VectorBoy

So let me get this straight, your regional director personally flew a wingsuit into canopy lines while visiting the west coast?

Is this a genuine child like curiousity about sport jumpers safely sharing airspace with tandems or phishing for proof that the wingsuit community is out of control and not good at self policing?

Alrighty guys the CRW lads have already posted their point of view video from several nice Fly-bys that happened at Jump town. Question is where is the wingsuit perspective video? Post it! Purty purty please.

Asley, I don't need a wingsuit to plow unresponsively through your canopy or deploy up from beneath you. Anybody on your load with wrong ideas about exit separation or poor tracking skills can do that. In fact on an average flock you would be on the ground before the wingsuit group returns to the pattern area. Once more since we tend to fly docile mains there is less of a chance of us performing a poor attempt at a high performance turn into you while you were on approach. We are not angels but there are much higher threats to your safety on a dropzone. You may like to do a little easy research. Most of the wingsuit instruction manuals are on PDF on the manufacturers websites along with other valuable educational materials thoughtfully prepared, it free. They may answer some questions you never knew you had or inspire you to try wingsuiting when your time is right if you have the desire.

Re-stated what the student was told in his FJC? That fatality was not a student. Most things presented about the jump are speculation to include hackey coming off before deployment or after impact.

I'm aware of at least two additional instances where wingsuiters forgot their legstraps and exited. My submission is that the lace-up wings are what prevented these jumps from becoming a fatality. Personally having known and flown with one of those guys and speaking with him after the event. No. He was experienced. During the instance of deployment, realizing he wasn't in his leg straps he reached up and grabbed his risers. Toggles still stowed he maneuvered to the large pond for a no flare landing.

The incidents cannot be disputed. Lets try. Since no one is landing a wingsuit all of the issues with landing off injuries are canopy related. You don't need a wingsuit or CRW formation to land off. It can happen to anybody even with a huge dropzone. If the aircraft has an emergency and the pilot tells everybody to get out off, its happened to me. Off can happen to anybody be prepared! Canopy choice should reflect this preparation. Bone breaking collisions in VFR/IFR: are we talking students or experienced wingsuiters? Are we talking events in countries that don't have any special regs in regards to clouds? In fact exactly what event(s) are you addressing in respect to bone breaking? Water landing: Water is just an off landing with further complications. If you jump near water again it can happen regardless of discipline. Get training or Don't jump! Students in 50 knot winds, really? Seems we already have regs that cover that not just wingsuiters but for everybody. Was it outside the FAA/USPA area of oversight IE: another country? One instructor telling another instructor not to conduct a first flight course due to experience or other safety issues, on video even. ( very bad indeed) Why not take it up with the S&TA in charge? Wingsuiters with low experience ending up dead for gear failure or any other reasons. I'll just have to give you these: We already have recommendations regarding these. But why not take the issue up with the S&TA, who will be the enforcement regardless if we are talking regs or BSRs or recommendations or a question of judgement? The USPA is not everywhere but typically someone like an S&TA is available for individual matters exactly such as this.

I think its borderline dangerous to even suggest that a better flying instructor can make a first flight less dangerous to an applicant. I think its a full blown insult to try and sell this misleading concept to the governing body. I don't think it would be fair to make GM dropzones enforce this if by some chance it ever actually became a regulation when they have much more valid and pressing safety concerns to deal with now. The fact of the matter is that every first flight, regardless of experience, should leave the aircraft with no delusions based on instructor capabilities but instead the full knowledge that the outcome of their first flight is based on their prior experience and their preparation in gaining the knowledge and ground training for this new endeavor. Much more emphasis should be placed on the fact of short cutting the current recommendations may be lethal. Following that logic I don't believe there is a need to do away with the ability of some one with enough experience to self instruct as is currently permitted.

I actually know someone with several thousand jumps,a thousand of which wingsuit jumps with only an A license and no interest in changing license. If an event requires a higher rating he meets with the organizers and usually gets a variance.

if there ever was a wingsuit/aircraft collision I can tell you that the regulation we would face afterwords, is disgusting. Blues Its already happened, in clear air, as most collisions do. As wingsuiters we look down in front of where we are going. If we are flying for max flight our heads are tucked down straight below our eyes not where we are going. A winged videot is probably looking for that magazine cover shot. The aircraft skipper is looking straight ahead with an occasional 270 on level sweep part of the time, panel part of the time. A pilot will never look up a barrel of 2-1. 3-1 glideslope . If the aircraft has a bubble canopy they might see a high puller of a CRW canopy. Wingsuits will look like grains of dust on the plexi until its too late unless its a big way. See and avoid!

