skydiveguy 0 #1 June 7, 2004 I am looking into taking my first flight on a Bird-Man this coming weekend and have become a little confused about the deployment method. From the Bird-Man website their manual states: QuoteYour legs should remain straight and closed the entire time to decrease the burble But when I have talked to a BMI about deployment he mentioned that they have revised the method to more of a "sitting" deployment. What are experienced flyers thoughts on either process? I will be flying a Javelin Odyssey (unmodified for wing suit flight) with a Nitron 135 with an approximate loading of 1.4 (I have about 600 jumps, 300 of which are on the Nitron 135) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #2 June 7, 2004 just my advice, I would consider another canopy (more square, and less loaded) and also at least a bigger PC and longer bridle... but small loaded canopies with "standard" PC and bridle also work...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #3 June 7, 2004 But when I have talked to a BMI about deployment he mentioned that they have revised the method to more of a "sitting" deployment. Quote What some jumpers do to kill forward speed and increase their downward trajectory is bring the legs up like in a squat. This is more of a fluid movement and not a position. In some cases this helps decrease the "trap door effect" of having your feet whipped out in front of you like a tandem ride. As the deployments starts to pull you upright it looks very much like you are sitting. IMPORTANT: at no time should you legs and feet be brought up and BEHIND your body like in a hard arch. You want to avoid the D-bag from striking your heels and spinning up as it comes off your back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #4 June 7, 2004 I had a post but deleted it, because Glen and I wrote almost the same thing at the same time. Instead, I'll just second what he has to say."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiveguy 0 #5 June 7, 2004 Quotejust my advice, I would consider another canopy (more square, and less loaded) and also at least a bigger PC and longer bridle... but small loaded canopies with "standard" PC and bridle also work... This is something I have thought deeply about... the Nitron has always handled very well in line twists as far as flying straight and flat (although there is always a first time for everything), but I also look at it from this perspective: 1) new form of skydiving 2) borrowed gear 3) different handle if I use another rig (I use a javelin freefly pud handle on a throw out BOC) 4) not only will I have a suit to get used to.... I will also have to remember I am flying a different canopy. Anyone that understands how accidents tend to happen will tell you that they happen due to a bunch of small things going wrong to add up to one big problem. I would rather use the gear I trust and know like the back of my hand. (Rememebr that most fatalities in this sport happen when using unfamillair or borrowed gear) But I can agree with you on this which is making me feel torn between what to jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites greybeard 0 #6 June 7, 2004 Ditto Vectoboy and Manbird. This does amount to a sit, but only in the understanding of the projectory. The relative sit on deployment the rw flyers understand is only a slight dementional degree to the true deployment sequence of wingsuit flight, dependent on a number of factors. To the newby, probably a OK senerio. Vectorboy, you are the luckiest soul to have found your ripcord after the time and space elapsed. Cool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #7 June 8, 2004 Jump the canopy you are used to jumping all the time and have sucessfull on heading and no line twist openings on. I personal jump a Nitron 98 and a Velocity 96 loaded about 2.0 out the door and have never had line twists and mostly on heading openings. Jump the canopy you know BEST! Reduce your forard speed by "relaxing" your legs for a few seconds before you pull. This will reduce your forward speed and you should be able to "watch" your pilot chute leave your hand at a slight angle as you deploy, rather than seeing it go straight up. I do not use an extended bridal but I do make sure I have a strong throw out every time I deploy as to not get it back in my burble. Try and get some BMI Instruction in person and do not reley on this forum for your first jump instruction on a wingsuit. Hope this helps some. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #8 June 8, 2004 Ditto what Ed says. I get puckered when some low timish jumper comes up and wants a wingsuit DEMO and they happen to regularly jump a high performance canopy but swear they get great deployments on it. I get worried enough to ask if they have access to a more docile rig and main. MORE times than not these individuals get nice deployments when they take their combo to wingsuit flight. I get bummed when I give a person with many thousands of jumps who have many thousands of jumps on a very conservative main a wingsuit a ground class and blessing and have them report back that they had the worst line twists ever. My new posture will be to stress a relaxed symmetrical deployment with an intimate knowledge of their current main and container before they take