Andy9o8 0 #1 December 17, 2005 Discuss. Focus not on whether the wiretaps may have been justified, but whether they should have been authorized without warrants. You will be graded off for poor grammar or spelling. (My thread; my rules.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #2 December 17, 2005 nar is de thyme four all gud man too cum two the aids of der pardy I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #4 December 17, 2005 The Bush administration believes it is above the law, and this is just more evidence of that fact. Witness the detaining of people in a variety of "camps" and the administrations efforts to find away around the Geneva convention so they could torture people. Bush does what he thinks is necessary and the law be damned!"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 December 17, 2005 A few years ago... oh in around 1215 (year not time! yeah, I know, you dont do history) ... we had this little thing called the Magna Carta, which essentialy told our leaders (King John in this inst') that they are NOT above the law..... It's maybe about now, that you chaps consider having a quite little chat with The Shrub and remind him that he works for YOU and not the other way around.... Hey, just a thought..... it could work.... if not you lot really are fucked. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #6 December 17, 2005 OK, so far we've had opinions from Canada & the UK. Since this directly raises US Constitutional issues, any opinions from Americans out there? Don't all speak up at once, now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 December 17, 2005 Kick 'em off with your starter for 10 Andy..... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #8 December 17, 2005 QuoteA few years ago... oh in around 1215 (year not time! yeah, I know, you dont do history) ... we had this little thing called the Magna Carta, which essentialy told our leaders (King John in this inst') that they are NOT above the law..... It's maybe about now, that you chaps consider having a quite little chat with The Shrub and remind him that he works for YOU and not the other way around.... Hey, just a thought..... it could work.... if not you lot really are fucked. I'm old enough to remember the Nixon administration. It thought itself above the law. Unfortunately the Bush (2) administration seems to have found Nixon's playbook and some of his old cronies (Cheney, Rumsfeld...) and is trying to re-live those days.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 December 17, 2005 There was a film about Watergate, wasn't there .... The Presidents Men? ... Didn't all that end when it was brought to the publics attention? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #10 December 17, 2005 QuoteThe Bush administration believes it is above the law, and this is just more evidence of that fact. Witness the detaining of people in a variety of "camps" and the administrations efforts to find away around the Geneva convention so they could torture people. Bush does what he thinks is necessary and the law be damned! I wonder what kind of shoes you wear? Cause you are going to get to tell us how they taste. Anybody bashing Bush on this topic better do some research or thier own words will be choking them. Again, most of you lefties will only believe your own research so you had better go a looking. There is way more to this story than the left and the main stream media wants to talk about"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #11 December 17, 2005 Hi.... you used loads of words there to say nowt.... what do you mean? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #12 December 17, 2005 I will but, do you own research. Find out who in congress have known about this since 2003. Find out why the article in the paper comes out now when the one with the info has known about it for 2 years. Find out the relationship between the leaker, the paper, the info, and the soon to be released book. More to come........ You can do it....I know you can, if I found out kallend already knows....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 December 17, 2005 Bare with us stupid Brits......google here I come (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #14 December 17, 2005 QuoteBare with us stupid Brits...... ...we do all the time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #15 December 17, 2005 Kallend your killing me again. You know I can't stand pain, it hurts me. But this domestic wiretap crap is justified and limited in scope with oversite from the US congress. This was a highly classified operation and those that leaked this information to our Enemies i.e. NYT should be placed on trail and sent away for some much needed rest. Congress has been brief more than 2 dozen times concerning the NSA activity within our country. Every 45 days there is a legal review and the Congress Dem/Rep leaders are briefed. The NYTs and the extreme left can kiss my ass. The President has not been operating in hiding or in secret. You people amaze me with this stupidity. Maybe just maybe with several more attacks taking the lives of say 50,000, hell how about 100,000 lives in places like Vermont or say Berkley will the left decide to act. (Not Likely but possible) However im never surprised by the educated derelicts that find themselves here from time to time. I've never have spent so much of my time reading crap from so many cry babies, go out and do something positive and spend alittle less time here on DZ.com, you might just find some joy in life. You guys from Canada need not worry about us old chaps here in the US, we will continue to keep the bad guys from kicking your ass as we always have. For the guys and gals from the UK I'll except some angry words, after all your country men have put their asses on the line as we have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 December 17, 2005 ...we do all the time... Bwaaaaaaaaa - fuck off mate (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #17 December 17, 2005 if necessary then yes. Well who really cares, its not like most citizens are gonna end up loosing from it. Ok they might know what colour bra you got on btu it aint really gonna effetc most people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #18 December 17, 2005 So Mike..... you'd support the..... "If you've done nothing wrong, then you've got nothing to worry about" - Crap? Infringments of our fundamental rights were hard earned and if lost, would be hard to win back..... Be careful what you give away too easily.