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QuoteWhich looks better on a resume: mowed lawns for the summer or interned at Boeing.
With a similar GPA and like coursework, I'd hire the person that mowed lawns. Shows more drive. The guy that worked at Boeing probably just had connections.
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Quotedon't kid yourself. the vast majority of illegal immigrants DO NOT contribute to the society in which they live. that's the problem.
So you dont want cheap service staff, crops, inexpensive restaurant meals, cheap hotels? I wonder, if companies started to bring out "Illegal Immigration Free" products and services, and started charging more than double what you now pay for them, just how many of your would put your money where your mouths are. Would you?
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yeah, they buy from the local grocery store etc. but, the cost of supporting illegals far outweighs the "local contribution" they make. furthermore, much of the money that illegals make in america goes back to their families in the foreign nation that they came from. that's why mexico is supporting illegal emmigration into the US. you live in cali; you should know better than all of us. the numbers speak for themselves.
the money that illegals earn is not taxed at all (except for state sales tax when they buy stuff). i'm not sure about you, but my income is taxed pretty heavily as i'm sure yours is.
the money that illegals earn is not taxed at all (except for state sales tax when they buy stuff). i'm not sure about you, but my income is taxed pretty heavily as i'm sure yours is.
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QuoteSo you dont want cheap service staff, crops, inexpensive restaurant meals, cheap hotels?
no, i want to pay a fair price from the most competitive seller who produces a good product. i love capitalism.
Quotestarted charging more than double what you now pay for them
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QuoteWould you?
absolutely because i understand the big picture.
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I agree with you - legal way is the best way. But, you have to understand and appreciate (as i'm sure you do) the legal means to now enter your country for a low skilled migrant worker is next to impossible. There is no way (from my understanding of the immigration laws there) they will be eligible to enter the country legally.
but that is not the USA's problem.... That is Mexico's problem. Why should we fix it?
If it is really that bad in Mexico, maybe the people there should rise up against the government and have them fix it. Happens all over the world all the time.
But why doesn't that apply to Iraq? You have been a strong supporter of US intervention there, even after the rationalization changed to freeing the poor Iraqis from an evil dictator. Why help a people half way around the world and ignore your neighbor?
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Quoteyeah, they buy from the local grocery store etc. but, the cost of supporting illegals far outweighs the "local contribution" they make. furthermore, much of the money that illegals make in america goes back to their families in the foreign nation that they came from. that's why mexico is supporting illegal emmigration into the US. you live in cali; you should know better than all of us. the numbers speak for themselves.
the money that illegals earn is not taxed at all (except for state sales tax when they buy stuff). i'm not sure about you, but my income is taxed pretty heavily as i'm sure yours is.
Maybe it's just my perception here, but the vast majority of illegals I know do spend most of their income into the local economy. Do they send money back home? Yes, lots of them do. Do they pay taxes? No, they can't. But the huge majority of them do not get (or get very little) help from local governments. They are, for the most part, hard working people (most of them making below minimum wage). Of course, there are exceptions. And once again, I do not encourage illegal immigration in any way.
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
I agree with you - legal way is the best way. But, you have to understand and appreciate (as i'm sure you do) the legal means to now enter your country for a low skilled migrant worker is next to impossible. There is no way (from my understanding of the immigration laws there) they will be eligible to enter the country legally.
I think the misconception is poeple are doing this illegally because they have the option to do it legally, but for whatever reason are not taking that option. Given the immigration laws there, i would assume that you see so many illegals enter because frankly, they don't have the option to work there legally, unlike those who arrived even 50 years ago, who were able to enter the US far more easily and remain there.
I think the misconception is poeple are doing this illegally because they have the option to do it legally, but for whatever reason are not taking that option. Given the immigration laws there, i would assume that you see so many illegals enter because frankly, they don't have the option to work there legally, unlike those who arrived even 50 years ago, who were able to enter the US far more easily and remain there.
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It's so easy for them to blend-in. They get to areas of this country where they have friends or relatives and become acclimated and with help, find a job and that's about it. Seems to me if, Mexico would help do something but, they won't! They want us to take care of their problems of making jobs available as well as education for their people who live in the poor areas of their country. They don't want to be bothered. They want to un-load their problems on us. Check-out some of the statements made by Mexico's president Fox!
Chuck
We have helped Mexico financially in many ways....
At some point (in Iraq too) you need to wean them off of it.
But I agree with you to ssome degree.
Bush has failed this country when it comes to border control.
He said Iraq posed a threat to national secureity (Which I believe it did), however, the border situation also poses a threat to national security, and need to be fixed.
But, there is a large difference between FOX and SH
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At some point (in Iraq too) you need to wean them off of it.
But I agree with you to ssome degree.
Bush has failed this country when it comes to border control.
He said Iraq posed a threat to national secureity (Which I believe it did), however, the border situation also poses a threat to national security, and need to be fixed.
But, there is a large difference between FOX and SH
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Maybe it's just my perception here, but the vast majority of illegals I know do spend most of their income into the local economy. Do they send money back home? Yes, lots of them do. Do they pay taxes? No, they can't. But the huge majority of them do not get (or get very little) help from local governments. They are, for the most part, hard working people (most of them making below minimum wage). Of course, there are exceptions. And once again, I do not encourage illegal immigration in any way.
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A lot of the money made in this country by illegals is sent back to their families in Mexico. That, is a multi billion dollar a year operation. U.S. Banks, advertise 'low fees' to send money to Mexico.
Chuck
QuoteA lot of the money made in this country by illegals is sent back to their families in Mexico. That, is a multi billion dollar a year operation. U.S. Banks, advertise 'low fees' to send money to Mexico.
