Will_Evo

lol door jitters?! Wait till you jump your first pack job! haha jp Good to be aware, keeps you from doing something stupid I would assume. -Evo Zoo Crew

I actually learned alot this last weekend from not standing up a landing(s)(Learned the hard way..I didn't mean to fall). My first 23 jumps I stood every single one up, including the AFF jumps, but this last weekend the wind was rather steady at 12-13 but was changing direction alot. I only jumped twice, but learned from each landing something I had never experienced. I think the goal for anyone on every jump should be a stand up landing on target, but at the same time, anyone who did not stand up a landing can probably pull something from the experience and learn from it as I did. One of my landings were going perfect into the wind, not exactly on target but not 20 meters away either...I noticed coming down that I was going so slow it felt like I almost didnt need to flare, well at flare altitude, I gave the same flare I would in a no wind day(Lack of experience on my part) and started going straight up with no forward movement and actually started back sliding...of course I did not stand this landing up, but I learned a valuable lesson from it. So my thing is, stand up landings should be the ultimate goal and on target BUT not standing up a landing shouldn't be mocked, should be learned from to achieve the ultimate goal in all jump conditions. -Evo Zoo Crew

Sorry I didn't explain what I meant very clearly. What I meant is that the only double malfunction that could even have the two jumpers level in the air would be ones which nothing deployed from either main or reserve. I agree with you about opening shock, just to much force. -Evo Zoo Crew

I think everyone is missing the question. He was asking about a double mal....meaning the guy already has pulled, cut away ,and pulled again. A double mal couldn't be fixed by a fly by. Once the persons main deploys and mals, the "rescuer" is either A. Still falling watching it happen on his back, or B already open at which point, he/she could try and catch up but likely by the time they thought it through the person is cut away, and once again falling away from you. It just cant happen...for a double mal at least. Youd never even be able to get level with the person. **EDIT** To add I guess the only real double mal this would be plausible would be ones in which nothing opened at all, no pilot chute for the main and no beg deployment AND no deployment at all from the reserve, in this case its plausible, with any other type of double mal that involves a canopy mal...not. lol I thought about it for a second for this edit. -Evo Zoo Crew

Yo everyone, just figured id be like everyone else and tell everyone, I GOT MY A! Woot, let the drinking commence ;) -Evo Zoo Crew

Yea bro, I am not mad about you asking ?'s, shit Im still a noob, but at the same time, it doesnt take 3 threads to ask it. Just remember to be patient and someone is sure to answer your question. -Evo Zoo Crew

Any Mods noticed that this is this guys 3rd post asking the same question? Hoax? or is this guy serious? -Evo Zoo Crew

I am not sure why you have two topics started asking the same question, but like I said in the other one, based on how you worded your question in the other topic is that if you cannot attend a ground school, then you wont be able to jump with an instructor. Your only option here is to do another tandem. Until you find time to make it to the ground school and jump in a school(Aff, static etc.) I am pretty sure your only option is a tandem. GL in whatever you decide :) -Evo Zoo Crew

I am getting my A tomorrow. Took me about 3-4 weeks jumping on the weekends. Id say the biggest setback for an "A in a week" program would be the cost upfront. If you've got the dough though...go for it :-D -Evo Zoo Crew

Im not the most experienced, but Im pretty sure your only two options here (In the US) are some form of instructional school(AFF, Static Line Etc.) or another Tandem. You cannot jump on your own without the ground school completed, therefore your only option is a tandem. -Evo Zoo Crew

Congrats, Ill be there soon! Just a few more jumps -Evo Zoo Crew

Good Morning. Actually woke up late, gotta get to the DZ! -Evo Zoo Crew

Unassisted? Ive been packing my last 5-8 jumps, but not without help and pointers. I gotta do an unassisted for my A license in the next 9 jumps haha it buggin me out!!!! -Evo Zoo Crew

Im with you nataly, I dont think I could deal with kids. The screaming and bickering, hell I cant really stand to be around one. I especially have a problem being around the kid when hes at the age where he thinks he knows everything. Granted I understand we all were that age, our parents dealt with it, etc... but I have a problem with always correcting people about things they say, even if its not important. It just annoys me. bah no kids for me -Evo Zoo Crew

Lots of good info in this thread, especially for someone like me who is currently learning how to pack for his A license. I noticed when I sat down with a rigger, that you can spot alot of mals, from points in the packing process. Its very interesting stuff. Anyone know if a detailed study has been done to isolate mals to their main source of orgin. I understand that mals can happen for multiple reasons, as well as coupled processes, but there has to be a main contributing factor to cause the mals. No? Just wondering, still very new to the sport, and am learning as much as possible. -Evo Zoo Crew

I just threw up a little. -Evo Zoo Crew

I cant stop watching it. Zoo Crew

Will read later, good debate going, Im enjoying it, but its time to go jump. bbl Zoo Crew

