Amanduh 0 #1 March 24, 2005 These are the two rigs I am stuck between getting right now. If you prefer one over the other please let me know why. Pro's & Con's of each, etc. Thanks!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottMcC 0 #2 March 24, 2005 They're both awesome rigs. I liked the way the wings fit me compared to the javelin, but this is purely personal preference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #3 March 24, 2005 You REALLY want a Vector 3You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #4 March 24, 2005 If you're buying new, and intend to use an RSL, the Vector III with a Skyhook is a good choice. If the Skyhook isn't your thing, look into an Infinty as well. I just got one, and the build time was SHORT, the cust service was A-1, the price was good, and the finished product was very nice. I've inspected many rigs, inside and out, and this one is as good or better than any I've seen. Very well constructed and nicely finished. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #5 March 24, 2005 Um, I don't have either - but only hear great things about Wings & it's less expensive & it has all the optinos Jav's have. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybeergodd 0 #6 March 24, 2005 I second and third all the votes for a Vector 3...(Micron Baby!!!!!WOOHOO)...but if your gonna choose between a Wings or a Javelin...be nice to your rigger and go with the Javelin. He will love you alot more for that choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #7 March 24, 2005 I love my Wings, and I personally prefer the up-tucking main flap compared to the main flap design on Javelins and Infinities. Wings is cheaper, too. Just take in everybody's opinions and decide what's important to you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #8 March 24, 2005 both are great rigs, but i really like the wings (i'm on my third). the price is cheaper and the delivery time is shorter than the jav. in my opinion i think the wings is more comfortable, but that's just my opinion. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KCJumper 0 #9 March 24, 2005 I love my wings. They are so comfortable under canopy and even when just waiting for a load. I have owned a javelin and a vector 2. Out of the 3 I like my Wings the best. Just my 2 cents though. Good luck on deciding. Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fab 0 #10 March 24, 2005 The wings..Awesome rig...but with everything in this sport...it's a personal choice + point of the wings are lower price and delivery time. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #11 March 24, 2005 Quotebe nice to your rigger and go with the Javelin where does that come from? I find both rigs to pack just as easily. I own both and I like the Wings better for the following reasons (all my opinions by the way so don't flame away): -Better design yoke, reserve top flap, and riser covers. -Better main top flap, tucks up and under. -Better wrap around corners, jav don't have them. -Stronger reserve front risers, newer jav use type 6 instead of type 7. Wings use type 7. -Better articulation without the need of chest d-rings. -Better design reverve free-bag. -Beefier cutway handle. -Better looks -Not to mention cheeper and faster delivery time. -Some riggers have problems making the reserve PC sitting right on the Wings. I don't find this problem. Don't get me wrong, the Jav is a fine rig but I think the Wings is superior.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #12 March 24, 2005 Why limit yourself to those two options? In my ever-so-humble opinion, the Javelin has the second most outdated design of all the rigs on the market, specifically the main closing flap. Strangely, it's one of the more expensive rigs on the market. The Wings has a better design and it's also one of the least expensive rigs, but it doesn't have the option for chest rings. The Aerodyne Icon, RWS Vector III, and the Mirage are all in the same price-range of the Javelin, and have superior main closing flaps, and a hidden reserve poptop. Why rule out those three options? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #13 March 24, 2005 QuoteIf you're buying new, and intend to use an RSL, the Vector III with a Skyhook is a good choice. If the Skyhook isn't your thing, look into an Infinty as well. I just got one, and the build time was SHORT, the cust service was A-1, the price was good, and the finished product was very nice. I've inspected many rigs, inside and out, and this one is as good or better than any I've seen. Very well constructed and nicely finished. Dave, I have about 3900 jumps less than you, but I agree. I know a lot of high jump individuals who praise the RSL as either the only RSL they would jump or as the RSL of their next rig. I am not a big Javelin fan after jumping one for about 10 jumps. It just did not fit me (even though it was sized right for me.) That I think is completely body size/shape, like I can’t wear Reebok but can wear Nikes. After jumping a bunch of rentals/demos, I narrowed it down to Infinity and Vector (I never had the opportunity to jump a Wings) I also found the Infinity staff to be exceptional, and the demo unit I jumped for a weekend was awesome… In retrospect, I think I would have gotten an Infinity over the Vector because of all the hassles I had on the ordering of the Vector… For an example, my new Vector was shipped late AND without the freebag and reserve PC… Kind of a major oversight in my opinion that I find hard to explain. Add that to the fact they added weeks to the estimated delivery after they had my money, I lost faith in the company’s customer support… Not to say I lost faith in the technology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbla4024 0 #14 March 24, 2005 And which one is first most outdated design of all the rigs on the market? Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #15 March 24, 2005 Ok, i'll be the bastard : ALCHEMY= Javelin ANOMALY=Wings Who won nationals? Coincidence? I think not. In all seriousness, i jump Javelins. That is my choice. I have put some jumps on wings rigs and i liked them. I have several friends that jump wings and i have never seen or heard anything bad about them. I would go with what you think is best for you. I don't think you could go wrong with either one. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #16 March 24, 2005 Personally, in my not-so-humble opinion, that would be the Racer. Feel free to disagree. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #17 March 24, 2005 QuotePersonally, in my not-so-humble opinion, that would be the Racer. Feel free to disagree. Have you taken a close look in person to the 2K3?Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JGarcia 0 #18 March 24, 2005 Hi Amanduh, In the 9+ years I've spent in the sport I've jumped Dolphin, Javelin, Jav Odyssey, Vector II, Vector III, Talon II, Quasar, Eclipse, Racer, Mirage, Atom Legend, and Wings. After I jumped a friend's Wings, I loved it so much that I became a dealer for them! In my experience (and my opinion), you cannot beat the quality, comfort, workmanship, and price of the Wings container. Their custumer service is awesome and their delivery time is ridiculous. Right now it's at 6 to 8 weeks...with most closer to the 6 week mark. PM me if you want to know more details... I'm not sure if we got a chance to meet at Dublin, but I was the guy who had the cut-away/reserve ride last load of the day Saturday flying the Birdman Suit (with my trusty Wings H/C system). LOL... or you may remember me form the bonfire Sat nite as the guy wearing the string of shamrocks wrapped around my chest and arms, no shirt. . Cheers! --JairoLow Profile, snag free helmet mount for your Sony X3000 action cam! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #19 March 24, 2005 Word I heard at Dublin is that Sunpath is working on new secondary riser covers similar to the Micron. If they work out then Jav has one more thing going for them. If I was to order a rig today Bill Booth would be getting my business. He already build my GF's rig. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #20 March 24, 2005 Sunpath unvieled the new internal riser covers at the symposium. They are almost identical to the infinity internal riser covers. I think they become standars on april 1st, along with new beefier handles standard and new toggles and dive loops as "swoop options". Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tink1717 2 #21 March 24, 2005 I have owned both Javelin and Wings. I am a rigger and for my money, Wings is it. They are more comfortable than Javelins and cost less with a better delivery time. I bought my first Wings as a second system. It fit so much better that the Javelin that I gutted the Javelin and bought a second Wings. PM me if you want more details.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amanduh 0 #22 March 24, 2005 I appreciate all responses. I am not limitied to these two. I have been jumping a Javelin Odyssey and I love it. I have not jumped anything else. It was just mentioned to me that Wings would be cheaper and fits better. I am new to the sport and I trust the people that recommended the wings, but I know I've jumped the Javelin and love it. I don't know anythign else (Fit wise, etc). If any of you would like to give me more detailed words of wisdom PLEASE send me a PM at your will. I am using this information for myself, and myself only. I appreciate all responses! Thank you!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites voodew1 0 #23 March 24, 2005 ICON? I have 2 Javs and 1 Icon -- The Icon is just as comfortable and has better pin protection -- Comes fully loaded--stainless/hip rings/cut-in lats -you've seen the ads and delivery is 12 weeks If only they were more flexible with the color patterns it would be one of the top rigs on the market The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fab 0 #24 March 24, 2005 There are no cut in laterals for the Icon I5 and the I6. Most probably the size he's going to order. The I4 is for a 135-150 main I believe and is the biggest container which has cut-in-laterals. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites verticalflyer66 0 #25 March 24, 2005 Mirage G4 rules the sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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skygod7777 0 #8 March 24, 2005 both are great rigs, but i really like the wings (i'm on my third). the price is cheaper and the delivery time is shorter than the jav. in my opinion i think the wings is more comfortable, but that's just my opinion. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCJumper 0 #9 March 24, 2005 I love my wings. They are so comfortable under canopy and even when just waiting for a load. I have owned a javelin and a vector 2. Out of the 3 I like my Wings the best. Just my 2 cents though. Good luck on deciding. Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #10 March 24, 2005 The wings..Awesome rig...but with everything in this sport...it's a personal choice + point of the wings are lower price and delivery time. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #11 March 24, 2005 Quotebe nice to your rigger and go with the Javelin where does that come from? I find both rigs to pack just as easily. I own both and I like the Wings better for the following reasons (all my opinions by the way so don't flame away): -Better design yoke, reserve top flap, and riser covers. -Better main top flap, tucks up and under. -Better wrap around corners, jav don't have them. -Stronger reserve front risers, newer jav use type 6 instead of type 7. Wings use type 7. -Better articulation without the need of chest d-rings. -Better design reverve free-bag. -Beefier cutway handle. -Better looks -Not to mention cheeper and faster delivery time. -Some riggers have problems making the reserve PC sitting right on the Wings. I don't find this problem. Don't get me wrong, the Jav is a fine rig but I think the Wings is superior.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #12 March 24, 2005 Why limit yourself to those two options? In my ever-so-humble opinion, the Javelin has the second most outdated design of all the rigs on the market, specifically the main closing flap. Strangely, it's one of the more expensive rigs on the market. The Wings has a better design and it's also one of the least expensive rigs, but it doesn't have the option for chest rings. The Aerodyne Icon, RWS Vector III, and the Mirage are all in the same price-range of the Javelin, and have superior main closing flaps, and a hidden reserve poptop. Why rule out those three options? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #13 March 24, 2005 QuoteIf you're buying new, and intend to use an RSL, the Vector III with a Skyhook is a good choice. If the Skyhook isn't your thing, look into an Infinty as well. I just got one, and the build time was SHORT, the cust service was A-1, the price was good, and the finished product was very nice. I've inspected many rigs, inside and out, and this one is as good or better than any I've seen. Very well constructed and nicely finished. Dave, I have about 3900 jumps less than you, but I agree. I know a lot of high jump individuals who praise the RSL as either the only RSL they would jump or as the RSL of their next rig. I am not a big Javelin fan after jumping one for about 10 jumps. It just did not fit me (even though it was sized right for me.) That I think is completely body size/shape, like I can’t wear Reebok but can wear Nikes. After jumping a bunch of rentals/demos, I narrowed it down to Infinity and Vector (I never had the opportunity to jump a Wings) I also found the Infinity staff to be exceptional, and the demo unit I jumped for a weekend was awesome… In retrospect, I think I would have gotten an Infinity over the Vector because of all the hassles I had on the ordering of the Vector… For an example, my new Vector was shipped late AND without the freebag and reserve PC… Kind of a major oversight in my opinion that I find hard to explain. Add that to the fact they added weeks to the estimated delivery after they had my money, I lost faith in the company’s customer support… Not to say I lost faith in the technology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #14 March 24, 2005 And which one is first most outdated design of all the rigs on the market? Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #15 March 24, 2005 Ok, i'll be the bastard : ALCHEMY= Javelin ANOMALY=Wings Who won nationals? Coincidence? I think not. In all seriousness, i jump Javelins. That is my choice. I have put some jumps on wings rigs and i liked them. I have several friends that jump wings and i have never seen or heard anything bad about them. I would go with what you think is best for you. I don't think you could go wrong with either one. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #16 March 24, 2005 Personally, in my not-so-humble opinion, that would be the Racer. Feel free to disagree. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #17 March 24, 2005 QuotePersonally, in my not-so-humble opinion, that would be the Racer. Feel free to disagree. Have you taken a close look in person to the 2K3?Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JGarcia 0 #18 March 24, 2005 Hi Amanduh, In the 9+ years I've spent in the sport I've jumped Dolphin, Javelin, Jav Odyssey, Vector II, Vector III, Talon II, Quasar, Eclipse, Racer, Mirage, Atom Legend, and Wings. After I jumped a friend's Wings, I loved it so much that I became a dealer for them! In my experience (and my opinion), you cannot beat the quality, comfort, workmanship, and price of the Wings container. Their custumer service is awesome and their delivery time is ridiculous. Right now it's at 6 to 8 weeks...with most closer to the 6 week mark. PM me if you want to know more details... I'm not sure if we got a chance to meet at Dublin, but I was the guy who had the cut-away/reserve ride last load of the day Saturday flying the Birdman Suit (with my trusty Wings H/C system). LOL... or you may remember me form the bonfire Sat nite as the guy wearing the string of shamrocks wrapped around my chest and arms, no shirt. . Cheers! --JairoLow Profile, snag free helmet mount for your Sony X3000 action cam! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #19 March 24, 2005 Word I heard at Dublin is that Sunpath is working on new secondary riser covers similar to the Micron. If they work out then Jav has one more thing going for them. If I was to order a rig today Bill Booth would be getting my business. He already build my GF's rig. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #20 March 24, 2005 Sunpath unvieled the new internal riser covers at the symposium. They are almost identical to the infinity internal riser covers. I think they become standars on april 1st, along with new beefier handles standard and new toggles and dive loops as "swoop options". Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #21 March 24, 2005 I have owned both Javelin and Wings. I am a rigger and for my money, Wings is it. They are more comfortable than Javelins and cost less with a better delivery time. I bought my first Wings as a second system. It fit so much better that the Javelin that I gutted the Javelin and bought a second Wings. PM me if you want more details.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #22 March 24, 2005 I appreciate all responses. I am not limitied to these two. I have been jumping a Javelin Odyssey and I love it. I have not jumped anything else. It was just mentioned to me that Wings would be cheaper and fits better. I am new to the sport and I trust the people that recommended the wings, but I know I've jumped the Javelin and love it. I don't know anythign else (Fit wise, etc). If any of you would like to give me more detailed words of wisdom PLEASE send me a PM at your will. I am using this information for myself, and myself only. I appreciate all responses! Thank you!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #23 March 24, 2005 ICON? I have 2 Javs and 1 Icon -- The Icon is just as comfortable and has better pin protection -- Comes fully loaded--stainless/hip rings/cut-in lats -you've seen the ads and delivery is 12 weeks If only they were more flexible with the color patterns it would be one of the top rigs on the market The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #24 March 24, 2005 There are no cut in laterals for the Icon I5 and the I6. Most probably the size he's going to order. The I4 is for a 135-150 main I believe and is the biggest container which has cut-in-laterals. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer66 0 #25 March 24, 2005 Mirage G4 rules the sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
