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Oh yes. Actually before an english distillery excize inspector working in ireland invented the continuous distilling thingamebob which allowed pure grain spirit to be quickly and cheaply distilled, (leading to the rise of blended whiskeys) Ireland used to be the World standard for Pure Malt whiskey. Irish distillers refused to compromise their old methods but the scottish took it on board straight away. The scots ended up selling so much blended whiskey that the market for irish malt dried up. The big scottish distilleries soon ended up selling both blended and malt whiskey in greater quantities than the irish. Another thing the english did for the emerald isle Do you want to have an ideagasm?

I was just pointing out that you were dismissing the opinions of one bunch of evil bastards while calling attention to another bunch of evil bastards. I will certainly agree with you that North Korea is possibly the most dangerous country on the planet at the moment but i don't think that either candidate would have any success in changing the regime, if indeed they thought it was wise to even try. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

My dad let me use his squash rackets! OK you win. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Well in that case you shouldn't care who North Korea supports either. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Well, what with all the voter polls that must be flying around right now I was wondering why you chose to display this one. Without any kind of explanation it seems like a waste of time. I'm confused thats all. Help me out here. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Damn, I thought that mouth was like a Rolling Stones trademark or something. Sure looks the same. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Um, I don't see what your point is. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Don't insult their intelligence. Iraq is not the first time that US or European soldiers have been put in war zones that pose no threat to US or European interests. I couldn't even count how many other countries western troops are deployed in right now. Anyone currently in Iraq or Afghanistan KNEW when they signed up that this not only could happen but most likely would happen, they just didn't know what country. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

How does him not liking Bush cancel out your racism? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

well, technically buggering is one specific hole. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Green beer? GREEN beer? Fool, st Patricks day calls for BLACK beer. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

True. A lot of it was given to him by Tony Blair. It was given to Blair by the british intelligence services. The british intelligence services plagiarised a large portion from a PhD thesis they found on the internet. So hey, Bush is off the hook right? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

well you know what they say, it ain't just the cream that floats to the top. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

look, i didnt say that christians are bad people, it was not a generalistic statement it was focused at a very small but vocal section of society. i just said that these day's, people who try to follow the exact words of the bible, both testaments, are generally considered to be very scary people. Right to life people who bomb abortion clinics for religious reasons, that sort of stuff, it was in no way directed at you or any other people who posted on this thread. Oh and just to pick hairs, Atheistic cult members? isn't that an oxymoron. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

That is my point. Why would you not vote for someone who shares all your political ideals and is willing to stand up for them and in your own words has an internal understanding of what is right and wrong just because he doesn't believe in your god. You have just said that it does not make him any more or less likely to do the right thing than a regular church goer. And then more generally, if the inate sense of morality is given to you by god then why would you need the bible, the church and the ministers and your religions standard of morality to tell you what 'god' has already put inside you? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

I like the way the website of a german company owned by british aerospace has the stars and stripes draped all over it, who are they trying to kid? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Tink1717, to be fair to the guy I honestly don't think that anyone has a personal ready made set of morals from the word go. However i think that the moral values we end up with are given to us by society as a whole. The thing is that the predominant religion in most societies, including ours has absolutely sweet fuck all to do with what society considers acceptable. Look at christian europe through the last two millenia and see the changes in what was acceptable in the way individuals, governments, churches and armies acted and compare it to what is acceptable nowadays. Absolutely no comparison, also no comparison between our set of morals and the biblical set of morals. People who do follow the bible to the letter are generally considered scary homophobic woman hating right wing cult members. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

yes, you did say that there was no SET relation between belief and morality. You may believe that religious people are in general more moral than non religious but you DID admit that religious belief does not neccesarily mean a person has good morals. Aside from that, I find this statement personally offensive, lets take it apart piece by piece shall we? Who told you to be good, was it god himself or one of his ministers? I'm going to bet that it's the latter. in that case who told him to be good, was it God Himself? in that case why does this minister have a direct line to god that you do not, seems stupid. If god did not talk to this minister then basically you are doing what another HUMAN has told you is right, same as the rest of us. OK, so what if it was god himself that told you to be good, or instilled in you an inate sense of 'goodness'. do you have to believe in god to have that inate sense of goodness, that would be kind of strange now wouldn't it? Therefore a president would not have to be a believer to know what is right or wrong because 'God' already told him without his knowing it. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

No No No. The reason for the settlement of america was because it was there and it had a good climate and abundant natural resources. The reason for the founding of the nation state was to get away from taxation without representation as someone pointed out earlier. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

the truth is exactly what they don't want you to see. If you are scared of them then you wont ask too many difficult questions. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Founded by religious people yes. it's only natural that they would mention god in their documents in that day and age. However they seem to have made every effort to emphasise that religion should have no bearing on the rule of law. Its also pretty obvious that the laws of the US are not based on Christian law (With the exception of stuff like murder, theft and rape but hey, thats a bit of a no brainer anyway) Do you want to have an ideagasm?

So if you agree that there is no set relation between religious belief and the ability to do the right thing then why would you not vote for an atheist/ non believer. It just seems petty to me. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

So would you vote for a politician that shared all your political views and was willing to stand and fight for them but didn't believe in God? Do you think I'm arrogant for not believing in god or is it just a gov't thing? Do you think its impossible for some one to have good morals and a sense of what is and is not right but not believe in god? Edit: How do you think belief in or respect for god would reflect itself in gov't policy? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Yes I would consider it a safety net. However if you can get that feeling of security without signing up to organised religious BS then I suppose thats a good thing. I'll never tell anyone not to believe something but I will tell people if I think what they believe is stupid. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

No i'm not talking about political correctness. I'm saying that if any spiritual institution had control of a country, no matter how permissive the institution started sooner or later it would be a crime to worship anything other than what they tell you or do anything other than what they tell you. Wars have been fought and people oppressed in the name of every religion in history, even buddhism. Do you want to have an ideagasm?