I do not deny that. But I gather that about 80% of the money they make remains in the US. 20% is huge, but still a minor amount compared to the total spent locally.
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
QuoteWe have helped Mexico financially in many ways....
At some point (in Iraq too) you need to wean them off of it.
But I agree with you to ssome degree.
Bush has failed this country when it comes to border control.
He said Iraq posed a threat to national secureity (Which I believe it did), however, the border situation also poses a threat to national security, and need to be fixed.
But, there is a large difference between FOX and SH
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Fox is helping them to a better life... by telling his people the ins and outs of getting into this country. The Mexican Govt. publishes pamphlets with 'advice' in such matters.
Chuck
QuoteA lot of the money made in this country by illegals is sent back to their families in Mexico. That, is a multi billion dollar a year operation. U.S. Banks, advertise 'low fees' to send money to Mexico.
Very true, not only in Mexico all throughout central america. It's bad on the local economy too (whole other subject). Guess what they are spending that money on though: American made appliances, clothes, music, movies etc.
Bottom line is illegal immigration=mega bucks for some industries.
QuoteQuoteA lot of the money made in this country by illegals is sent back to their families in Mexico. That, is a multi billion dollar a year operation. U.S. Banks, advertise 'low fees' to send money to Mexico.
I do not deny that. But I gather that about 80% of the money they make remains in the US. 20% is huge, but still a minor amount compared to the total spent locally.
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You're correct. They spend money locally which in turn benefits the community. I have been told by Mexican-Americans that 'they' get up-set when they see 'il-legals' living 2 or 3 families in a small house and brand new SUV's and pick-ups parked out front. These things bother those folks too. Those are folks complaining about their own. So, We aren't the only one's it bothers.
Chuck
QuoteQuoteA lot of the money made in this country by illegals is sent back to their families in Mexico. That, is a multi billion dollar a year operation. U.S. Banks, advertise 'low fees' to send money to Mexico.
Very true, not only in Mexico all throughout central america. It's bad on the local economy too (whole other subject). Guess what they are spending that money on though: American made appliances, clothes, music, movies etc.
Bottom line is illegal immigration=mega bucks for some industries.
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Not to mention in many cases, the drug-lords, also. As I said before... it's all about the money. Somebody somewhere is gettin' rich off the whole mess.
Chuck
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Quotebut the land itself has been taken from the original inhabitants in the first place anyway.
Sort of like the Angles and Saxons did with the Picts? (if memory serves)...
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I do not deny that. But I gather that about 80% of the money they make remains in the US. 20% is huge, but still a minor amount compared to the total spent locally.
In my experience (living in South Texas), you could reverse your numbers and be a LOT closer...
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Many immigrants don't come here for health care or education. They come to make money to send home. So long as there are people willing to pay under the table for cheap labor, there will be illegal immigration.
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Maybe it's just my perception here, but the vast majority of illegals I know do spend most of their income into the local economy. Do they send money back home? Yes, lots of them do. Do they pay taxes? No, they can't. But the huge majority of them do not get (or get very little) help from local governments. They are, for the most part, hard working people (most of them making below minimum wage). Of course, there are exceptions. And once again, I do not encourage illegal immigration in any way.
Ahem, yes They can!!!.
See, the IRS does not care about what is your current condition in the US, but if you made US income (Within the borders and without any of the exceptions of the law), you are basically asked to file for a TIN (Tax identification number), so you can file taxes. Many people, including illegal alliens, do know this, and still choose not to pay any taxes and reap the benefits of this society, at any chance they get.
I can tell you this from personal experience, having a tax preparing business when I lived in Florida. The major reason for most of these immigrants want to file taxes is to get back what they paid into it, and just let things go as soon as they know they actually did not pay sufficient taxes (They claim 4 or 5 as exemption although they are single and should be filing 0, which is a higher tax deduction)......
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tcnelson 1
i'll say it again: as long as there are benefits for entering this country illegally, people will continue to do so.
"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329
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QuoteQuoteall these illegals moved in seasonal construction work, landscaping, and hospitality work was done by college kids out of school for the summer.
Do you actually think a college student is going to clean rooms or mow a lawn during the summer. Hell no. Most are looking for internships in their fields. Which looks better on a resume: mowed lawns for the summer or interned at Boeing.
First, there are MANY MANY more college students than there are available internships, and second, internships are generally only available to rising seniors and occasionally juniors. Students who just finished their first year have litle or no useful coursework/experience to get an internship.
I don't know about cleaning rooms, but I do know college students who have gotten summer jobs in landscaping and construction.
QuoteThere are laws and they must be enforced.
This coming from BASE jumper. Pretty good.
QuoteUltimately the US will start to look more like Mexico, a third world shit hole. Want proof, just look at communities that have high concentrations of Mexicans. They are always the worst looking areas of a city or town.
That's a pretty bigotted statement. Poor sections of town are the result of poverty not national origin or ethnicity.
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Ultimately the US will start to look more like Mexico, a third world shit hole. Want proof, just look at communities that have high concentrations of Mexicans. They are always the worst looking areas of a city or town.
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That's a pretty bigotted statement. Poor sections of town are the result of poverty not national origin or ethnicity.
what he's saying is that if illegal immigrants continue to take from the public coffer and do not return anything to it through taxes, then the communities that this happens in will suffer. i.e. when the takers outweigh the givers, soon enough there is nothing left to take and the community infrastructure will fail.
"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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but that is not the USA's problem.... That is Mexico's problem. Why should we fix it?
If it is really that bad in Mexico, maybe the people there should rise up against the government and have them fix it. Happens all over the world all the time.
It is not up to the US to fix all of the worlds problems...Just some of them :-)
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