ryoder 1,397 #1 March 1, 2005 http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17584&c=206"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 March 1, 2005 Hmmm. Bill Lann Lee is involved as co-counsel. That cat was a pretty big hitter in terms of human rights. Interesting... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 March 1, 2005 Mr. Lee supports racial discrimination. I don't give him a lot of credibility on human rights. Interesting that the former military folks are also co-counsel. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #4 March 1, 2005 About freekin' time.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #5 March 1, 2005 > Mr. Lee supports racial discrimination. I don't give him a lot of credibility on human rights. Well, we know who Rumsfeld supports. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #6 March 1, 2005 For some reason, I'm reminded of a classic line: you can’t hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #7 March 1, 2005 The following statement is not directed at anyone in particular, but related this post: It's going to be interesting to see who changes their morality when gas is 10 dollars a gallon (due to supply not being able to keep up with demand b/c of China, India, and other massively industrializing nations in a decade or two) and all hell breaks loose. (hopefully this really doesn't happen, but it could) There won't be too many people opposed to an unjust oil grab then. Or true torture (as opposed to what Rumsfeld approved) of those fighting us for it. Being moral is easy when it doesn't cost anything. Would you be willing to allow another Sept. 11 size attack, and your wife or husband killed in the result, so that Joe Queda Prisoner can get a full nights sleep and a cookie under his pillow? Just a thought. Edited to add: Ideally, in theory, you shouldn't tortue someone else for any reason, but in reality... well... I would have be Christ or God (or Buddha?) to hold to that ideal if a loved one was directly threatened, and I'm no saint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #8 March 2, 2005 >It's going to be interesting to see who changes their morality >when gas is 10 dollars a gallon (due to supply not being able to > keep up with demand . . . Well, that's the true test of morality, isn't it? Morality is what principles people stick to when it's inconvenient to do so. I will be disappointed if we. as a country, prove ourselves so idiotic that we are willing to spend hundreds of billions on a war to ensure our supply of oil, rather than spend those same hundreds of billions to eliminate our need to import Middle Eastern oil. Sorta like spending tens of thousands on a new liver so you can keep binge drinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #9 March 2, 2005 I don't want to go off into a rant here, but . . . Quote Would you be willing to allow another Sept. 11 size attack, and your wife or husband killed in the result, so that Joe Queda Prisoner can get a full nights sleep and a cookie under his pillow? Just a thought. Can you tell me the name of ANY individual held and tortured at Abu Gharib prison that had ANYTHING to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks? If we capture Usama bin Laden . . . fine, shock his balls 'til he tells us everything and you might have a point, but these were the wrong guys to do -anything- to other than just take them out of play.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #10 March 2, 2005 QuoteSorta like spending tens of thousands on a new liver so you can keep binge drinking. I can do that? SWEET! - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #11 March 2, 2005 Quote>It's going to be interesting to see who changes their morality >when gas is 10 dollars a gallon (due to supply not being able to > keep up with demand . . . Well, that's the true test of morality, isn't it? Morality is what principles people stick to when it's inconvenient to do so. I will be disappointed if we. as a country, prove ourselves so idiotic that we are willing to spend hundreds of billions on a war to ensure our supply of oil, rather than spend those same hundreds of billions to eliminate our need to import Middle Eastern oil. Sorta like spending tens of thousands on a new liver so you can keep binge drinking. I agree. But at least once the middle east is dry, the terrorism threat will be over, if you know what I mean. Not that I blame the US, because the alternative is a collapse that will make the great depression look like the peak of the dot com boom. "The spice must flow" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #12 March 2, 2005 QuoteWell, we know who Rumsfeld supports. Odd -- why would you make a present tense claim based on a photograph more than 20 years old? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteWell, we know who Rumsfeld supports. Odd -- why would you make a present tense claim based on a photograph more than 20 years old? It's a liberal thing - we wouldn't understandMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #14 March 2, 2005 Your quote reminds of a another classic line from the same movie..... Toga!-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #15 March 2, 2005 444 days Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #16 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteWell, we know who Rumsfeld supports. Odd -- why would you make a present tense claim based on a photograph more than 20 years old? Would you forgive all actions that took place 20+ years ago?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, we know who Rumsfeld supports. Odd -- why would you make a present tense claim based on a photograph more than 20 years old? Would you forgive all actions that took place 20+ years ago? Do you blame him personally for carrying out official US Policy at the time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #18 March 2, 2005 Have you ever had to shake hands, or play nice with someone you do not particularly care for? Politics make strange bedfellows... Diplomatic winds change... The enemy of our enemy is our freind is a fact of interantional relations. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 March 2, 2005 I'd like to point out to everyone here that we do NOT need Middle Eastern oil. I'm not saying we should stop importing it today, but the fact is that we have the technology right now to switch to alternatives to an oil-based economy. Our economy does not have to be at the mercy of foreign petroleum supplies. I say, let OPEC raise its prices as much as it wants. It would finally encourage us to get off our asses & switch to alternative energy sources. Biodiesel can be used in diesel engines with very minor modifications. This can be used until we get the hydrogen fuel cell technology up to speed. Biodiesel can also be used as a home heating oil. Biotech companies are currently devising lubricants & plastics from non-petroleum sources. The fact is, these middle eastern countries need our money a lot more than we need their oil. We have alternatives already in place. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #20 March 2, 2005 That is what it is called a conflict of interests. When someone has to take decisions for the common good of a majority that will go against their own interest. Oil -> Bush -> Arbusto oil company War -> Cheney -> Halliburton, etc... Don´t you have in the U.S to severe all ties with the competence or actual clients before entering any responsability job in a company? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #21 March 2, 2005 QuoteWar -> Cheney -> Halliburton, etc... Cheney has no responsibilities to Halliburton... he is being paid deferred compensation from when he did, before entering the administration... he would get the same amount even if there were no war, or if Halliburton didn't get any work out of it... if there were any evidence to the contrary , it would have come out by now... let it go. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteWar -> Cheney -> Halliburton, etc... Cheney has no responsibilities to Halliburton... he is being paid deferred compensation from when he did, before entering the administration... he would get the same amount even if there were no war, or if Halliburton didn't get any work out of it... if there were any evidence to the contrary , it would have come out by now... let it go. J They can't let it go. To to so would require an understanding of how the contract process within the Govt. works, and the checks and balances put in place to prevent such an occurance. Much easier to throw stones in total bliss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #23 March 2, 2005 "They can't let it go." Those amongst us who work for Halliburton can.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 March 2, 2005 Quote"They can't let it go." Those amongst us who work for Halliburton can. I know you can because you understand the process and also what your companies capabilities are compared to your competitors. A buddy of mine works for Haliburton (a Brit) and we spent over an hour last weekend discussing Haliburtons role as a General Contractor in providing services in Iraq, and the role of sub-contractors hired by Haliburton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #25 March 2, 2005 QuoteWould you forgive all actions that took place 20+ years ago? No, but I wouldn't knowingly falsely portray something that happened in the early '80s as having current relevancy either. Would you? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
