artistcalledian 0 #1 November 22, 2005 i've ordered a new, complete rig and am waiting for it to turn up i've been thinking recently about the thing i grab onto to deploy the pilot chute. On the rigs i've jumped, its been a hard plastic tube, but on the rig i've ordered (pilot 188 main) its a soft hackey sack Can this be changed if i don't feel safe trying to crab something i might not sure i've got in my hand? i feel confident i've got the hard plastic tube, i was thinking i might be wasting valuable time deciding if i've got the hackey sack or not (mainly if i'm wearing gloves)________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #2 November 22, 2005 I personally don't like hackey sacks, but you really don't need to worry about not being able to feel it - they are probably the easiest handle of the lot to feel and get a good grip on - even with thick gloves on. Make sure you spend some time with an instructor doing practice pulls on the ground before you jump your new gear and you will see that you have nothing to worry about. Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #3 November 22, 2005 I've never had a problem deploying with a toggle, hackey or freefly handle (my current setup). You can always do some practice touches/pulls in gloves on the ground whilst laying on a creeper if you aren't comfortable/confident until you think you have the new "muscle memory" down. Talk with your instructors for more guidance. Some hackeys are smaller than others and can get pushed into the BOC pouch if you aren't careful so I always touched mine before I exited. Just my $0.02.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #4 November 22, 2005 Quote Can this be changed if i don't feel safe trying to crab something i might not sure i've got in my hand? Yep, it doesn't take too long to do. I think you'll find the hackey easier to grab than the tube though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #5 November 22, 2005 I went from a tube on the rental gear to a hacky once I got my own. I prefer the hacky. Easier for me to get a good grip with gloves on. I had to replace my PC and it had a smaller hacky on it. Only took a couple practice touches to be use to the smaller size.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #6 November 22, 2005 thanks for the advice folks.... i'll practice pulling on the ground, and i'f i'm not 100%, i'll not go up untill i'm either 100% i can grab it every time and know i've grabbed it, or i'll get a hard tube put on it________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #7 November 22, 2005 Good call. For reference, I've never had problems, even through scuba gloves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #8 November 22, 2005 Quotethanks for the advice folks.... i'll practice pulling on the ground, and i'f i'm not 100%, i'll not go up untill i'm either 100% i can grab it every time and know i've grabbed it, or i'll get a hard tube put on it Not to say you should not work with people you trust in person, but I can say, I never have had a problem telling the difference between my hacky and other parts of my body/rig.... I think you will like it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #9 November 22, 2005 I say jump it and see if you like it, and change it if you don't. (Or be lazy and get used to it. ) If I were ever worried about a handle's grabbability, I'd just hop-and-pop it and hold it out the door. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #10 November 23, 2005 Yeah, that. Ian, I'm in the same boat as you (now waiting for a first rig to ship*, ordered it with hackey). I jumped rigs with both types of handle pretty evenly through AFF and consols, and never felt entirely comfortable with the plastic tube handle (had a hard pull with one on AFF 2 or 3, probably not the handle's fault but I felt like I couldn't get a proper grip on it and the feeling stuck with me). The hackey just seems to fall more quickly into the security of my palm, rather than needing to be gripped with my fingers. I imagine those little practice golf-ball things would do the same thing. But then, I know people who prefer the exact opposite (they want to feel what they're doing with their fingertips). Isn't choice lovely? (*It's built! It's built! That means someone, somewhere has already seen it. It's REAL! Mwahahahahahaaaaa!)-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 November 23, 2005 While it would be harder to do with gloves on, I've heard stories about fingers being caught in the tubes. I've used three different types and, for me, the hackey was the second easiest behind the tube.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 60 #12 November 23, 2005 QuoteI've heard stories about fingers being caught in the tubes. ...Or in can be snagged against some sticking part of an airplane... Also, my index finger got stuck in the PVC pipe/tube handle after I pulled on one jump! Talk about surprise - my right hand fully extended, palm open, and PC "attached" to my finger! I shook it off and it deployed normally... But it was scary. After that someone advised me to put a wine bottle cork (which is very lightwieght and provides very snug fitting) into the PVC pipe/tube to avoid this problem... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #13 November 23, 2005 I would try what has been suggested here. When you get your rig, practice throwing-out your p/c with the hackey. After awhile, you'll find you'll like it. When you are jumping student gear, you tend to get used to or even liking things about that gear. When you get your own gear, you'll find that student gear is nowhere near what you have. I wore gloves a lot when jumping and never had trouble finding/throwing-out my hackey. I think, you'll really like it. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #14 November 23, 2005 My finger never got stuck in a plastic pipe (the handle on all the BOC ripcord student rigs where I learned) but it was normal for me to find I had a bleeding cuticle on one of my right-hand fingers when I got to the ground. See, when I pull, I send the iron-fingered gorilla hand back to the PC pocket to get the job done , and preserving my manicure is not a priority. I guess the way I curl my fingers in the iron-fingered gorilla hand prevents them getting stuck in anything. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #15 November 23, 2005 I got a freefly pud on my new rig.........and its not as 'easy' to access and pull as a hacky was... That said it IS a much more secure system than a hackey ( and I have had a high speed premature deployment, which made me think hard about the security of the system) Its not as easy as a hackey to pull....but in a weird kinda way I like the way it makes me focus on my pull at pull time in a way I just didnt with a hackey ....ie good body position and a FIRM grip and toss on the handle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #16 November 27, 2005 Quote I've heard stories about fingers being caught in the tubes. yup, me, that's why I prefer a hacky. but other than that, they're both sitting in the same spot at pull time and i can't say i've noticed either being 'easier' or 'harder' to pull - though i don't jump with gloves.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #17 November 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteI've heard stories about fingers being caught in the tubes. ...Or in can be snagged against some sticking part of an airplane... Also, my index finger got stuck in the PVC pipe/tube handle after I pulled on one jump! Talk about surprise - my right hand fully extended, palm open, and PC "attached" to my finger! I shook it off and it deployed normally... But it was scary. After that someone advised me to put a wine bottle cork (which is very lightwieght and provides very snug fitting) into the PVC pipe/tube to avoid this problem... I am not sure a hackey is more secure than the PVC tube. The tube is lighter, harder and I think less likely to snag on the inside of the plane. I always go for the tube because the hackey seems like a rip off when it is time to pay. I use gloves in the winter, I never wear heavy gloves - as thin as possible to avoid fumbling if in trouble... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 60 #18 November 27, 2005 If you want an easy, non-slip grip AND hard surface, go for MONKEY FIST handle. Check these seven Monkey Fost THREADS for more info: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=%22monkey+fist%22+-re%3A&search_type=AND&search_fields=s&search_time=&search_user_username=&sb=score&mh=50 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RMURRAY 1 #19 November 28, 2005 do they make them lighter than before. I didn't like them for that reason like hooknswoop stated... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 60 #20 November 28, 2005 Quotedo they make them lighter than before. I didn't like them for that reason like hooknswoop stated... They use these yellow soft-foam-practice-golfballs, which weigh like nothing. Check the "What's inside of Monkey Fist handle?" discussion here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1501286#1501286 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
RMURRAY 1 #19 November 28, 2005 do they make them lighter than before. I didn't like them for that reason like hooknswoop stated... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 60 #20 November 28, 2005 Quotedo they make them lighter than before. I didn't like them for that reason like hooknswoop stated... They use these yellow soft-foam-practice-golfballs, which weigh like nothing. Check the "What's inside of Monkey Fist handle?" discussion here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1501286#1501286 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