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #19 December 17, 2005 Quoteand is trying to re-live those days. Ha ha LOL, now that is kinda funny, considering that GWB most likely can't even recall those years as he, reportedly, spent most of his days back then in a cocaine and alcohol induced haze."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #20 December 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe Bush administration believes it is above the law, and this is just more evidence of that fact. Witness the detaining of people in a variety of "camps" and the administrations efforts to find away around the Geneva convention so they could torture people. Bush does what he thinks is necessary and the law be damned! I wonder what kind of shoes you wear? Cause you are going to get to tell us how they taste. Anybody bashing Bush on this topic better do some research or thier own words will be choking them. Again, most of you lefties will only believe your own research so you had better go a looking. There is way more to this story than the left and the main stream media wants to talk about Better check your facts - I'm not a lefty! You don't have to be on the left to understand the truth. How that shoe taste? "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 1 #21 December 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteA few years ago... oh in around 1215 (year not time! yeah, I know, you dont do history) ... we had this little thing called the Magna Carta, which essentialy told our leaders (King John in this inst') that they are NOT above the law..... It's maybe about now, that you chaps consider having a quite little chat with The Shrub and remind him that he works for YOU and not the other way around.... Hey, just a thought..... it could work.... if not you lot really are fucked. I'm old enough to remember the Nixon administration. It thought itself above the law. Unfortunately the Bush (2) administration seems to have found Nixon's playbook and some of his old cronies (Cheney, Rumsfeld...) and is trying to re-live those days. I agree 100%. The difference: Nixon had a Congress with a Democratic majority so he couldn't get away with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #22 December 17, 2005 Keep looking I don't have to chew leather yet! This story is in it's early stages but the left doesn't care. It is all about damaging Bush. This story has nothing to do within the context of the headline........ In his radio address (today) he did not deny this is happening. Did you find that?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 0 #23 December 17, 2005 QuoteI will but, do you own research. Find out who in congress have known about this since 2003. Find out why the article in the paper comes out now when the one with the info has known about it for 2 years. The news reports quote several senators, some on the intelligence committees, some republicans, as saying they never knew that this was what was happening. This is a very typical of issues dividing americans. 1 Left wing make an outrageous claim 2 Right wing strongly deny that it happens 3 President and aids deny it ever happened 4 Press publish story 5 cycle back to 1 several times 6 President makes a statement confirming press but justifies his actions in the name of security or the war on terrorism. 7 Bush supporters defend his actions 8 Rest of us express our discontent in some way and get bashed by bush supporters in some way, this time we are accused of "being funny". This president is overstepping the mark, he is not above the law, he has to act within it. I have not heard a reason why they could not have used the existing secret court for authorizing this, there are even provisions for emergencies that let them do this for up to 72 hours without a court order. The ultimate result of all these citizen rights and checks and balances being removed is a police state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #24 December 18, 2005 QuoteQuoteI will but, do you own research. Find out who in congress have known about this since 2003. Find out why the article in the paper comes out now when the one with the info has known about it for 2 years. The news reports quote several senators, some on the intelligence committees, some republicans, as saying they never knew that this was what was happening. This is a very typical of issues dividing americans. 1 Left wing make an outrageous claim 2 Right wing strongly deny that it happens 3 President and aids deny it ever happened 4 Press publish story 5 cycle back to 1 several times 6 President makes a statement confirming press but justifies his actions in the name of security or the war on terrorism. 7 Bush supporters defend his actions 8 Rest of us express our discontent in some way and get bashed by bush supporters in some way, this time we are accused of "being funny". This president is overstepping the mark, he is not above the law, he has to act within it. I have not heard a reason why they could not have used the existing secret court for authorizing this, there are even provisions for emergencies that let them do this for up to 72 hours without a court order. The ultimate result of all these citizen rights and checks and balances being removed is a police state. chew.....chew....chew......chew..........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #25 December 18, 2005 Quote In his radio address (today) he did not deny this is happening. Did you find that? Well, "I am not a crook" has been taken already.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
