storm1977

The PEACE PIPE i see everyone using at the DZ. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

what happens when I go to the DMV (A government agency) and none of them speak english???? It is already happening!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

OK, I get the sig though. It's quite amusing, but you'd be surprised at how many fundies use it as either a sig, or as a bumper sticker. I read Neitche for a while. Bit dry and not enough pictures, but there you go. While I agree that the subject is difficult to understand, I don't agree that we will never understand it. There's work being done right now on the new variant of superstring theory, called M theory, mainly led by a really bright guy called Ed Whitten, that's getting tantalisingly close to the much sought after general unified theory. It's really deep in calculus and higher math though, so it's not as if your average Joe is going to want to put the time in to understand it. it's easier to go with the pat explanations. Suffice it to say, that if Whitten is even partly right, it would redefine everything we know, or thought we did up to this point. BTW just read a great book on string theory by Paul Davies... Great read!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It's a theory with masses of supporting evidence. It is in fact the only reasonable working theory when viewed objectively so for now it's as close to fact as we can get scientifically. It's a theory the way Newton's law gravitation is a theory, it explains at some level how we've observed how things work. Moreover we actually understand the mechanisms of evolution in far more detail than Newton ever understood gravity for example. You don't disprove the theory of universal gravitation by quoting the bible, you improve it by coming up with a model that better fits the evidence, like Einstein't theory of general relativity. If God created the Earth in 7 days then he put a lot of effort into creating evidence of evolution in the rocks an creatures he made (just as examples). Again, I am not aiming to "disprove evelution" or have creationism taught.... I for one believe in evelution, however, it is a theory and should be described as such. Do you not agree with that? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Guess what, with this train of thought you will be forced to communicate with those that dont speak english because they will eventually over run us. hear hear!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I doubt it. I lived there for a while. Be careful what you wish for. As an atheist, let me tell you now that this issue has got nothing to do with non believers forcing an agenda on anyone, and everything to do with Christians foisting their beliefs on the school curriculum. I personally don't mind if creationism is taught, as long as it's done so in the context of religious education. I object when that viewpoint is presented as valid science. No one is asking that creation be taught.... We are asking that evelution be called a theory... THAT IS IT!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Because I imagine that from your sig, that you have a religious bias towards Creationism. Evolution is a theory in the same way that other accepted sciences are theories. Heliocentricism is a theory, and one the church used to burn people for expounding. It's not absolutely empirically provable, but I don't see too many people still claiming that the earth does not revolve around the sun, although I can point you to religious websites that do say exactly that. Just because all the answers are not in place for evolution does not reduce it to the same level as blind superstition. If people want to promote creationism, it has it's own text book, namely the bible. It doesn't require others. Well, your first mistake would be to make assumptions about my beliefs.... This sig IMO is just funny!!!!!! If you don't get it, I will explain.... No bias, I am agnostic, and have been for 12yrs. I was born and raised Catholic, and even confirmed catholic. Will be married in a Catholic church next month, because my fiance' is catholic. However, I was never able to come to terms with my parents religion... THere were too many questions that needed to be answered IMO. So, I don't necesarily believe in "GOD", but also believe that I, as a simple human do not posess the ability or knowledge necesary to understand the universe, its creation, or its potencial destruction!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Is Creationism a theory, or a fact? It too is a theory, however, you are not allowed to mention that in schools. But, eveloution being a theory should not be disguised as fact when it isn't. I think the wording on the stickers should simply have been in the text of the book instead of an add it. Maybe next year the schools will buy better books!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I don't get it..... Eveloution is a theory, why should or would it posed as a fact? I for one agree with the stickers, and personally would not have chosen a school text book that states the theory is fact. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

yes and no..... I watched a segment on CNN the other day about how a ban on illegal driver licenses should be enacted. (I happen to agree). THere was a translator on for a woman ~40yrs old. she has lived in the USA for 20 years, and doesn't speak a word of English.... but somehow, CA gave her a license to drivea car even though she cant read the street signs!!!! The woman was crying and through her translator said she would loose her job etc... if they took her driving privledges away yada yada yada.... And then I thought.... 20 yrs she has been here and she still needs a translator!!!! I am sorry, but that is unacceptable. What if I moved to Japan, Germany, france, brazil et al. And I chose not to learn the language????? Absolutely Unfathomable IMO!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

They made sure it was talked about in the media before and after it took effect. They did hand out tickets at that time for it. Now just about everyone has their lights on whenever they turn on their wipers. You will be surprised, it does help with visibility in bad weather; even during the day. CT has had this law for years,, and it is enforced... $50 fine. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

agreed.... how arrogant would it be if I decided to move to France, and lived there for 20 yrs and refused to learn the language? It is happening with spanish speakers alll over this country... Move here fine.... but you need to adapt and learn the language. I would make it manditory for a person to have a working knowledge of english before they could obtain their citizenship... If I were in charge that is. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Why do you think Russia wants to get control of their oil companies? China is on a buying spree with regards to resources. They need oil, they need it fast and they need lots of it. Russia would not be happy with one of their most profitable industries being owned by China. I have said it before and I will say it again, we better all start learning how to speak Mandarin....... I know, I am saying russia wants to sell to china... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

No,, I didn't mispeak. First example is the US solier who was on vidio killing an unamed wounded man. (IMO he had to do that) that had been going on a good deal due to the tachtics of the enemy. 2 marines on with Dennis Miller last month talking about a new stratigy used in Falluga where marines dressed in civilian clothing and make up are/were being used to infiltrate, gather intel, and kill enemy fighters with the city. These were not 2 monday morning quarterbacks. These 2 guys spent a year in Afganistan and almost a year in Iraq. THey were on the show have only been back for 2 weeks. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Russia brings potentially a shitload of oil to the table for a rapidly developing country like China, who, by the way, in the not too distant future will be guzzling a whole hell of a lot more than the US does right now. It may be in Russias interest to ally itself with china. One way to make that happen is to start drilling the mass quantities of oil reserves they have, and sell it cheap to china.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

My post doesn't even mention the USA. Not explicitly or implicitly. What the fuck are you guys smoking? Funny, and my post doesn't even mention your name!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

right.... but the question is Why should the US have planted weapons? I don't think they should. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Really? Where do you get that idea from? Give me some examples from recent history where that tactic has worked? How about I kick off with an example that contradicts your statement: Northern Ireland. Ask any soldier that fought in Falluga last month .... Boobytrapping bodies, waving white flags and abushing US personel when they got close .... wearing civilian clothes.... the list goes on my friend. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I do not agree at all. Two totally different regimes, heading in totally different directions. You are right they are different regimes going in different directions, but there is enough commonality between the two to necessitate(sp?) them being allies. Hey, Stalin and the US weren't exactly best friends during WWII, but we needed eachother. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

well said..... This is common practice in anti-american talk these days, and something I mentioned earlier. Never discuss the good, except when spinning on how we didn't do enough, and blow the bad even further out of proportion!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I brought it up in another thread and someone here already answered it. There isn't a huge conspiracy behind everything like some folks would like to believe. Some people would like to believe that the US government is behind everything bad in the world, and that the Government can do what ever it wants when it wants. It just isn't true. The simplist explanation is usually the real explanation. Let me ask you this.... Why should the US government have planted WMD's in Iraq? To say... I told you so. Then every conspiracy theorist in the world would have said they didn't anyway.... even if we found real wmd's there. Damned if you do damned if you don't. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Who cares about? Umm ... I would guess a lot of people. However, I think you missed the point. The person I replied to made a comment regarding the US planting WMD... When the fact is the US came out and said we are giving up our search. Some would say that it was noble thing to do .... admit that their intel was bad. It is funny, many here accused the Government and this administration of refusing to acknowledge mistakes, or faulty evidence/intel. Then when the Government does do that they get nothing but criticism from the folks.... Some what hypocritical if you ask me!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

sorry bill, didn't see that as an attack... I will try to word things differently. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It has to be tough to go through life paranoid as you are. Don't you think if the US was as EVIL as you think they are, they would in fact have planted WMD and discovered it already, when the pressure was on for them to find something? It is pretty typical of some people around here that hate the US to never accept good things, and spin them as bad. And also to point out the truely bad things as even worse and more encompassing than they really are. Are you one of the same people that swore the US government already had OBL capture but was waiting until right before the election to announce it? Guess what.... No one really landed on the MOON. Oh, and the Tsunami was created by the US with Nukes to destroy islamo-facists... Oh, and since you live in Botswana, you must know that your country has one of the highest rates of HIV/AIDS in the world.... Go ahead, blame that on the US government too. It was our way to reguate your populations!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I don't exactly agree with that statement ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty