taking the bait that Al qaeda laid out as you are only assisting the enemy by doing so. Educate yourself and Bin Laden and his kind will go away. I saw a very quick view of the note, it said much more than "some Arabic men were getting on the plane". It has been reported that they did much more than "just go to their seats and sat down", such as demanding their seats be changed, asking for belt extensions and then not using them. Things that by themselves aren't much, but the things were not by themselves. The men were praying quite loudly. This seems to reinforce the view that they may have been looking to cause an incident, or that they were quite stupid for not knowing they would attract attention to themselves. The men were overheard saying things that would have gotten them in trouble had they been saying it while going through security. Exercising your free speech rights at a commercial airport will get you attention from the TSA, that is a fact. I think they deserved what they got. It would have been wrong to ignore it.fuck the tsa and dhs AND BUSH AD CO. I'm fuckin tired of them tearing my fuckin luggage apart (AND) stealing. Theiving punk bastardsI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #245 November 23, 2006 Well, this has been beaten into the ground. With all the back and forth here about rights to do whatever everyone has forgotten three words that we all know. Pilot In Command Like it or not, that is the final authority of 'Amazing Grace' regarding that aircraft. Enjoy! Extreme Karate Happy Turey Day! Enjoy your tryptophan! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #246 November 23, 2006 The pilot in command principle must coexist with constitutional rights. Airlines in the US, despite being private enterprises, are deemed "common carriers"; and as such, may not engage in unlawfully discriminatory acts. No different than owners of lunch counters in Mississippi after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 not being allowed to prohibit black people from eating there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #247 November 24, 2006 QuoteThe pilot in command principle must coexist with constitutional rights. Airlines in the US, despite being private enterprises, are deemed "common carriers"; and as such, may not engage in unlawfully discriminatory acts. No different than owners of lunch counters in Mississippi after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 not being allowed to prohibit black people from eating there. The pilot is responsible for the aircraft and all the passengers on board. The actions of the passengers in question raised enough concern with the flight crew to get the pilot involved. The pilot wanted them removed from the plane for whatever reasons and that is the pilot's call. What other factors were involved we will probably never know. Did they make a scene? Did they get combative when approached? Did they refuse to go back out to the gate or answer any inquiries? Here's your cuffs, have a better day. Trainsurfing. Wow- what a rush. Stick around until the end- talk about living life to the fullest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #248 November 28, 2006 I am wondering if we will see this tonight on any of the US media outlets?? Doubt it. Doesn't fit thier world view template. Maybe they got exaxtly what they had coming or what they were after. After all, the drive by media gives them aid and comfort http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061128-122902-7522r.htm"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #249 November 28, 2006 QuoteI am wondering if we will see this tonight on any of the US media outlets?? Doubt it. Doesn't fit thier world view template. Maybe they got exaxtly what they had coming or what they were after. After all, the drive by media gives them aid and comfort http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061128-122902-7522r.htm A lot of "anonymous" comments there, and mostly just garbage. I guess the comment about "praying very loud" comes from someone that hasn't heard a Pentecostalist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #250 November 28, 2006 You will notice that I waited to chime in on this story until the "other" side. (The side that does not react from an emotional irational point ot view) So, now the other side of the story starts to come out and you slam the story because of an anonymos source? I could take you serious if you slamed "anonymos" souces that support your world view template. But I guess this one (story) doesn't"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
