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mccordia 73
Quoteone thing I would like to see when doing bigways in wingsuit in generel is more diciplin
I think this is more the problem, then the overal skill level..
It doesnt matter that much what someones history is RW, FF, or just wingsuits...as long as people fly diciplined. Fly their slot, and most of all...recognise which dive they should or should not be on yet.
If theres some RW of freefly guys doing challenging 20 ways, people with less experience, or not so superb skills, would not get on that jump, out of fear of fucking up. They would practice more smaller jumps, untill they did have the skill level.
In wingsuiting, especialy at boogies. Its quite common for everyone from 20 to 1000 wingsuit jumps, to all be on the same bigways dives.
Someone being a good friend is quite often more important then the skills he or she has.
And Im not saying people should not be allowed to be on jumps.
But we should try and work more towards getting those people up to speed (skill and dicipline wise) on smaller jumps, before we start going for big, bigger, biggest..
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mccordia 73
QuoteBased on my experience I find that wingsuit big formations are just RW bigway formations
Try and get 15 way RW-dive to fly 'no-grips' and you get excactly the same level and horizontal distance issues you get in wingsuit dives..
Some of the people in Spain came up to us, bragging how they flew a 12 way (RW) no-grips. Saying it was hard..."Welcome to our world" was our answer
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birdynamnam 28
I don't want WS formations to become as strict as the RW discipline (can sometimes be) but at the same time I do see the benefits of being selective.
I guess for me I do not see a partial WS formation as a "failure" like the RW people sometimes do, we still flew, we still learnt something and still had fun
You can give the less experienced flyers slots on the outside and rear of the formation where it is less of an issue if they don't make it in. BUT at the same time if they zoom around the formation causing a hazard then give them a warning and worst case put them back on small ways.
I think we will see "selection" starting to take place whether we like it or not but I hope it remains rare. Granted we could certainly do with more discipline Just as long as we don't stop smiling...
J
mccordia 73
QuoteI guess for me I do not see a partial WS formation as a "failure" like the RW people sometimes do, we still flew, we still learnt something and still had fun Smile
I know..but sometimes the "smiles and fun" cross over into dangerous.
And thats where it wouldnt hurt..
The dicipline is getting too big to keep adding more and more people to dives and expect it to stay safe...
We dont have to take all the fun out of it...but a bit more dicipline.
And at times working to show people whats possible...its great...
And thats what our TopGun group is all about....
Not about egos, but a fun group of people, who love to fly and have fun, while trying to fly good, complete formations (and some other cool stuff we have planned)
Real happy to see this discussion..its stuff we as a team spent quite a while talking about before we went on this training camp.
Its great to see more people are thinking this way, wanting to develop this part of the dicipline more..
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birdynamnam 28
Quote
And thats what our TopGun group is all about....
wouups, sorry for the highjack.. I am just looking forward to Cochstedt here
mccordia 73
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And thats what our TopGun group is all about....
wouups, sorry for the highjack.. I am just looking forward to Cochstedt here
Its not even about a thread highjack...as this stuff is the excact reason why this group formed...and its stuff we should be talking about more..
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beautifull formations guys
flying the same suits surely helps keep adjustments to a minimum
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Bowie 0
Quoteflying the same suits surely helps keep adjustments to a minimum
I think Having a base that all can follow and that can fly stable the whole jump is no. 1 thing to focus on. Thereafter it is up to the individual to adjust the suit to just be there. if you need to struggle to keep up with the pace the base is going to fast forward or is too floaty so the heavier flyers is falling out...
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skreamer 1
QuoteMost wingsuit flyers I've seen these days have no idea what relative work is, and it would be a great improvement to their flocking knowledge if they studied the dynamics of how large RW formations are built, and flown aswell.
Good point Ed, I think this applies equally to freeflyers too. In-air skills mean nothing if you don't have the discipline and awareness to fly your slot responsibly.
mccordia 73
Quoteflying the same suits surely helps keep adjustments to a minimum
Its still diferent body types, weight, skills and style of flying you have to take into account..
We determined pretty early in the week that two of our teammembers werent that good at flying base
Its true skill (a skill Bowie has mastered to perfection..he rocks!)
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birdynamnam 28
This truly is a discipline where bigway experience and tight freefly skills help. My second-ever wingsuit flight (in 1999) was a seven way with three docks led by Jari H.M. Kuosma at Carolina Skysports. I took to it very easilly. Some don't. It's these nice large events that we put on these days that get's those "not so naturally talented" birds on the right track.
On that note, I took a Z-hills jumper here up on his first and second flights yesterday (in a Phantom) and he positively smoked it. All I could do was look up and go "nice job!" His second jump involved two docks, him doing over and unders, and even a backfly attempt! I really love it when people like that simply materialize and are instantly qualified for bigger and better things.
Now for the caveat: like the TopGun guys are doing overseas, I am totally down with doing smaller, very-exclusive, technical flocking weekends. We end up breaking down into such groups anyway at our Flock and Dock events. This upcoming March Flock and Dock 3.0 will be no exception. Big-way stuff with everyone involved, and smaller groups doing very tight and clever formations. I can't wait.
Chuck
Another thing is the guy missing might have been involved in some serious wingsuit kong-fu-fighting during exit, often a reason for being late, which is another common thing that organizers should have focus on. We have to stand really tight in the plane and exit quickly.. I would like to have some more space or a better and more rehearsed by everybody exit-plan-system that works. It can keep the sudden and expensive dentist bill's away
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