What is the difference between 1/10 and 10? 1/10 will get you five years with good behavior.

always happy to entertain Friends with attitudes like this we can make it to 300! That would make Danny's post meaningless and I'm all for that. I don't believe he skydives anymore anyway.

Plus I love to see glen get all riled up and rant You just wanted the 200th post sniper admit it.

I knew it! Now you are glad this didn't end back when you pleaded with Jesus. Jesus doesn't listen to me either bub. When it comes to who wrote what first or best when it comes to first flights get over yourselves, all of you. It all sounds all the same because its not that complicated and you can't say the same thing so drastically different that it would sound original. Its not rocket science its not even as complicated as bicycle maintainance. When it comes to pointing your fingers at the other instructor camps about taking up low timers everybody is guilty, seems everybody has done it knowingly, unknowingly, on purpose or by accident. And what is worse the pointing of the fingers. Seems like everybody has been to the food fight at the Donner party. Picking on the instructors for doing whacky things is nothing new even if its disguised as a proposal to benefit everyones Safety. Voodoo and myself were doing that way back years ago just for pleasure. Now we find out that some of defining questions we had were not not being answered the way we would like because we were discussing / debating with a guy in the ICU, well duh, ICU he is probably very nicely sedated. Thats like trying to get some answers to the universe while hanging out with Chuck Blue at 3 oclock in the morning at a major boogie. And that is not a personal attack as I will always cherish those times but it never brought me closer to being rested for the first load.

What?!? there is 12, er, uh, 11 slots left until this thread reaches 200 posts. Come on who is with me.......

I suggest the experience issue is dealt with far more easily and effectively by requiring a "C" license before you may jump a wingsuit. Fawking brilliant yet elegant in its simplicity !!! Why didn't I think of that. Guess it proves I'm no professor. Well done indeed. Let me know if anyone threatens you physically over this cuz they're gonna have to get through me first.

Woah... are you ok? What happened? Did nurse Ratchet give the intruder an enema? Now that last sentence is clearly token gibberish.

Actually, it was the Republican Party. You mean the Socialist Repubic Party. The government will protect us from our selves mentality.

Wanna jump at night= yes

No answer regardless of how intelligent or unintelligent it may be, will not satisfy you. Fatalities and bad instruction tend to bother me; you don't give a shit.We differ in philosophy. Do you really think that statement is fair Spot? Do you think some of us who do not agree with your philosophy ( because it is not a direct action to correct an easily indentifiable root cause) are not bothered by bad practices in instruction and wingsuit fatalities? If it was an easy fix to an easy problem we would be all over it. BUT, I actually see this doing more harm than good. I see it pushing people more towards the plan C method of self instruction. Correct me if I read the proposal wrong but will it not do away with someone of sufficient experience, 500+ jumps per the previous recommendations, from self instructing? Do I understand this part correctly?

Reliable sources actually told me it was an interesting mixture of urine, earwax, terpentine and fecal mater. But maybe thats a bit too specific. In a verbal arguement, poopoo might be quicker and more to the point.. That is what happens when you power buff your butt.

That looks like a downward augering spiral not an unrecoverable flat spin.

Australians, IMO, are overall better skydivers than most of those you'll meet of equal experience in the USA. Well I guess they must know what we don't know then ( I recon). But SuperGirl would tell you this> but please don't generalize so easily to "almost everybody" or we'll just have another silly discussion similar to that "you europeans" vs "you americans" thread from a few days ago. On a similar note I would love to state that I love Belgium! Shout out to all be hommies back in Temploux, yeah!

Not me! Save me a seat on Scott's side while I pop some corn. To recap: A need is seen to regulate wingsuits. (Unknown.) A proposal is created. (Flock U, Tonysuits.) The proposal is criticized. (Almost everybody.) Well to be more accurate. 1 A rumor of oncoming regulation was heard. This was followed by an unheard proposal by parties unknown to this discussion. 2 The panel's proposal brought to this discussion isn't Tonysuits and some of the people on the panel are BMIs and PFIs and I don't think they are all Flock-U Is. They don't all agree on everything but they all agree that the first proposal by some unknown group was junk. 3 This proposal isn't some part of a brand war or linked to any manufacturer. In fact our panel would love to keep it non-denominational. 4 This proposal is a very well intentioned idea that is a group overreaction to a rumor. Although Douglas has expressed this was a need and his actions are not reactionary to a rumor and make no mistakes I'm sure there are some very seasoned BMI's not on the panel who give this concept as much support as Douglas gives it passion and drive. 5 There are no facts as to why a change is needed. No sure promiss to fix anything that isn't broken now. The whole thing is based on feelings.

Most but not all.