Maybe this point should be answered for me. You all seem to quote experts in the field that say torture produces unreliable and often no intel. So an expert in torture, isnt a hypocrite? How would he know torture doesn't work? And if he did use torture, why did it get to that point if he is an expert interrogator? There is a circle here, and I don't see a way around it. An expert in torture, is someone who has used it, more than once, and just the act of using it, makes their argument that it doesn't work completely void. Find me some real evidence, cause your "experts" opinion is as good as mine. Also, a good military leader does NOT EVER brush intel off. He may prioritize intel, and treat each piece with its appropriate response, but he does not simply refute it and move on. By the time intel reaches soldiers on the platoon level it has been verified and found to be good solid intel, intel received at a brigade level is analyzed, every piece and put in order by precedence. I do not know a SINGLE commander that would brush off intel that said we would receive an IED strike on said road, he may not send EOD out instantly, but he may respond by refreshing up training on a soldier level, so that they are more aware, and it would certainly make it to the S2 notes in the pre-mission brief. A commander, especially in the upper echelons who ignored intel, and it turned up to be true, would be fired same day. I have a question are you in the military for you to have an extensive knowledge on how the Army conducts intel operations? I am no intel analyst, but I work with them, and I know how it works, from source to brief. Zoo Crew

Back "the funny thing about my back is that it is located on my cock" -Evo Zoo Crew

1.It depends on what you mean by work. If, by works, you mean that torture provides accurate, actionable intelligence to interrogators, then no, it doesn't work. If, by works you mean that torture makes it easy to obtain false confessions, then yes, torture works quite well. It is as important for our captured soldiers to avoid making false confessions as it is for them to avoid giving out legitimate intelligence when interrogated. The Cold War had a large propaganda component, so false confessions could be quite harmful. 2.It is not naïve to listen to the wisdom of experience interrogators. They are the experts claiming torture is not an effective means of interrogation. It is naïve to believe those experienced interrogators don't know what they're talking about. 3.Yes. It is illegal; it violates international law, and it violates the Constitution. Since torture, including water boarding, is known to not be nearly as effective as traditional, humane interrogation techniques, there's no reason to even attempt to justify its use. 4.That would be a foolish attitude for a real military leader have. Having no intel is better than only having bad intel. With no intel, at least the military leader is aware that nothing is known. With bad intel, even that knowledge isn't available, so, effectively, even less is known. 1. You seem to be avoiding the obvious here. So you really and truly believe that we have SERE training in place, because we "know" torture doesn't work, but we dont want false intel or real intel given to the enemy when one of our soldiers is being tortured. Your reaching for the stars on your explanation. Resistance is just what it says, and wouldn't exist if we had no fear of intel being released. 2.&3. So I will couple response 2 and 3 into one explanation. So, if you knew waterboarding worked, you would still be against it. So then I ask you this, what does a major political and or military public figure gain if he admits to conducting torture, but that it works? He has nothing to gain, it would make more sense, on a major political level, for said person to use his power to avoid the subject, or to use tools at his disposal such as an "Expert" saying that torture doesn't work. Even though having an "Expert" commenting on such a subject is completely hypocritical its sickening. How can you have an expert analysis unless the expert has been conducting torture? A major political figure knows how to cover things up, and nothing does that better than speaking out against the exact thing your hiding. Presidents do it all the time, watch the next election. 4. No, you have that absolutely backwards. How does a military leader know what intel is bad or good? He has no choice but to treat any liable intel as good intel until its proven wrong, the lives of his soldiers depends on it. The FBI takes thousands of calls a day, but not a single one isn't recorded and cataloged. We dont take calls saying a building will be blown up, and brush it off because we dont THINK its reliable, we take it with all seriousness until proven wrong. -Evo Zoo Crew

This weekend I am going to do my last two jumps of AFF! And hopefully do a couple solos. Got my fingers crossed for the weather to hold up. -Evo Zoo Crew

Just to make sure everyone knows, I am not trying to put anyone down, I like debate, its all in good nature for me

The FACT (from many studies quoted by Marg) that torture is ineffective and has a tendency to produce "bad intel" is irrelevant to you, then? You DO realize that the techniques we use in SERE training were designed to get FALSE confessions (propaganda) from our people during the cold war, right? First SERE training is in its most basic description, Survival,Evasion, RESISTANCE, Escape. Resistance being the ability, through training to avoid releasing sensitive subjects during torture. If anything the existence of SERE training is proof that torture works. Why would we have a training program in place to employ resistance in troops if we knew torture didnt work? Why then do you believe a person whose job relies on staying out of the spotlight. You don't think you could be getting fed propaganda yourself? Why would a person in the public light publicly say torture is a good thing? They aren't stupid, they know how to keep their jobs. Its an illegal act, and sometimes, especially during recent times, its in their interest to fight against themselves(aka against torture). Speaking out to the public actually creates a huge blanket of cover for them. Hiding close to home if you will. I refuse to believe that torture does not work, honestly its naive to say it doesn't. It has been used for thousands of years, and if it didn't work, I do believe the public would have knowledge of this. Let me ask you this, if torture, specifically water boarding worked, and you knew it, would you still be against it? if it became the most cost effective means of obtaining direct intel, that could saves hundreds or thousands of lives, your still against it? Just to make it clear, I am not saying torture every single person you gain custody of, what I am saying, is if other means of interrogating produces little to no intel from an individual who knows attack plans, IED emplacement plans, and or cell leader locations and movements, then I see no reason why we cannot resort to a more extreme means of gaining the intel. I personally would rather receive wrong coordinates for an IED than none at all, at least I tried to save an American life, its to easy to check it out...not to would be idiotic. -Evo Zoo Crew

I was not saying listen to me, you are playing my words. All I am saying is I can understand why torture, especially in the Islamic extremist cultures we are currently fighting, would be used. The people are not weak, and asking them nicely for information is a joke. -Evo Zoo Crew