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hmmm.. I wonder if they really need to see emails from a couple thousand altitude-challenged skydivers... Maybe check with the USPA, see what they have to say. If we should just let them speak for us, or if we too should voice our thoughts to the FAA, congressmen, etc. Those folks have enough on their plate right now, let's make sure we don't unduely cause them more work. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

This was added this morning: --- Airspace Update As of Tuesday, September 18, there is no change to the restrictions on aviation, including skydiving flights. USPA continues to be in contact with the senior levels of the FAA and with the White House, ensuring that officials are aware of how jump planes operate, and why they are a low threat to national security. USPA is also working closely with the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. There is another meeting at the White House today to try to resolve the issue. ------ You can keep an eye on our very own http://www.uspa.org or http://www.aopa.org Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Ann, I was thinking the same thing. Actually, just this morning I sent an email to a couple friends asking if they wanted to get together at the DZ this weekend... have a cookout or something. I don't know how bad this is affecting some of the TMs/JMs/vidiots/etc out there money wise, but they're at the very least a little bummed out. Having a couple friends show up to shoot the shit, cookout, have a few beers, tell stories, whatever... might help a little. If nothing else, just to say "Hey, we don't just use you for instruction, videoing our awesome skydives, packing for us... you're a friend too" I know I'd be a little more than bummed if I missed out on a good week or two of near perfect weather. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Hope HH doesn't mind, 'cause this is sorta an advertisement, but not really.... err... anyway - found this the other day http://www.imagecrazy.com they're selling shirts and all the profits are going to the Red Cross. So, get a cool skydive shirt and help out. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Ha! Anyone want to crack open a history book and count the number of times this hasn't worked? Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

I'll get over not being able to jump. I'm worried about many of my friends that make their living as instructors/vidiots/etc Here's what the USP has to say about (yes, they're actually doing something. I might renew my membership after all) ----------------- Airspace Update Despite the FAA's indication last Friday that the restriction on Part 91 VFR operations would be lifted over the weekend, that did not happen. The most recent Notam continues to ban all Part 91 VFR operations until further notice. Some DZs accomplished a few jumps on IFR flight plans, but were soon shut down by a directive from FAA's Command Center. Skydiving is not the only segment affected, of course. Hundreds of thousands of pilots and aircraft owners are also grounded, with hundreds, if not thousands of general aviation pilots still stranded away from their home airports and unable to fly. Banner towers, balloon businesses, flight schools, ultralight schools, aerial photographers, and others are down. Agricultural operators (spray planes) were released on Saturday, but restricted again by Sunday. It is apparent that our segment of aviation is bearing the brunt of this national emergency. Top federal officials have been quoted expressing concern with the "uncontrolled nature" of general aviation, which before last Tuesday allowed pilots virtually unlimited flight without a flight plan and without radio communication with air traffic control. USPA is working with AOPA and several other aviation organizations to address this concern in a way that will allow our operators to return to the skies. USPA staff spoke this morning with Steve Brown, FAA's Associate Administrator for Air Traffic, who will be meeting with the National Security Council again today on the aviation situation. Brown, who had received a briefing paper about skydive operations last week from USPA, thanked us for the talking points that he said he would use in the upcoming meeting. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Click on "Previous Poll Results" and whoever's name is now a link, that's who's baby it is Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

See my post above: The horse is dead, stop beating it. He's had his fun with us, now we've had our fun with him - I think it's safe to drop it now. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

quade, You made a couple good points, but I want you to see how I look at this. Jumping is important to me. I don't want what these cowards did to change my life or my plans, that's what they'd like to have happen. It's my own little personal act of defiance. If I could go to NYC and dig through the rubble with my bare hands, I would. Skydivers, probably better than most people, refuse to let fear dictate anything they do. I think if it's possible for your life to continue as normal, then it should. Of course, I also think all sporting events etc should go on this weekend. Yes, those who lost their lives and their families and loved ones will be in everyone's thoughts. As far as giving blood and donating money, I have and plan to. If we don't get to jump this weekend, I don't think anyone is really going to be upset, we all realize there's more important things happening in the world - but it sure would be nice to get away from all the bad news for a day or two. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

snippet from aopa.org again: ---- AOPA is continuing to push on all fronts to get general aviation back in the air. But let me manage your expectations. When the security threats lessen, first will come the approval for Part 91 IFR flying. Then, no sooner than 48 hours later, should come the restoration of VFR privileges. ---- Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Maybe Phree stopped hearing the whinnies in between the thumps... Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

stick around awhile. You've had just as many people stand up for you as you've had get mad at you. Some people just forget that there's people from all over the world on this board, and terms are taken different ways in different parts of the world. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Guys, I really think it'd be best to just drop it. He's either had his laughs, or he has problems. Either way, I think the horse is dead. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

