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Sorry been away for a few days Ok, so what was my point in this thread.... It is simple this. I am a smoker. My parents are both over weight. One day while outside at work haveing a cigarett, an older heavy (fat) woman looked at me and said "smoking will kill you, you know!!! and I shouldn't have to pay for your medical expenses" I thought to myself.... yeah no shit and being fat is just as likely to kill you!!! Of course being the pussy I am, I just smiled and didn't say a word. Right now in Washington, there are people lobbying to Ban smoking, obecity, and every other activity which is deemed harmful to oneself or the public at large. But nothing is EVER mentioned about gays and unprotected sex. Now, you can argue with me all day long about hetero vs. Homo, but the fact is, there are more gay men infected with HIV and other STDs as a total percentage than any other group of people in the USA. People don't want to pay for my NEW LUNGS when I need them. People don't want to pay for my Moms Gastric Bypass when she needs it. And I don't want to pay for a persons AIDs meds when they need them because they chose to fuck without a rubber.... In many cases with people know to be infected! There isa large Gay lobby in the USA.... Infact they covered up statistics on the % of gay men infected with HIV for years. They don't want the public to know the truth about the severity of the problem, but when push comes to shove, they will want the public to pay for it.... Risky behavior is risky behavior.... My smoking does no one any good, and I know that. I am adicted, and I am working to break that adiction. It is tough, but it is an addiction. ANAL SEX without a condom with an infected individual is not an addiction, it is a choice... and a very poor one. One that not only the individual will have to pay for, but possibly many others who are infected by them. And, society as a whole, financially... Thoughts comments? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

hardly an excuse... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-listd0226,0,7904712.story?coll=ny-liminute-headlines This is the part that kills me: All three New York men who had the illness diagnosed recently, officials said, are HIV positive and have had multiple male sexual partners. And they are obviously not wearing condoms!!!! That is great. I am not a real religious person, but I am a believer in Karma.... It is just good to see these morons are wiping themselves off the face of the Earth. If you have HIV or AIDs Why the Fuck would you run around with multiple partners and not protect yourself??? I have no sympathy. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

You can read up on why the Kyoto Treaty is a wonderful Idea for the US. We have people in this country that bitch and moan because jobs go over seas.... What happens when our agriculture all heads over seas too? Some how I am sure someone in here will blame it on Bush though... http://www.heartland.org/archives/studies/gwag-ps.htm ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

SNL did a skit in the news the other night saying something to the Effect of this... "I am going to be a witness in the Robert Blake trial because he never murdered me... I mean, he can't be a murderer because he never tried to murder me" ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

If Dean is the person the Dems are puting in place to run the Party, then the Dems are even worse off than I thought. So much for the talk that the Dems were trying to get back to center! THis guys is so far left of center he makes Al Fraken look like... Wait what am I say? Ok Fraken is further left, but still!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It's quite obvious you live in a different reality then the rest of the world You don't like the US???? You think other countries are better when it comes to human rights and civil liberties... move there then.... I won't shed a tear ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Why not just send them an insulting PM like you just did to me.........oh wait that might require thinking An insulting Message is perfectly Legal on the Dropzone board... They call the Private Messages for a Reason!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Is that my argument genius? I for one do NOT believe that the United States' blatantly disregards human rights and civil liberties... Maybe you do, but that is why you are in Canada and I am here !!! The USA is the becon of freedom in this world, and if you don't think so, I can't help you!!! Your spinning is making me nauseous, can you please stop. It is people like yourself who have no point, and instead try to bend comments and facts to have some meaning which support your fanatism that really make me hate stupid people!!! Do you have nothing better to do than attempt to hijack this thread... To put words in peoples mouths, because of pent up anger you have.... Just repeat after me... "It's not your fault!" "It's not your fault!" "It's not your fault!" "It's not your fault!" "It's not your fault!" Yes, this will get me banned, but it is worth it.... Relax man. Take a deep breath Count to 10!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I think it is quite Ironic.... That is why I started the thread. Pot meet the Kettle... Kettle, this is Pot!!! I find the criticism that the US gets a bit strange. Then again, the law in France is also Guilty until proven innocent!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

See a guy says he was wrong and you act the way you do....I'd like to hear what you say, but your actions speak so loud I can't here you. And still you act like a three year old. Ron, I would give it up... This guy is what he is. He won't change, and he will only make his situation worse. Screw these people.... The sad thing for him is he doesn't even realize how he is acting, and how that is detrimental to his argument and his life. His loss, not ours. Society has a way of handling these types of people :-) Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

OK, look at the source... Noam Chomsky. One of the worlds greatest supporters of communism!!!! A person who would love to see the the US fail, and capitalism fail where ever it exists... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, do you think we pissed off nations in our persuit of OBL? I don't think so, and if anything our relationship with key countries like Pakastan have become greater. I think you are confusing regime change in Iraq with our persuit of OBL. I think England, Fance, Germany, Russia, Pakastan and Saudi Arabia are all being helpful in the persuit of him.... am I wrong? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Why do you say that? It took 30yrs to get the Jackel... why won't we get OBL? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Here is an article from the Washinton post on this.... I just googled it. I assume the washinton post has their facts straight on the French law as I have seen it written in many places: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17082-2004Nov1.html ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

