jceman 1 #26 July 21, 2005 QuoteOk, I'm a little lost. How is this Ben and Cary with non existent DZs any different than Skyride? It's not -- Ben and Cary ARE Skyride, the non-existent DZs are just another of their scams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #27 July 21, 2005 QuoteBen and Cary banned for life... August 16 That's so freakin KICK ASS! It's been years in the making but I am SO glad to see it. It's a great day! Fuck You Fuckin Fuckers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #28 July 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteBen and Cary banned for life... August 16 That's so freakin KICK ASS! It's been years in the making but I am SO glad to see it. It's a great day! Fuck You Fuckin Fuckers! What he said....but you know what? I seriously doubt any impact on their scam...only courts will do that.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #29 July 21, 2005 QuoteI seriously doubt any impact on their scam...only courts will do that. Yeah..............shortly after I posted that I thought "Hmmm..............wonder how long it will take them to find a 'silent' owner." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,406 #30 July 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy personal favorite now? Did anyone know there's now a SkyVan in Green Bay? Anyone recognize this plane? http://www.skydivegreenbay.com/aircraftexp.html Dude...you didn't read the caption... QuoteOur 24 passenger SUPER Twin Otter, pictured here... You don't understand; What is pictured is the box the Otter came in. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #31 July 21, 2005 Quote no. ben and carey are skyride. SDLV is not. they have a shitty reputation for completely different reasons. Everyone can thank SDLV for keeping your home DZ open. The lawsuits that caused SDLV to start their policies about fun jumpers and the such came about from some lawsuits from family members after a fatality. Their release of liability stood up firmly in court and also created a modern example of such for future reference. This was the first lawsuit in the recent past that was taken fully through court, a very important step in proving those signed documents.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #32 July 21, 2005 Why would they need a "silent owner"? They don't give 1/2 a rats ass about USPA anyway! ...Remember, they have THEIR OWN "National Sanctioning" Body (organization)!! DOH! Unfortunately, although it DOES show CHARACTER (and "spine" as one other has called it) on the part of USPA ...that really is, pretty much just about it. I would not anticipate this "action" to have ANY (real) impact on their SLEAZY business practices otherwise, whatsoever. coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #33 July 21, 2005 That's be a nice trick, doing flips under the drouge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #34 July 21, 2005 I don't know if it was the first ( and I am not saying youre wrong) but I do know the the lawsuit was fought tooth and nail and he won. even though I am pretty sure he spent almost half of his left nut on the case. I also believe that he was a tandem mill at that time already. Its NOT his business practices that I dislike. (actually he made a HUGE dropzone work) it's his attitude towarxd fun jumpers that gets under my skin. but like I said in the first response, he doesnt really own the DZ anymore. He's just pulling the stringsMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pauld767 0 #35 July 21, 2005 Can someone post a link to the anouncement (if an official announcement has been published) Thanks, Paul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #36 July 21, 2005 Quote Everyone can thank SDLV for keeping your home DZ open. The lawsuits that caused SDLV to start their policies about fun jumpers and the such came about from some lawsuits from family members after a fatality. Their release of liability stood up firmly in court and also created a modern example of such for future reference. This was the first lawsuit in the recent past that was taken fully through court, a very important step in proving those signed documents. You're giving Hawkes too much credit. Mr. Booth has done a nice job of representing us on the legal front (as do other people/businesses) and Laidlaw vs. Dyck was a black eye even if it did happen in a Canadian court. The Pappadato suit was not a cornerstone, it was just another brick in the wall. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #37 July 21, 2005 I believe its from the DZO section of th eUPSA site. not everyone can see itMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitational 0 #38 July 21, 2005 Quote...it's his attitude towarxd fun jumpers that gets under my skin. A couple years ago, I had a long convo with Mr. Hawkes and as jtval put it above, this is the story he gave me as well. Unfortunately, it falls into the category of the few ruining the fun for the many. He eliminated the general cause of his headaches and didn't have anymore.------ Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #39 July 21, 2005 Right, we wouldnt want regualr, dues paying USPA members knowing what goes on would we __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #40 July 21, 2005 QuoteRight, we wouldnt want regualr, dues paying USPA members knowing what goes on would we LOL I guess not. but from the original post I think its the Active member data log(or whatever the USPA callsit) that shows this info. y know like when you visit a DZ and forget your license they can look you up and see you are still a member. I think its in that sectionMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #41 July 21, 2005 I was at Cedartown a couple of years ago and I asked Ben what he thought about the flack he gets from their business practices. His reply was, "I just laugh my way to the bank." Hopefully this is just the beginning to running their dz's and Skyride out of business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bseriesboosted 0 #42 July 21, 2005 Has chuting star also lost their group membership.... if not they will probably turn the dz over to them and continue to "lease" the aircraft and still be a uspa dropzone... looks to me as they have already found a way around the systemPruitt Skydive The Farm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #43 July 21, 2005 QuoteHas chuting star also lost their group membership.... if not they will probably turn the dz over to them and continue to "lease" the aircraft and still be a uspa dropzone... looks to me as they have already found a way around the system no, mike has not lost it. hopefully he is smart and gets out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #44 July 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteHas chuting star also lost their group membership.... if not they will probably turn the dz over to them and continue to "lease" the aircraft and still be a uspa dropzone... looks to me as they have already found a way around the system no, mike has not lost it. hopefully he is smart and gets out. If I understand USPA's rules right, a school or rigging business that obtains a DZ GM has to be affiliated with a real DZ that has a DZ GM. Now that ASC will lose its DZ GM on August 16, Chuting Star's GM will cease to exist as well. They're fucked, plain and simple. But will that keep them from jumping? No. They just won't enjoy the benefits that USPA gives its members, like 3rd party insurance, DZ defense funds, etc..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #45 July 22, 2005 So, what realistic changes do people think will come from this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #46 July 23, 2005 QuoteSo, what realistic changes do people think will come from this? Other DZO's might hesitate a bit before doing business with them. Whether it affects what they do directly or not, the black eye ought to have some effect on their ability to attract business "partners". Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
