VectorBoy

Well that simplifies things. They are all the best in their category.

That is like asking which is the best swoop canopy: for distance, for accuracy, for speed? You can look at the best sequential and rotations teams and their choice in a canopy is a small fraction of the equation that makes these teams special. Lots and lots of practice & experience might be a bigger contributor to them being best. I know thats not what you want to hear so here comes some hints. The best rotations team at a world level were on triathalon 99s, I believe, and rumor has it that they are on storm 107s now. The best competitive sequential teams ( smaller canopys) have used lightings, triathalons, expresses, storms recently a canopy based on a highly customized icarus FX. Demonstration teams who dabble in a a little free fall RW and canopy displays ( larger canopys) for large crowds use larger F-111 lightnings, as in the leap frogs, and larger Triathalons as in the British and Canadian display teams.

Any larger formation stuff will be done on lighnings for the most part. Triathalons are popular all over the world for CRw Dedicated Crw doggies who like to have several crw canopies and have money for some newish stuff have invested in the smaller storms. After the world record some of the guys that tried the storms were really excited about them. Last years nationals featured a team on Storms. Sounds like this year there will be a few others to join using storms for competition. So it really depends what kind of CF you will do.

Its not the first for sure no claim in the article that it was. I've personally seen home made suits that were not as good as a factory classic. The wingsuit in the display made by a canopy manufacturer doesn't really count as home made IMO. I'm sure the inspiration to copy the Tony comes from DSE's stable of them, they fly well, inflate nicely. The Tony suit is very simple in design, almost un- elegant in simplicity but pure function. If I was going to copy a suit, or a portion of a suit to replace a portion that wasn't functional on another suit, the Tony style is what I'd try and replicate.

I thought it was a pretty positive article all around. Educational and inspiring to those of us who might have to one day repair or resize a suit without professional help. Its not always cost effective for the factory to do this. I was really expecting a warmer response for the article from the wingsuit forum.

I think what Macca is trying to say, is that all the records etc can tend to create this enviroment where everything needs to always be bigger and better and more than the previous thing. And thereby maybe actually accomplishing the opposite of what everyone is trying to do(not linked to this post btw).... I figured it was something along these lines. While part of me wants to tell'em to man up and get over this, the sensitive pony lovin side of me will now refer to the upcoming Elsinore "thing" as a casual like minded "gathering" that might be fun. I won't use the R word. As a group we could also refrain from trying to make future events more interesting or complicated or dare we say more challenging. keep things the same just with more beer and ponies.

Because we as skydivers are surrounded by some of our more competitive brothers and sisters who like to compete and have records as goals. Easy enough not to participate if we don't want but impossible to avoid the notifications and promotions of these events. Some people put in a lot of time into creating dive pools, as an example FLB's graphics for the wingsuit artistic comp. Others spend a lot of time and money to attend these events, as an example the 71 way. You were a part of both. As skydivers with thousands of jumps, lets face it, we have been bombarded with this kind of stuff in every discipline. Its everywhere. So why does an obscure mention of a wingsuit state attempt merrit a post of that nature? Is it the record part or the wingsuit part or the fact that the two words are combined? I'm just curious that way.

Why? Why? Dunno. Why did both Germany and Australia recently wish to build CRW records of their own when the world record is 100? Why does someone or some group want to build a new hampshire state ( or particular dropezone) RW record when the world record is 400. Why does anybody want a record for jumpers strictly over the age of 40,50,60? Obviously the lable record appeals to someone. I can think of one reason a group might hold a state record. To increase participation at the next boogie in the next state for that record by the usual suspects. Why do you care?

Likewise, why does this offend? Even in the slightest? Its more than typical for skydivers to see what they can pull together regionally by state, nation or the world , be it RW or CRW. Why not wingsuit? Its not even the bulk topic in the post. So why the rub?

Spray cons: you have to thin the paint with water to get it through the pump ( bad) then the tedious clean up. Sometimes clean up takes longer than the job itself. You can roll anything and then freeze the roller overnight until you are done with the job then toss just the roller at jobs completion. For high stuff get a long boom handle. I've done two storie exteriors like this. 5 gallon bucket and a screen than hangs on the side of the bucket and never left the ground. No thinning and no clean up.

we benefit greatly from their work with the FAA and other agencies to allow us to keep jumping. AOPA and EAA do more work with the FAA ( that we jumpers benefit from) than does the USPA.

Do CRW with it. In no time you will have all kinds of small perferations in it.

Question for some of the people using B-line mods to stay down with a rotations team for video purposes. Do you prefer the mod on the inner or outer B lines? If you have them, what type of canopy and WL?

Nice to see you here fishook.

If only that 2-for-1 thing would happen when you go to buy a wingsuit...

Maybe this should be about "premature deployments," but really by getting people to think about this whole topic, maybe we can avoid death, destruction, or crw being banned from a dz because somebody freaked out a pilot by bouncing a p/c off the horizontal. top You are of course right, if the hand is free and away from the container there will be no premature deployments until clear of the aircraft. That solves that problem.

Than that should be the focus to start the thread. The ridiculous part is suggesting that the hand isn't flying! Regardless of position of one hand the whole body is flying. I could fly a stable exit with both hands on the BOC.

Nice one Jade!

Then again I've never seen an issue caused by those who do it regularly. I've watched it happen out of Twin Otters and Casas plenty of times without a hitch, so it never really bugged me... just seemed different. Chris Exactly the way I feel about it. Stability is provided by the whole body not just the one arm that is not equally in the slip stream. I've honestly never given it a second thought until this discussion.

You guys keep this up and you know that Yuri is going to join the tread, do you want this?

I'll put it back to you, what is gained by having your hand on your boc when you are leaving the aircraft? Especially when it is the risk to you, the plane, those you are exiting with, and the rest of the jumpers left in the aircraft. top I never pull until I'm clear of the plane. Typically my slot is a later dock and I'm taking a descent delay. Most of the time I take a hands free poised exit as you recommend. I do however exit with my hands on hackey/ pud when Im jumping unfamiliar gear if its tactily different than my own. It is silly but I have experienced late or hard pulls on borrowed containers. We might swap gear to accomodate the various people we fly with that don't have their own. I borrowed gear at nationals for one event I didn't initially intend on entering that was different. Last weekend I jumped my loaned out canopy in a borrowed container ( we're incestous with CRW gear down here) and its fit was very different. Pull out, throw out, BOC pull out. With me its just a mental thing for unfamiliar gear.

How is leaving with your hand on or near the BOC counter productive as long as the body is stable and the PC isn't pulled until the proper delay?

That is also the case here near some busy arrival routes.

Didn't know that.

who does CReW anyways ?? CreW is soooo 70's.... Exactly my point. Wingsuit flight profiles don't fly any longer or farther than a Crw flight profile. Flight patterns and methods of separation are very similar. Like you say they have been conducted since the 70's. Is this new airspace regulation threatening wingsuits? To answer your very first question just a bunch of assholes.