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Hooknswoop 19
QuoteLet's be simple and ask this question? In the 30+ years that Jump Shack has been in business and over 30 thousand rigs that have been made, how many times has the above scenario happened? Answer zero So for a safer faster reserve system the benefits clearly outweigh a scenario that has not happened in over 30 years.
I agree that it has never happened, as far as I know. I don't agree that an exposed pop top makes for the fastest reserve system.
QuoteAnd as previously stated, when you seal a rig you are certifying that at the time you sealed the rig it met all requirements. And if you properly recorded the pull force you would have the documentation to back that up. No rigger can guarantee the integrity of a rig once it leaves their control.
It is a liability that I am not willing to accept. There is no requirement to "properly" record pull forces. I don't feel that is protection for the scenario I described. Just my opinion. As a rigger, I get to make that choice.
What I don't think is fair is to call a rigger that won't pack pop tops "not well rounded" or "lazy".
Derek
riggerrob 558
What Brit? You don't like doing the "Mirage Slide" as you chase that wedge shape across the floor with one knee on the pilot chute, all the while wishing you'd weighted it down or placed it against the wall? Oh wait...that was me.....
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Or was it me chasing the Mirage across the floor?
Seriously, to prevent slippage, I start by packing on a carpet.
Secondly, I put my right knee on the reserve pin cover.
Finally I tie the pull-up cord to my over-the-shoulder strap so I am pushing against my self.
My left knee goes on the closing plate, etc .....
Did I mention that rigging is a full body contact sport?
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Or was it me chasing the Mirage across the floor?
Seriously, to prevent slippage, I start by packing on a carpet.
Secondly, I put my right knee on the reserve pin cover.
Finally I tie the pull-up cord to my over-the-shoulder strap so I am pushing against my self.
My left knee goes on the closing plate, etc .....
Did I mention that rigging is a full body contact sport?
riggerrob 558
QuoteQuoteLet's be simple and ask this question? In the 30+ years that Jump Shack has been in business and over 30 thousand rigs that have been made, how many times has the above scenario happened? Answer zero So for a safer faster reserve system the benefits clearly outweigh a scenario that has not happened in over 30 years.
I agree that it has never happened, as far as I know. I don't agree that an exposed pop top makes for the fastest reserve system.
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Agreed.
Granted, the Racer pilotchute may be exposed, but the closing loops still have to slide past a dozen grommets and two Cypres cutters before the pilotchute can launch.
This is largely an academic argument as the incidence of reserve pilotchute hesitations on Racers - or any other popular sport rig - is ridiculously low.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>QuoteAnd as previously stated, when you seal a rig you are certifying that at the time you sealed the rig it met all requirements. And if you properly recorded the pull force you would have the documentation to back that up. No rigger can guarantee the integrity of a rig once it leaves their control.
It is a liability that I am not willing to accept. There is no requirement to "properly" record pull forces.
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CSPA requires riggers to write reserve ripcord pull force on both the packing data card and rigger's logbook every time they pack reserves.
Screw the FAA regulations as there is nothing preventing you from recording "extra" data when you repack reserves.
This fear of American lawyers drives riggers to some bizarre forms of paranoia, reference the cover story on a recent issue of NEWSWEEK magazine.
At some point riggers have to say "the rig was airworthy when it left my loft and I cannot be held responsible 121 later or after ANY tampering."
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What I don't think is fair is to call a rigger that won't pack pop tops "not well rounded" or "lazy".
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"not well rounded!"
"Lazy!"
Clint Eastwood was right when he said: "A man has got to know his limitations."
On the other hand, my rigger apprentice is whining about whether she should have to pack Racers. I flatly refuse to write her a letter of recommendation until she can close a Racer reserve on her own.
"So for a safer faster reserve system"
Nice marketing claim, but the buying public has spoken with is purchasing power. You work for jump shack
I don't think the racer or reflex is difficult to pack, in fact the reflex has got to be the easiest rig to close.
Nice marketing claim, but the buying public has spoken with is purchasing power. You work for jump shack
I don't think the racer or reflex is difficult to pack, in fact the reflex has got to be the easiest rig to close.
webracer 0
Pretty much anything that is not current or my own. I am a rigger for myself, and do a few friends (for free). Generally I'm maintaining my two or three rigs, and up to four others. I have packed a swift 5 cell in an old vector once, but that won't happen again.
Troy
I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.
I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.
Hooknswoop 19
QuoteCSPA requires riggers to write reserve ripcord pull force on both the packing data card and rigger's logbook every time they pack reserves.
