Peej 0 #1 November 11, 2003 Hey guys, I've just started jumping my own gear, a Mirage G3 with a Hornet 170 in it. I've done about ten jumps in total on my canopy (it has a couple hundred on it - i bought it second hand). I've been taught to pro-pack and nine out of ten jumps have been my pack jobs. My question is how long do your hornets take to open on a standard pro-pack? I swear mine is taking like 700 to 800 feet. i'm slowly starting to get used to it but it freaked me out a little the first time - guess i was just used to student gear that tends to slam open. Any tips on making a hornet open a little faster -without slamming? many thanks PJ Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #2 November 11, 2003 Opening speed is very subjective. One persons "Positive" is another's "Slammer" and the same goes for "soft" and "Snivel" Lets chat this weekend and see what we can do to speed it up a tad. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrenspooner 0 #3 November 11, 2003 Hi, I've done 20 jumps on my Hornet 150. Varied opening, but generally hard and fast. I posted on here about slowing it down and got some good ideas. I roll the whole nose and stuff it in towards the back. The manual says to do this but not roll it at all. What are you doing? I spoke to another Hornet flyer on the weekend and his was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. I can make mine open a lot faster by simply hanging the nose without folding or rolling, and squaring the slider or having the slider sticking out the front quite a bit. Failing that, I'll swap ya. ***Die with yer boots onQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #4 November 11, 2003 When I first got mine it was opening hard and fast. I now psycho-pack it, really roll the nose, quarter the slider carefully, and now get nice openings. If yours is taking too long to open, I'd say maybe don't roll the nose much. I think a slow opening Hornet is kind of unusual though.....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #5 November 11, 2003 From the time you throw out your PC to being in the saddle is 700-800'? Or is it from the time you check altitude? If the latter, it's probably 500-600' openings. 700-800 is not unreasonable, many canopies take that long. I have about 150-200 jumps on various Hornets from a 190 to a 120 - all opened in 500-700', softly. If you want to speed it up, pull the nose out in front of the slider. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Peej 0 #6 November 11, 2003 Howsit!! T, i look forward to your advice on SaturdayDarren, Forgive me if this is confusing but i don't quite have all my canopy/packing terminology down yet I've been pushing the nose right in without rolling it and facing my slider and grommets out to catch wind. after i get it on the ground i put my knees on the spot where the lines go in, squash the air out of the canopy and while keeping my knees on it i pick the whole canopy up (so it's against my chest) and roll it down towards the ground. then i put the "s" fold in it and stick it in the bag. I don't know if this makes much difference to opening speed but it's the way i've been taught to pack. I find that it opens lank slowly, i often have to give my back risers a good few tugs to open the end cells properly. On more than one occasion i've broken off at 4500, tracked till i've heard my 3000 dytter go, waved and pulled and been under a fully inflated canopy during my 2000ft alarm. A girlfriend of mine packed it after my last jump on Monday and she hung the nose - warning me that it might slam. Thanks for the advice. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jsaxton 0 #7 November 11, 2003 They do open soft Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #8 November 11, 2003 I fly a HOR 150 and yes it too opens like you mentioned ..about 700ft... But I personally think thats a good thing... not too fast a yet not too slow!!! jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #9 November 12, 2003 I have about 1`30 jumps on my Hornet 150 and I I don't pack it just right it will CRACK open, I roll the nose slighly, and pull the slider all the way to the fron and open it up, the I bring the tail around and put about 6-7 rolls in the tail. Nowe it opens nicelyIt has on one occassion opened so fast it scared the shit outa meYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #10 November 12, 2003 Quotehis was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. No shit... It was opening fast... so he put a hole in the slider... and now it snivels.... Wow. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #11 November 12, 2003 that's what I thought, but since I know shit, I figured that in this instance physics did not applyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fudd 0 #12 November 12, 2003 I've got 150 jump on my Hornet 170. It opens in about 500-800 feet. If I fold the nose towards the center and pulling the quartered slider out in front a bit, and roll the tail a bit tight it opens in 800. If I leave the front hanging, push the quartered slider back a bit and just roll the tail lightly, it opens in 300-400 and can give me a little slammer. Sound like you got sweet opening. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites darrenspooner 0 #13 November 12, 2003 Sorry, I'm a muppet. You're right, it was the other way round. Physics were right after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #14 November 12, 2003 I stopped rolling the nose on my 210 and it opens a little more briskly now. Prior to that it was taking 700-900 feet, now its down to 500-600 feet. If you already don't roll the nose, maybe it's the tail roll?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bmcd308 0 #15 November 12, 2003 >>I spoke to another Hornet flyer on the weekend and his was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. << Note to newbies - DO NOT cut a hole in your slider to slow down your openings. Trust me on this. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #16 November 13, 2003 Thanks for checking! My students read this forum, and I'd hate to have to argue with those who think a hole in their slider will slow their openings down! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Peej 0 #17 November 13, 2003 Shoot! I had my Leatherman out and ready... Just kidding, thanks for the advice guys, will take it into account and chat to my CI this weekend and then try a few things. T, see you then PJ Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Laurel 0 #18 November 13, 2003 My man, bigphil, jumps a 150. He rolls the entire nose together pretty tight (not to where the As cross but are close) and then rolls the tail to secure the canopy. Basically, he packs his canopy the same way I pack (well - he really packs) my Sabre. From what I understand, the Hornet and Sabre are very much alike. So far, our pack jobs have been fantastic except for once when his Hornet opened so fast that the risers cut the shiznit out of his neck. If it wasn't for his helmet, he probably would have lost his left ear. ..................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fudd 0 #19 November 14, 2003 I would say the Hornet is nothing like a Sabre. I would NOT trade mine for a Sabre There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Laurel 0 #20 November 14, 2003 Yeah - I really don't know since I've never jumped one - but that is just what I've heard...................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #21 November 14, 2003 Quote>>I spoke to another Hornet flyer on the weekend and his was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. << Note to newbies - DO NOT cut a hole in your slider to slow down your openings. Trust me on this. hahahaha lmao! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites softnotes 0 #22 November 15, 2003 My Hornet opened anythig BUT slowly. I always felt it was a bit on the brisk side. With regards to putting a hole in the slider. I fail to see how that will slow the opening. If anything the slider will come down quicker and thus allow the canopy to inflate faster.. ergo faster/harder opening???Blue Skies SoftNotes "That's not flying.... that's falling with style!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
steve1 5 #4 November 11, 2003 When I first got mine it was opening hard and fast. I now psycho-pack it, really roll the nose, quarter the slider carefully, and now get nice openings. If yours is taking too long to open, I'd say maybe don't roll the nose much. I think a slow opening Hornet is kind of unusual though.....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #5 November 11, 2003 From the time you throw out your PC to being in the saddle is 700-800'? Or is it from the time you check altitude? If the latter, it's probably 500-600' openings. 700-800 is not unreasonable, many canopies take that long. I have about 150-200 jumps on various Hornets from a 190 to a 120 - all opened in 500-700', softly. If you want to speed it up, pull the nose out in front of the slider. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #6 November 11, 2003 Howsit!! T, i look forward to your advice on SaturdayDarren, Forgive me if this is confusing but i don't quite have all my canopy/packing terminology down yet I've been pushing the nose right in without rolling it and facing my slider and grommets out to catch wind. after i get it on the ground i put my knees on the spot where the lines go in, squash the air out of the canopy and while keeping my knees on it i pick the whole canopy up (so it's against my chest) and roll it down towards the ground. then i put the "s" fold in it and stick it in the bag. I don't know if this makes much difference to opening speed but it's the way i've been taught to pack. I find that it opens lank slowly, i often have to give my back risers a good few tugs to open the end cells properly. On more than one occasion i've broken off at 4500, tracked till i've heard my 3000 dytter go, waved and pulled and been under a fully inflated canopy during my 2000ft alarm. A girlfriend of mine packed it after my last jump on Monday and she hung the nose - warning me that it might slam. Thanks for the advice. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #7 November 11, 2003 They do open soft Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #8 November 11, 2003 I fly a HOR 150 and yes it too opens like you mentioned ..about 700ft... But I personally think thats a good thing... not too fast a yet not too slow!!! jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #9 November 12, 2003 I have about 1`30 jumps on my Hornet 150 and I I don't pack it just right it will CRACK open, I roll the nose slighly, and pull the slider all the way to the fron and open it up, the I bring the tail around and put about 6-7 rolls in the tail. Nowe it opens nicelyIt has on one occassion opened so fast it scared the shit outa meYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #10 November 12, 2003 Quotehis was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. No shit... It was opening fast... so he put a hole in the slider... and now it snivels.... Wow. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #11 November 12, 2003 that's what I thought, but since I know shit, I figured that in this instance physics did not applyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #12 November 12, 2003 I've got 150 jump on my Hornet 170. It opens in about 500-800 feet. If I fold the nose towards the center and pulling the quartered slider out in front a bit, and roll the tail a bit tight it opens in 800. If I leave the front hanging, push the quartered slider back a bit and just roll the tail lightly, it opens in 300-400 and can give me a little slammer. Sound like you got sweet opening. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrenspooner 0 #13 November 12, 2003 Sorry, I'm a muppet. You're right, it was the other way round. Physics were right after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #14 November 12, 2003 I stopped rolling the nose on my 210 and it opens a little more briskly now. Prior to that it was taking 700-900 feet, now its down to 500-600 feet. If you already don't roll the nose, maybe it's the tail roll?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #15 November 12, 2003 >>I spoke to another Hornet flyer on the weekend and his was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. << Note to newbies - DO NOT cut a hole in your slider to slow down your openings. Trust me on this. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #16 November 13, 2003 Thanks for checking! My students read this forum, and I'd hate to have to argue with those who think a hole in their slider will slow their openings down! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #17 November 13, 2003 Shoot! I had my Leatherman out and ready... Just kidding, thanks for the advice guys, will take it into account and chat to my CI this weekend and then try a few things. T, see you then PJ Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #18 November 13, 2003 My man, bigphil, jumps a 150. He rolls the entire nose together pretty tight (not to where the As cross but are close) and then rolls the tail to secure the canopy. Basically, he packs his canopy the same way I pack (well - he really packs) my Sabre. From what I understand, the Hornet and Sabre are very much alike. So far, our pack jobs have been fantastic except for once when his Hornet opened so fast that the risers cut the shiznit out of his neck. If it wasn't for his helmet, he probably would have lost his left ear. ..................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #19 November 14, 2003 I would say the Hornet is nothing like a Sabre. I would NOT trade mine for a Sabre There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #20 November 14, 2003 Yeah - I really don't know since I've never jumped one - but that is just what I've heard...................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #21 November 14, 2003 Quote>>I spoke to another Hornet flyer on the weekend and his was opening fast, so he had a hole put in the slider. Its now a sniveller. << Note to newbies - DO NOT cut a hole in your slider to slow down your openings. Trust me on this. hahahaha lmao! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
softnotes 0 #22 November 15, 2003 My Hornet opened anythig BUT slowly. I always felt it was a bit on the brisk side. With regards to putting a hole in the slider. I fail to see how that will slow the opening. If anything the slider will come down quicker and thus allow the canopy to inflate faster.. ergo faster/harder opening???Blue Skies SoftNotes "That's not flying.... that's falling with style!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
