brenthutch

Toung was planted firmly in cheak

I hate him, I cant believe he got away with calling Van Jones a commie?!?! He should be taken off of the air and sent to a reeducation camp, allong with everyone from fox the wall street journal, cnn and anyone to the right of air america.

Rest easy Brother. You have been and will continue to be deeply missed. Blues, Hutch

Thank you

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Well done.

Are you kidding me the reason we went into Iraq is because of big oil and the kickbacks to GWB. Haliburton! Haliburton! Blood for oil!

I agreee with your point that golbal warmers are just as stupid as GWB.

That is great! As long as customers of those plants dont have to have the costs passed on to them.

>So, Waxman's cap and trade will have benefits for whom? Companies who have efficient, low carbon emission power plants. And who will it hurt?

That was my original point

The PA's suggest you have no actual rebuttal. Tell us again how our POWER PLANT emissions will end up in China or India as a result of cap'n'trade. Ok it goes somthing like this: I am an evil corperation, I am going to open a steel mill, I can open it in the US and use cap and trade rate power or I can open my plant in china and use dirty cheap power. I chose the latter. So now, all of the electricy that I would have used and all of the co2 that would have produced un the US will now be produced by China. Bust me on my spelling

"Tell us again how our SUV exhaust is going to finish up in China as a result of capntrade. " You are killing me!! Are you for real? SUV's? ROTFLMAO!! Quit the bong hits, put down the Ben and Jerrys (owned by evil coperations by the way), take a shower, change your tiedie, put on some fresh pachouli oil, scrape the Kerry/Edwars bumber skicker off of your suberu and go to your local comunity college and take a macro econominics class.

You should try reading an economics book. History tells us what happend, economics tells us why: Corperations are just moving to where they can make the most profit for their share holders. If they can make more money in Asia because of labor/tax/regulatory cost in the US they will, and if they can make more money by poluting massivly in Asia rather than a little in the US they will. It is what they do.

And yes I should read a dictionary

Ooooow Corperate greed? What are you a cartoon? Come on dude, read a book.

We have moved labor intensive manufacturing JOBS overseas, we still have some manufacturing base still here in the states. If we loose that to cap'n'trade,, god help us all.

I agree that there will be winners and loosers, but the net effect on CO2 will be nonexistant at best. See my original post and look at what India told Clinton last week. And the other comparisons you mention have little to nothing in common with CO2. (the developing world was not using CFCs and reducing them did not have a negitive impact on there development) We can cut to zero and the rest of the world will pick up the slack with interest. I dont like burning coal, not for co2 but for other environmental impacts. Take a look at east central PA if you want to see what I mean. But that said we must look at the other agendas at play. If we wanted to reduce world wide co2 we would close every third world coal fired plant and move that production to the us where we could produce the same product with less impact on the worlds co2 levels.

Sorry, I got sidetracked. Lets stick to the inital point.

That is why cap and trade is not an environmental solution, it is a transfer of wealth. The economics of it are so self evident, that it is staggering that it has not been exposed more widely.

Dupont made a lot of money, selling us the new stuff.

Without China and India signing on, the cap and trade bill would not only do nothing to help lower co2, it would make matters much worse. (if you believe in agw) It would push heavy manufacturing (and jobs) overseas to countries that are much less efficient at producing a given amounts of goods for a given amount of carbon. You see the correct way to look at a nations carbon output is not co2 per capita, like the UN would like you to believe, but rather co2 per unit produced. Driving the US out of the carbon market would result in a corresponding increase in the world supply. The increased supply would drive DOWN prices making carbon an even more attractive alternative for the developing work. This would greatly INCREASE co2 production.

When a democratic presedent (Johnson) had a democratic congress they passed medicare and got creamed in the off year election.

Without China and India signing on, the waxman bill would not only do nothing. It would make matters much worse. (if you believe in agw) It would push heavy manufacturing (and jobs) overseas to countries that are much less effecient at producing a given amounts of goods for a given amount of carbon. You see the correct way to look at a nations carbon output is not co2 per capita, like the UN would like you to believe, but rather co2 per unit produced. (spell check knot working)