Screw the FAA regulations as there is nothing preventing you from recording "extra" data when you repack reserves.
This fear of American lawyers drives riggers to some bizarre forms of paranoia, reference the cover story on a recent issue of NEWSWEEK magazine.
At some point riggers have to say "the rig was airworthy when it left my loft and I cannot be held responsible 121 later or after ANY tampering."
I'm not concerned with 121 days after I packed it and I'm not concerned with tampering. I can pack(and have packed) Reflex's and Racer's. The Reflex is easy and there are harder rigs than the Racer. I am concerned with someone accidently tightening the loop(s) too much. I don't feel recording the pull force is a defense so I don't pack them.
Quotethere is nothing preventing you from recording "extra" data when you repack reserves.
I do record extra information, and I am considering recording pull forces that cannot be changed by a well-intentioned owner.
If Jump shack can show me a way to eliminate that risk, I will pack them.
To hint that a Racer or Reflex is outside my abilities or say that I am lazy because I won't pack them is mean and unfair.
Derek
Quote"So for a safer faster reserve system"
Nice marketing claim, but the buying public has spoken with is purchasing power. You work for jump shack
Your right, the buying public has spoken and I guess that is why our sales doubled for the year by December 1st., thank you for the complement.
riggerrob 558
I won't repack reserves with acid mesh.
Yesterday a local jumper brought a closet queen into my loft. He only intends to wear it for water jumps.
We stretched it out and started inspecting the Pioneer K22 round reserve.
A drop of bromocreasal (sp?) on the pilot chute mesh stayed blue, but when applied to the steering vents quickly turned yellow!
Scary!
Our inspection concluded with me instructing him on how to wash the canopy.
Frankly, I wish all those round reserves affected by the acid mesh recall would quietly disappear.
Yesterday a local jumper brought a closet queen into my loft. He only intends to wear it for water jumps.
We stretched it out and started inspecting the Pioneer K22 round reserve.
A drop of bromocreasal (sp?) on the pilot chute mesh stayed blue, but when applied to the steering vents quickly turned yellow!
Scary!
Our inspection concluded with me instructing him on how to wash the canopy.
Frankly, I wish all those round reserves affected by the acid mesh recall would quietly disappear.
QuoteQuote"So for a safer faster reserve system"
Nice marketing claim, but the buying public has spoken with is purchasing power. You work for jump shack
Your right, the buying public has spoken and I guess that is why our sales doubled for the year by December 1st., thank you for the complement.
Dude, while I respect your right to defend something you care about, as a representitve of your company, I'd expect a lot more diplomacy, tact and proper debating.
I am purchasing a new canopy this summer and the JumpShack Firebolt was one of three "finalist" under serious consideration. If your actions are indicative of Jumpshack as a whole; however, I think my search just narrowed down to two.
-Blind
"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it."
I have no problem with Racers or Reflex's. They are a bit of a challenge, but, what's wrong with an occasional challenge? If, it is TSO'd and I feel it is airworthy, I'll pack it. I do get (a tad) nervous about parachutes over 20-yrs. old. I'll pull-test and do what it takes to be assured that the parachute, harness-container is airworthy. If it fails the tests, it is a bit difficult to tell the owner. I do, 'fore-warn' them about the possibility of 'failure'. I do feel though, a 'life-span' or 'age limit' should be placed on parachutes, harness-containers. Other countries have them, why not us. I do agree with 'riggerrob' and wish the Securities would just 'go away'!
Chuck
Chuck
BigMark 1
QuoteQuoteQuote"So for a safer faster reserve system"
Nice marketing claim, but the buying public has spoken with is purchasing power. You work for jump shack
Your right, the buying public has spoken and I guess that is why our sales doubled for the year by December 1st., thank you for the complement.
Dude, while I respect your right to defend something you care about, as a representitve of your company, I'd expect a lot more diplomacy, tact and proper debating.
I am purchasing a new canopy this summer and the JumpShack Firebolt was one of three "finalist" under serious consideration. If your actions are indicative of Jumpshack as a whole; however, I think my search just narrowed down to two.
-Blind
What did you buy?
Let's be simple and ask this question? In the 30+ years that Jump Shack has been in business and over 30 thousand rigs that have been made, how many times has the above scenario happened? Answer zero So for a safer faster reserve system the benefits clearly outweigh a scenario that has not happened in over 30 years.
And as previously stated, when you seal a rig you are certifying that at the time you sealed the rig it met all requirements. And if you properly recorded the pull force you would have the documentation to back that up. No rigger can guarantee the integrity of a rig once it leaves their control.
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