tunaplanet 0 #51 November 9, 2004 QuoteYou guys are going to try and pin anything on him. That's the liberal mindset. Negativity is a way of life for liberals. Instead of coming together and support the POTUS and try and make America better they throw a wedge into everything they can. These are angry, bitter people who stop at nothing to complain at every moment they get. It's time America comes together instead of being divided. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #52 November 9, 2004 QuoteIt's not a draft. THere is an 8 year obligation fro everyone that ever joined the Military. Meaning if you sign up for 4 years and then get out. You still owe them for the next 4 years if they call you up. Just to clairify... the guy in question has been off AD for 13 years, and out of the Reserves for 8, after 2 AD and 6 Res... So he had met his commitment... Now, if he took no active step to get out of the IRR, he's still in... and can still be recalled... if he did take active steps to get out off the IRR, they have no claim to him... the article was not clear on if he actually got out of the IRR... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #53 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou guys are going to try and pin anything on him. That's the liberal mindset. Negativity is a way of life for liberals. Instead of coming together and support the POTUS and try and make America better they throw a wedge into everything they can. These are angry, bitter people who stop at nothing to complain at every moment they get. It's time America comes together instead of being divided. I see you are leading the pack on being the peacemaker?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #54 November 9, 2004 QuoteThese are angry, bitter people who stop at nothing to complain at every moment they get. This made me laugh out loud. Must be my well honed sense of irony..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #55 November 9, 2004 Quote That's the liberal mindset. Negativity is a way of life for liberals. Instead of coming together and support the POTUS and try and make America better they throw a wedge into everything they can. These are angry, bitter people who stop at nothing to complain at every moment they get. It's time America comes together instead of being divided. Geez...where were you in the late 90s? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,414 #56 November 9, 2004 >These are angry, bitter people who stop at nothing to complain at >every moment they get. >It's time America comes together instead of being divided. Indeed. Imagine someone so angry and bitter he would use a woman's battle with cancer to make a political point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #57 November 9, 2004 >Miyasato speculated that he may have been picked because >his skills as a truck driver and refueler are in demand in Iraq. I can't imagine that the POL driver MOS requires such high degrees of "skill" that they'd need to dig someone out from the bottom of the IRR to come back in and do. >He told reporters he did the same work as that done by a >group of Army reservists who refused to deliver fuel along >a dangerous route in Iraq last month. Sheesh. Don't you just love when newswriters, who are supposed to report facts, thinly veil their own backhanded commentary into the story through creative emphasis? This, as if to say, "Army: 'Well, soldiers are refusing our stoopid suicide missions, so we need to go back into the IRR and see if we can find someone who we *can* kill.'" Which is over course b.s. in more ways than one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #58 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThese are angry, bitter people who stop at nothing to complain at every moment they get. This made me laugh out loud. Must be my well honed sense of irony... Haven't you heard? He is leading up the next "Hands Across America" _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #59 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhen you say split I always assumed you were referring to the plurality that Bush won Hi wendy Looks like we got a new outstanding contributer to SC. Welcome Mr Dorbie meet Peaceful Jeffrey, Mr Kennedy, Tuna, and the other outstanding members in SC no offence inted by includeing everyone but you know who you are. Disclaimer: Not all of the people in the USA agree with these outstanding folks.R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #60 November 9, 2004 [reply Indeed. Imagine someone so angry and bitter he would use a woman's battle with cancer to make a political point. Do you also give personal attack warnings to yourself?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #60 November 9, 2004 [reply Indeed. Imagine someone so angry and bitter he would use a woman's battle with cancer to make a political point. Do you also give personal attack warnings to yourself?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #61 November 9, 2004 QuoteDo you also give personal attack warnings to yourself? Liberals and moderators are excluded from forum rules. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #62 November 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteDo you also give personal attack warnings to yourself? Liberals and moderators are excluded from forum rules. Speakers corner is what it is. IMO it was set up for the outstanding cowboy's. the rules are minimal except you may be offended and you don't have to go there and read the BS in SC. That's the only rule I see. Kill commies kill them befor they kill us. We're doomed we're all doomed. Or just laugh your ass off A intelligent debate in SC is "illogical" (spock) R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flarelatedad 0 #63 November 9, 2004 Getting back to the original post... This guy says. "he believes he completed his eight-year obligation to the Army long ago." He is a supposedly a member of the Individual Ready Reseve. "The IRR is a manpower pool princially consisting of individuals who have had training and have previously served in the active forces or in the Selected Reserves. The IRR consists of obiligors who must fulfill their Military Service Obligation (8 year) under 10 U.S.C. 651, AND those who have fulfilled their MSO AND who voluntarily remain in the IRR." This is quoting a DOD directive on the IRR. Apparaently there is more to the story than what we're getting (although it does make a great sound bite for the media). IF this guy WAS NOT under contract the Army has NO POWER (read legal right) to involuntarily mobilize him. The system is fair (although slow at time). I believe the correct action was taken on him, by giving him a delay until this can be sorted. speaking in general terms, people reenlist in the IRR all the time never knowing really what they are doing. Only an issue when they get the phone call. My two cents. "Im not a part of any organized party...I'm a democrat" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #64 November 9, 2004 It's called inactive Ready Reserves. And it's legal, and it isn't a draft. When you get out, you spend a period of time in the IRR, just for cases like this. It's not a random draft...it's part of your initial obligation (and yeah, its in that contract signed at enlistment.) No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #65 November 9, 2004 QuoteI can't imagine that the POL driver MOS requires such high degrees of "skill" that they'd need to dig someone out from the bottom of the IRR to come back in and do. It's not as easy as just driving a truck. There all kinds of certifications they have to get. Takes time and money to train them. Much cheaper to call up a guy that has all the requirments and experiance. They may also be short in a certain rank. They mayhave enough drivers, but not enough NCO's to lead them. Many reasons why they would call a guy like him back into service. I am glad they did away with my MOS (actually combined it with another). I did have fears of them trying to call me back as well. I wouldn't be surprised if one day this thing has drug on long enough they try and call up more people that have skills they need. QuoteHe told reporters he did the same work as that done by a >group of Army reservists who refused to deliver fuel along >a dangerous route in Iraq last month. There has to be more to that story then is being told. Soldiers don't have the luxury of refusing to do anything, unless it is an unlawful order. FOr the record, I bet that being a POL driver over there is one of the most dangerous jobs they have do get done. Can you imagine being at a POL site with thousands of gallons of fuel around you and knowing at any time some yahoo can drive up with a car bomb?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #66 November 9, 2004 QuoteThere has to be more to that story then is being told. There is....it was all over the news and a couple of threads on here about it. They did indeed refuse their orders stating that they were ordered to drive through insurgent held areas in trucks hauling contaminated fuel with no armor and no escort. Their commanding officer has since "requested reassignment". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #67 November 10, 2004 QuoteIt's called inactive Ready Reserves. And it's legal, and it isn't a draft. When you get out, you spend a period of time in the IRR, just for cases like this. It's not a random draft...it's part of your initial obligation (and yeah, its in that contract signed at enlistment.) Agreed I think I got a offical discharge certificate somewhere. Sounds like the guy did his time,there was a clerical error, followed by a gentlemens error. The sad part is the lawyer that had to talk to the Judge to solve a slam dunk doesn't work for free. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #68 November 10, 2004 QuoteTheir commanding officer has since "requested reassignment". Sounds like the officer stood up for his troops an is taking the heat. Didn't think it would be the soldiers refusing. They would have done what they were told. As far as all over the news stuff. I try and not listen to the news to much. It is very sad everytime I turn it on.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtpilot 0 #69 November 10, 2004 Well sounds like the draft hasnt been reenstated but if you were in the military you are always in the military. Still dont know how he will be activated. My contract says that I am entitled to serve for 6 years and 2 years pretty much in a draft state. Beyond that they cant touch me. "Believe me! The secret of reaping the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment from life is to live dangerously!" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #70 November 10, 2004 QuoteMy contract says that I am entitled to serve for 6 years and 2 years pretty much in a draft state. Beyond that they cant touch me. You will be in IRR. Not draft status. BIG difference. Talk to you re-enlistment NCO. See what he has to say about your status in IRR when you get out. SOmeone else posted on here how guys reenlist in IRR and didn't even realize when they did it.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #71 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteTheir commanding officer has since "requested reassignment". Sounds like the officer stood up for his troops an is taking the heat. Didn't think it would be the soldiers refusing. They would have done what they were told. As far as all over the news stuff. I try and not listen to the news to much. It is very sad everytime I turn it on. I'm guessing the other direction, The officer had a chance to use her brain, but just said "no me officer" Surprise! The dumb shit enlisted swine didn't go thru the chain of command. They went to the court of public opinion, and their congress person. The officer that resigned put the one star on the hot seat. Whats the difference between requesting reassignment and getting a hint that it's time to move on. Officers do things their way like ladies and gentlemen.Enlisted swine have to be more creative Thats the unwritten rules, the way i read it. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #72 November 10, 2004 QuoteDo you also give personal attack warnings to yourself? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Liberals and moderators are excluded from forum rules. I don't recall BillVon or any of the other moderators using personal attacks. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #73 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteI can't imagine that the POL driver MOS requires such high degrees of "skill" that they'd need to dig someone out from the bottom of the IRR to come back in and do. It's not as easy as just driving a truck. There all kinds of certifications they have to get. Takes time and money to train them. Much cheaper to call up a guy that has all the requirments and experiance. They may also be short in a certain rank. They mayhave enough drivers, but not enough NCO's to lead them. Many reasons why they would call a guy like him back into service. I am glad they did away with my MOS (actually combined it with another). I did have fears of them trying to call me back as well. I wouldn't be surprised if one day this thing has drug on long enough they try and call up more people that have skills they need. QuoteHe told reporters he did the same work as that done by a >group of Army reservists who refused to deliver fuel along >a dangerous route in Iraq last month. There has to be more to that story then is being told. Soldiers don't have the luxury of refusing to do anything, unless it is an unlawful order. FOr the record, I bet that being a POL driver over there is one of the most dangerous jobs they have do get done. Can you imagine being at a POL site with thousands of gallons of fuel around you and knowing at any time some yahoo can drive up with a car bomb? Orders are orders if i was still eliagble for the IRR I would start eating ice cream aand happy meals, use drugs and marry my second become a bigamist and marry a guy. So I would like to go but damn I can't fit in my uniform, i need daily supply of meth and my boy toy wife is my dependent. Asking a recruiter anything except where to sign is asking for a failure to communicate. There are plenty of folks that would be willing to drive a POL truck in iraq. Army got to put in a request to halliburton, new truck experienced well paid driver, well maintaned truck is on its way. No problemo the fuel is on the way, the bill is in the mail. BTW the experienced NCO? he's retired he works now for haliburton. I think they call that double dipping. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #74 November 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteDo you also give personal attack warnings to yourself? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Liberals and moderators are excluded from forum rules. I don't recall BillVon or any of the other moderators using personal attacks. FWIW - gotta agree here, the moderators always have the self control to step back whenever it looks like any of them are getting to the boiling point. As far as liberals getting an easier ride? It sure seems like it from what I've read here. But I don't know if that's intentional, perceived or a combination of a VERY minor bias and a shorter fuse for the repeat offenders. (I'm going with the shorter fuse thing. As such, it would seems fair.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #75 November 10, 2004 You might want to look up the story. It got a whole lot of publicity. You're way off base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
