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QuoteMust be a new practice,
No it is not.
That is because when we ask them if they want any factory updates they said yes.QuoteI know a few people that had to go to riggers to have thier freebags (Re-modified) after they sent their Racers in for repack and got their bag changed to a rubber band stow.
QuoteAnd when they asked for the old design they were told no.
Who said no? Because like LouDiamond said, we have both. We strongly suggest the speedbag but no required update has been made. And in fact, most customers want the freebag. And once the riggers attend one of our rigging seminars here at the factory or at any of the boogies that we attend, there is usually no further issues. I would recommend that when you become a rigger that you attend the training.
QuoteMaybe this policy has changed, and if it has for sure, then you can tell us about it.
There has been no policy change. We still support both types but strongly recommend the speedbag.
QuoteI do know that Jumpshack doesn't care for the safety stow at all, so I dont see them selling something they dont believe in. Curious, sell something that you feel unsafe, or stick to your guns and back up your design?
Ray, there is a difference between safe and safer or unsafe and safe. The above is only your perception and not the representation of the company. Please do not mislead people.
Mike Forsythe
Jump Shack
masher 1
Any followups on this? Are Jumpshack still providing the shock cord free bag _and_ the speed bag?
I haven't had any rigging training, and I don't know any of the pros and cons of each type of bag...
I haven't had any rigging training, and I don't know any of the pros and cons of each type of bag...
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Arching is overrated - Marlies
Arching is overrated - Marlies
masher 1
mmm seems I just missed that... 
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Arching is overrated - Marlies
Arching is overrated - Marlies
There have been two incidents that I know of and maybe more. This was discussed at the last PIA conference.QuoteThe shock cord has caused baglocks on reserve freebags? When? I cant find an incedent anywhere.
QuoteHelp me out, with so many manufacturers using the shock cord, has there ever been a case of a bag lock due to the shock cord?
Yes
QuoteAdd up all the reserve rides that will equal many thousands, I think that will prove shock cord is a fairly good design.
I agree that it is a fairly good design that is time proven, but it is not 100% full proff. So are you saying that we should not try to improve it?
QuoteSaying that your design is proven because you have thousands of jumps on it works, but it also hurts saying the old design isnt as good, or can cause problems, (ie line dump, baglock) because there has been many thousands of jumps on the shock cord, freestow design. There has been hard openings with the freestow design, but until there has been as many jumps on your design as the freestow design, the jury is still out.
It may "hurt" but innovation and progress will happen. That is like saying the skyhook "hurts" because it may be better than a regular RSL. People usually do not like change because the have accepted what they have and are comfortable with it, but that should never interfere with innovation and progress. Heck, I can remember when people fought over having a shoulder harness on their car seats because their "lap belts have always worked fine"
Rdutch 0
That is because when we ask them if they want any factory updates they said yes.QuoteI know a few people that had to go to riggers to have thier freebags (Re-modified) after they sent their Racers in for repack and got their bag changed to a rubber band stow.
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I dont want to mislead people, and I think people should make up their ownmind, you should go to Deland and talk to Ron Solo
, he had his bag modified and he asked them not to, when he asked for the old design he was told not possible, he then had to find a masterrigger to remodify his bag back to the old design. Like I said maybe you have changed this practice since then, and if it has then I gave the oportunity to let us know.
Safe unsafe, my perception? I agree with you, but in your previous posts you mention how dangerous the shock cord design is very strongly, so Im wondering why you would sell something you feel so unsafe?.
Ray
Small and fast what every girl dreams of!
QuoteI dont want to mislead people, and I think people should make up their ownmind, you should go to Deland and talk to Ron Solo, he had his bag modified and he asked them not to, when he asked for the old design he was told not possible, he then had to find a masterrigger to remodify his bag back to the old design. Like I said maybe you have changed this practice since then, and if it has then I gave the oportunity to let us know.
So now we have gone from a few to a single incident that may or may not have happened out of thousands of rigs that have been built. As previously stated our practice has not changed. We still strongly suggest that the speed bag be used.
QuoteSafe unsafe, my perception? I agree with you, but in your previous posts you mention how dangerous the shock cord design is very strongly, so Im wondering why you would sell something you feel so unsafe?.
I never stated that it was “dangerous” so please quit improperly quoting me. In fact what I posted was “I agree that it is a fairly good design that is time proven, but it is not 100% full proof.” As for the rest of your comments they have been clearly addressed in previous post.
All I can say is WOW!
I want to thank all of the posters for their input!
And especially for more than their 2 cents worth.
What a great bunch of opinions...
Thanks Again!
MaxMadMax
Don't go away mad....just go away!
I want to thank all of the posters for their input!
And especially for more than their 2 cents worth.
What a great bunch of opinions...
Thanks Again!
MaxMadMax
Don't go away mad....just go away!
skr 1
>So post me an opinion on Racer containers.
Nothing to add to the what's been said but I
still like them. I got my first one in 1976 and
the one I have now about 10 years ago.
The only upgrade I would do is cover the bit
of exposed bridle.
Skr
Nothing to add to the what's been said but I
still like them. I got my first one in 1976 and
the one I have now about 10 years ago.
The only upgrade I would do is cover the bit
of exposed bridle.
Skr
It 'almost' hugs your body like a Racer?
"It's only arrogance if you can't back it up"
Shock cord on locking stows have caused baglocks on reserve freebags.
The speed bag main bag and freebag use rubber bands to prevent bag lock. Rubber bands will break under force where shock cord will not. Every stow is a locking stow to prevent bag strip and line dump in high-speed deployments. This system has had a zero failure rate in thousands of jumps. In addition, another manufacture has adopted its own version of a speed bag freebag and another is being tested.
The shock cord has caused baglocks on reserve freebags? When? I cant find an incedent anywhere.
Help me out, with so many manufacturers using the shock cord, has there ever been a case of a bag lock due to the shock cord? Add up all the reserve rides that will equal many thousands, I think that will prove shock cord is a fairly good design.
Saying that your design is proven becuase you have thousands of jumps on it works, but it also hurts saying the old design isnt as good, or can cause problems, (ie line dump, baglock) because there has been many thousands of jumps on the shock cord, freestow design. There has been hard openings with the freestow design, but until there has been as many jumps on your design as the freestow design, the jury is still out.
Added: I like the new racer, I think they are working hard to make a good container, the freestow/stowed bag, is something you will have to make up your own mind on, there is many arguments for both sides.
Ray
Small and fast what every girl dreams of!