That is Somewhat true.... If you don't like the rules, no one forces you to post here... Do they? I can say The french are Wimps, But I can't say Frenchy (the user) is a wimp.... If you don't like the rules in the forum, find a different one. Complaining doesn't do too much!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I find it strange that there has been so much criticism of the USA from Europe over our detainies in GITMO. Reading some articles I have found out that in FRANCE, suspected terrorist can be held for 3 years on French soil without being charged. This very much sounds like what the USA is doing it GITMO, however, GITMO is technically not part of the USA. Now, I live in the USA, listen to Euronews and the BBC, but I had heard nothing reguarding this until a recent incident. 4 prisoners from GITMO were released by the USA to France.... Once in France, the French government arrested them and is now holding them without charging them. So, why isn't there a large protest against France for this? Why only the US? Is it me or am I just not reading and listening to the right sources? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Ironic isn't it..... Practice what you preach and don't surround youself with the people you despise ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I think everyone should realize Michael Crichton's books are fiction.... If they don't..well, there is no helping them. I am not a conspiracy theorist... And, as far as GW reasearch goes, it is biased. Like it or not. You can say it is my opinion, but, I work in the field, and I work with these people both National and international. There is plenty of research which debunks many of the theories put forth on GW, but they get little attention by media driven left. Hollywood loves to exploit radical theories on GW as well. This helps to dumb down and brain wash the public... DO you know how many people are convinced the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" could happen in the relative short term? I had an arguement with my sister on this one... She ain't the brightest person I know, but she was calling me stupid for say for saying this movie was a load of shit.... Even if something like this movie were to happen it wouldn't occur over 3 weeks The evironmentalists own the media.... A good example is Hydrogen cars.... They pollute as much if not more than a gasoline based car. How? because the current process used to create or extract H2 from H2O (as an example) is done by power plants buring oil and coal!!! Ironic... But the general public is blind to these facts. Just as they are to a good deal of research debunking GW theories. Bill, it would be nice if the oil companies put forth their research, but people like you would just call them capitalistic pigs looking to make a buck, and would also not believe any of the research. You would say it wasn't a credible source yada yada yada. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Well, there is some good news in.... Looks like Drilling will begin in Alaska soon !!!! BTW - For all those fossile fuel environmentists out there, what impact did the Iraqi oil fields burning after the 91 Gulf war have? I would like to see some research on the tonnage of greenhouse gasses put out by that incident!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

No, that is not what I said... No one is blocking anything, however, you know how the system works. Group A wants to do research on a subject matter, who pays for it???? Usually you and me ( The Federal Government either Directly or indirectly) Now, that money doesn't come from no where, it is advocated for and pushed by lobiest in DC most of whom have a political adgenda. It is not that there is bais against people who are doing research, it is just that there is no one willing to pay for research which may disprove a theory which is beneficial to a political person or group. Yes... I do. It is unscientific to approach a problem if you know what you WANT the outcome to be. If I want the root cause of GW to be fosile fuel consumption, then I can figure out away through deductive reasoning and isolated experimentation to make that be the reason. Yes I am research active, and for one of the most presigious institutions in the Nation. (MIT) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It says in your profile that you are an atmospheric physicist. Presumably you do not dismiss other peoples research unless you have good reason to, but your tone implies that you consider this work to be laughable. So as a professional physicist, what is it about this research that you do not agree with and what evidence do you have to suggest that their conclusions are wrong? Citations would be appreciated. Nope, I do not dismiss research blindly, however, I look at everything done in the research field with a skeptical eye… Why? Because when you see day in and day out the amount of politics involved in a lot of this kind of research, one thing you will notice is that there is a lot which is left out. Just like statistics, any research findings can conclude what you want them to. The "Funniest" part of all the long term modeling and climate analysis is that the accuracy ratings are below 5%. Who buys this shit? Christ, the eta, gfs, mm5 models are some of the most powerful forecasting models in the world and their success rate beyond 72 hours is 40%. Beyond 120hrs 10%. There are BILLIONS of dollars spent annually on atmospheric research which is inherently biased. The conclusion is put forth first and the cause is looked for second. I for one believe in "GW" to a degree (no pun intended), however, one must realize a few things first. 1) We are still coming out of the last ice age… naturally we'd be warming up! 2) Global trends and Solar Max cycle studies are just now being investigated as having major impacts on Earth Weather. This is something that no one would touch 20 years ago. 3) Ice core samples have a pre-drawn conclusion…. That is that O2, CO2 and N contents of the atmosphere are enough to deduce the average weather at the poles and therefore the entire earth. This is obviously not true as many researchers are beginning to say. Let's pretend, however, that they were. Why was the warmest period in recent history during the dark ages? What was the cause? The research community certainly doesn't know, but they are trying to make some hypothesis….. The study of long term trends is small… There really aren't enough data to evaluate the "Whole Picture" 4) Take ice core sample out of the picture due to their flaws and now we are trying to compute global temperature readings using satellites where 20 years ago we used ground sensors (and very few of them) The entire system is flawed and inaccurate, but it is the best we have…. Until the science improves, the data are meaningless… we ought to just store our data away and not speculate until we know what we are talking about. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

HAHAHAHAHAHA.... LOL.... You guys are funny!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I meant him.... the dumbest one of the Kennedy's for sure, and yet some how the only one who's life hasn't ended tragically.... Almost did in Martha's vinyard, but some how death missed him and struck the girl!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It would appear that white trash doesn't only come from Eastern Europe. Ever watch Jerry springer???? I am pretty sure I have seen some White trash around here too ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

THe difference though is this. Do to newton's theory, we can in most cases predict the outcome of an event. The Theory is mathmatically provable with restrictions. Evelution, however, does not allow anyone with any certainty to predict the outcome of a situation. If we confine a species in a specific environment, what will future generations evolve to? We have no idea if they will evolve at all. See evolution is not provable in any situation in the future or in any specific instance. We only can theorize that it occured in the past, and we can only see it happen in the present, but there is no reason or logic to use it as an example of future outcomes. That is the destict difference between Mathmatical theory and evolutionary theory. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty