Will_Evo

Torture is, and has always been, one of the least effective means of obtaining intelligence. Virtually all of the "confessions" obtained by the Inquisition were purely fiction. When you use torture, "truth" becomes whatever one can say to get the torture to stop - usually whatever the torturer wants to hear. The fact that we took a page from the Inquisition rulebook - it's not really torture if you don't draw blood, right? - decreases, rather than increases, the credibility of the policy. Emilio Douhet came up with the theory of strategic bombing that supposed that it would invariably break the will of the masses. In fact, very few things have proven better at pissing people off and stiffening their resolve than is flying overhead and dropping bombs on them. Similarly, the list of negative results from torture is extensive, and the list of benefits is nearly nil. Anyone tasked with interrogation who is witless enough to rely on torture is incompetent. While I have zero sympathy for islamists, that does not translate to the idea that being mean to them is an effective policy. Cunning has it all over raw cruelty, any way you cut it. Blue skies, Winsor Again, I just don't think you, or the average American, has a very good perspective on these people. People who have never seen extremists and never seen their culture, or seen the bodies of your American brother and sisters strew about, can easily say from behind a desk in a comfy chair that "torture" is wrong. There is just no perspective, all people seem to know is what the television tells them. I guess I am one of the few and far between with some true insight into the subject. Where has torture been proven to be the "Least effective means of obtaining intelligence"? Where do you get your information, because last time I checked, there is little to no information from any country on their torturing of prisoners. How can you conduct a study on something whose information is privileged? Also, I cant grasp the concept of Americans wanting other Americans put in jail for insurgent treatment. Its simply pathetic, THESE PEOPLE KILL YOUR SISTERS, MOMS, BROTHERS, DADS out of pure spite, how can you honestly sit there and accuse an American of war crimes? Why not point the finger at the extremists and their entire religion base, because thats where the true crime lies, brain washing people from birth to believe that Americans are scum and should die because of it. Perspective is a nasty bastard when the truth is given in black and white. :) -Evo Zoo Crew

Point taken, but penis pills are a rather new idea. The idea of torture, or even interrogating has been around since the first group of humans declared war on the other. -Evo Zoo Crew

You all seem to think that waterboarding, or torture as a whole doesn't work, but would it exist if it didn't? Why do you know about torture if in society it is accepted as a useless tactic? IMO if a person dedicates his life to the death of every American because quite simply we are different, and he acts upon it, killing one of my brothers and sisters in arms, I am all for using whatever tactic necessary to bring him, and everyone he works with down, swift and hard. One American life saved for the life of a extremist works for me. I again think that Americans are going soft, got it to easy in the everyday. Go over to Iraq for a year, your opinion will change. -Evo Zoo Crew

I gotta be honest, Im sick of hearing people say that what we do to prisoners is torture...and even if so, that they should be punished. Maybe you should leave your country for a few weeks and see a Islamic extremist culture, maybe then you would see that simply asking a man in said culture is ridiculous. These people are not your average American, who is scared to cross the street in the morning, they deal with death, violence, torture from birth. They are a naturally tough people. Also, I think you may forget that alot of the people we interrogate are actual insurgents who have committed violence against American troops, you really think they deserve a comfy bed, and a nice talking to? Where does loyalty come in to play? Where does being an American, and standing behind the people who this insurgent killed come in to play? People seem to forget there is more to the story, we arent just pulling people off the streets and torturing them. In fact, open sources usually come to us, and we feed them and sit with them like everyday people, but when you have a person whos life is dedicated to the ending of your life, things get broken down on a whole different level. Maybe Americans are going soft? -Evo Zoo Crew

LMAO I was just thinking about that dog when I read the OP's message. HAHAHA -Evo Zoo Crew

lol not at all. Zoo Crew

....I wont go into detail because this type of thing infuriates me but cops can do to much. They can put their noses where they have no business. GPS tracking of ANY kind is ridiculous. "Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" -Evo Zoo Crew

Yea, Im loving Skydive Temple, fun place to be. No I havn't met them yet, but Im sure I will and Ill be sure and tell him you say hello. I did AFF 2,3,4 today. All the jumps went awesome, very smooth, stable jumps, and stood every landing, even got an accuracy on the 4th for class A Again thanks to all the skydive temple peeps, looking forward to whats next. -Evo Zoo Crew

I said 5 years, like you said I dont usually have anything greatly in common with someone 5 years age difference from me to be able to sustain a relationship. I especially couldn't date or marry someone that much older than me, I could younger, but at this point the girls would be 16 at 5 years younger than me....and thats just creepy lol. -Evo Zoo Crew

try doing this, Use your first name and the street you grew up on. usually comes out hilarious Mines Will Greenbriar Zoo Crew

Yea! That Wendy!, Oh man I didn't even notice she posted earlier in the thread! Well HEY! Thanks for all the help today. Moderator huh... -Evo Zoo Crew

Id have to disagree , a person isn't strong for being able to share their emotions...a person is strong emotionally by being able to deal with them or use them. Spilling your heart on the internet is no form of a better man, rather a man who isn't completely in control of their emotions. -Evo Zoo Crew

AFF 1 completed today, had an AWESOME jump all the way from exit to landing. Everything went very smooth, and felt like second nature. I dont know if they are on here, but a big thanks to wendy and everyone else out at skydive temple. Awesome people, great atmosphere, and I do believe I owe them a case of beer. Tomm is AFF 2 and hopefully 3. -Evo Zoo Crew

Loved it. -Evo Zoo Crew

lol yea, I am willing to bet there's a TON of people at Temple who are from Hood. Anyway, AFF 1 is tomm, ill let ya know how it goes. -Evo Zoo Crew

Oh man yea that is no way of getting re-introduced to the sport, but at least you were able to keep a sound mind and deal with it cool and calm. Congrats on making it back from Iraq also, I just got back 4 weeks ago from Falcon. -Evo Zoo Crew

oh man, I didnt even see the attachment on your first post, Nice car! Congrats! Zoo Crew

wait wait, your kids are moving out and you buy a used car?! Shouldnt you be grabbing that vette youve always wanted to celebrate haha. -Evo Zoo Crew

Not I Havnt been to work in 25 days. Still getting paid though haha -Evo Zoo Crew

Sounds awesome! Ive always wanted to be part of a "Sensible" reality tv show, because in the end, you leave with an exciting free experience. Good luck, heres hoping you come out the big winner. -Evo Zoo Crew

Yea I am doing AFF at Skydive Temple in Texas, would've loved to do it at Z hills but I don't live in FL anymore, just am here on leave. I am going to try and do two levels every weekend till AFF is finished(May 30th), thats the plan, of course anything could happen. I'll be sure and post back and let ya know how it goes. Thanks for the warm welcome. Can't stop thinking about the 9th, it cant come soon enough. haha. Cya -Evo Zoo Crew

Green Street Hooligans Lucky Number Slevin Oceans 11 Donnie Brasko Reservoir Dogs Independence Day Just a few -Evo Zoo Crew

Hey all, Names Will(Duh) and I am new to skydiving(2 tandems and first AFF on May 9th), just was browsing the internet for useful and informative articles on skydiving and came across the site. I jumped Tandem in Texas about a year and a half ago, and a couple days ago at Z Hills in FL. I am 21 from Tampa, FL and in the Army which moved me to Hood Texas. Im just looking for some people to talk to about the sport and learn as much as I can. There is nothing like skydiving and it has my heart. haha. Well thats me, cya in the sky. -Evo Zoo Crew