From aopa.org (notice the time) ------------ Special message from AOPA President Phil Boyer 9/13/01 3:37:20 PM, ET — ALL IFR AND VFR GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. Never did I think I would see an notam that read like this. As the ultimate optimist, and one who has spoken today with the both the secretary of Transportation and the FAA administrator, I can only continue to hope their promise of reopening the NAS for general aviation is real. Yes, we are in the early recovery phases of a crisis that occurred in our country, but the line of communication within the FAA itself, and other government agencies, has produced an aviation crisis in its own right. Throughout the morning, the news media touted an FAA official notam that indicated airspace would be open to all aviation users at 1500Z. AOPA verified this, downloaded a copy from DUATS, and placed it on our Web site. Within minutes, I received a call from a high-level FAA manager indicating the subject of GA was still under review. Reluctantly, and with great disappointment, we changed our Web posting to indicate caution. However, pilots obtaining a legal briefing got the notam, filed flight plans, and, in some cases, even departed at 1500Z. Unknowingly, they violated the 1457Z notam prohibiting all GA flights. The horror stories now are unfolding. Corporate chiefs who had been told by flight crews they could depart at 11 a.m. taxied out and then were turned around by the tower. Some flights did get into the air, but don't count them lucky. F-16s intercepted not only corporate aircraft and demanded they land immediately, but in Texas, a student and flight instructor returned to home base after a similar intercept. When we first became aware of the possibility this could happen, our senior vice president of Government and Technical Affairs, Andy Cebula, made contact with the head of FAA Flight Standards and obtained his pledge that no one caught in this mixed-up notam mess would be subject to an enforcement action. "Chaos" is the best way to describe the FAA environment that your association is working in. Flight service stations are offering varied information to pilots, sometimes contradicting what FAA headquarters has issued. Segment by segment, it appears that users will be returned use of the airspace system. Next could be Part 135, better known as charter flights to you and I. We expect word in late afternoon, and our primary concern is the return of basic VFR privileges. When I was informed that some of the delay in a decision was being caused by one or two politicians, I asked your AOPA Legislative Affairs staff to contact their offices and "educate" them on G.A. That is happening as I write. When a truck loaded with explosives blew up the federal office building in Oklahoma City, we didn't ban cars, but there was sure a lot of scrutiny about trucks parked in other locations. Why ban the aviation equivalent of cars, general aviation aircraft flown for business and personal use. I have another call into Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, and your AOPA staff continues to remain totally focused on getting us all back into the air. This is sure one of those days (weeks) that I wish that I could swap jobs with one of you. To make matters worse, the weather is severe clear — a perfect day to fly; however, for the moment that freedom has been taken away. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Despite a notam issued at 4:29 a.m. this morning opening the airspace to all traffic at 11 a.m., FAA issued a new notam at 10:57 a.m. keeping the airspace closed to GA: Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

I don't think they should be according to this: 9/13/01 2:01:24 PM — Secretary of Transportation Norm Mineta has reopened U.S. airspace to commercial airline and cargo traffic, but said the airspace still remains closed to general aviation. Mineta says a decision on GA will be made later today. Mineta, on his way to a White House meeting, called AOPA President Phil Boyer earlier and pledged that he would work for a way to get general aviation flying as soon as possible consistent with national security. Boyer also had a personal telephone call with FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, who also assured him that she was working for the resumption of all flying. Despite a notam issued at 4:29 a.m. this morning opening the airspace to all traffic at 11 a.m., FAA issued a new notam at 10:57 a.m. keeping the airspace closed to GA: ---------------------- !FDC 1/9832 ZZZ THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM UPDATE EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 13, 2001 AT 1500 UTC. ALL IFR AND VFR GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. FOR ALL OTHER OPERATIONS, NORMAL OPERATIONS ARE RESUMED WITHIN THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM. AIRPORT AND AIRCRAFT WILL BE OPERATING UNDER INCREASED SECURITY REQUIREMENTS. SPECIFIC AIRPORTS MAY NOT HAVE RESUMED OPERATIONS BY THIS TIME FRAME. OPERATORS ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THEIR SECURITY REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND THAT THE DESTINATION AIRPORT IS OPERATIONAL. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Give 'em a break. They're not sure how to get started again. I doubt they're picking on GA. Part of it could be they want to be able to keep track of everything going on, and any planes leaving/entering the country for a few days. There's a number of reasons they might be keeping GA grounded. Give them awhile to deal with bigger, more important matters. Then we can get back to having fun. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

What a complete friggin dolt.. Yes, you smart smart man, they did this to get back at Bush. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Michele - they don't caution you from that because most people don't skydive. You should wait. You're missing a lot of red blood cells, you won't have as much O2 getting through you. I think 2 days is a good number. My roommate (who incidently, works at a hospital, not a doctor (doesn't play one on tv either)) and he won't give blood unless he's not planning on jumping for a week. Course, he smokes too so that affects your efrfective altitude. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

For some reason I'm not buying this. I've only seen a few "assholes" around this board, most are good people. I really doubt that anyone sent you nasty emails. If anyone did send an email to Biguns (Or even Spectre) let us know. I seriously doubt anyone did. And how exactly did someone find your cell phone number? Haven't you had enough fun with this board and your stories of granduer? Cut it out or move on. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

Hang on... let me get out the sarcasm meter and see if this registers.... woah... off the scale... Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

I don't remember ever seeing anyone in the US dancing in the streets over killing people in the Gulf War. I *do* remember a number of people protesting in the streets that we shouldn't even be there. And we sure as hell wouldn't be jumping for joy over the death of thousands of innocent people. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

People - Not everyone in the world understands the slag and derogatory remarks used in this country. Remeber, we have people from all walks of life, and from all points on the globe reading and posting here. Don't jump to conclusions. Skyhawk - your apology is appreciated. In this part of the world, "The 'N' Word" is not acceptable language. As someone else asked, yes, sometimes some people use this word referring to each other - it might not make sense to you, but someone of another race using that term is not usually acceptable and is considered extremely derrogatory. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

wheew... talk about bad timing... I'm sitting here and the whole house rumbles... I go outside and a bunch of neighbors are outside and I see a jet streaking across the sky.... sonic boom... someone's in a hurry.. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'

She asked of you read the rest of the thread Brandon. She didn't realize what was going on with her original post. Hell, when someone came into my office and told me a plane crashed into the WTC, I sorta laughed, wondering how that happened, assuming it was a Cessna or something silly like that. She explains this later on. Stop jumping at chances to promote a personal vendetta. Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!'