their current rig into wingsuit flight. Its their judgment that will keep them safe after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites obi 0 #9 June 8, 2004 Just because you said that you can watch your pc leave in an angle: I strongly advice especially newbies not to watch their pc. A friend of mine new to ws-flying managed to do what I thought is impossible (because you just don't do what he did)... After throwing the pc he felt a hesitation. So he looked for his pc... Because he was still moving forward, by doing so he managed to do a roll and flip into the opening. Got both hands trapped in the risers, wings still attached and therefore a lot of pull forces on the hands. Couldn't get them out while he was spinning down like a mf Finally got his hands out, chopped and had a somewhat shortish reserve-ride... Now, I personally jump a very hp-canopy even with my suit, but I surely never watch the pc, not even the opening. Why should you? Throw hard, concentrate on a good position and watch the horizon once the opening starts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #10 June 8, 2004 I do the "sitting" thing. Copied it off the dude's deployment on Crosswind. There are no BMI's in Africa, so it's kind of making it up as we go along. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #11 June 8, 2004 QuoteJust because you said that you can watch your pc leave in an angle: I strongly advice especially newbies not to watch their pc. A friend of mine new to ws-flying managed to do what I thought is impossible (because you just don't do what he did)... After throwing the pc he felt a hesitation. So he looked for his pc... Because he was still moving forward, by doing so he managed to do a roll and flip into the opening. Got both hands trapped in the risers, wings still attached and therefore a lot of pull forces on the hands. Couldn't get them out while he was spinning down like a mf Finally got his hands out, chopped and had a somewhat shortish reserve-ride... Now, I personally jump a very hp-canopy even with my suit, but I surely never watch the pc, not even the opening. Why should you? Throw hard, concentrate on a good position and watch the horizon once the opening starts. Sorry, but I strongly have to disagreee here. It's VERY simple to turn your head to the side and watch the pilot chute as it leaves your hand without flipping onto your side. Throwing blindly and waiting for the feel of the canopy to stand you up and open will surely lead to thinking you have a pilot chute in tow. The time you "think you had a good hard throw", and didn't watch it leave your hand, is probably when it's dancing around in your burble, just like your friend experienced. This is when they "freak out" and over do the "head turn", then roll onto their side trying to see the pilot chute or clear it from their burble. I teach all my AFF studednts the same thing when they are throwing out the PC too. A simple turn of the head, then watch the PC leave your hand and go out of your periferal vision is all it takes. NOT rolling onto your back to making sure its pulling out your main canopy because you didnt make the effort the first time to "SEE" it was a good throw. Do what you feel is good for you, but I will always teach that seeing the pilot chute leave your hand the first time is better than having to look for it a second time a thousand feet lower. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #12 June 8, 2004 Sorry, but I strongly have to disagreee here. It's VERY simple to turn your head to the side and watch the pilot chute as it leaves your hand without flipping onto your side.Quote It is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Dipping the shoulder during deployment increases your chance of some line twists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #13 June 8, 2004 QuoteIt is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Then IMO they are NOT ready to jump the wingsuit! -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiveguy 0 #14 June 8, 2004 Quotedo not reley on this forum for your first jump instruction on a wingsuit. I completely agree here, I have been working with a couple local experienced wing suit jumpers and getting feedback where ever possible. I have also been in contact with Vladi about my first flight (on recommendation from a BM-I at Sunpath... Thanks Lyle!) There will definately be a lot of dirt diving and planning before I take the first flight. Thanks for all the feedback people! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #15 June 8, 2004 QuoteI completely agree here, I have been working with a couple local experienced wing suit jumpers and getting feedback where ever possible. I have also been in contact with Vladi about my first flight (on recommendation from a BM-I at Sunpath... Thanks Lyle!) There will definately be a lot of dirt diving and planning before I take the first flight. Thanks for all the feedback people! Great! Good luck and tell Vladi I said Hi for me would you. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #16 June 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Then IMO they are NOT ready to jump the wingsuit! -I kind of have to go with Ed on this one. You look at your wristmount altimeter without turning. If you have issues with your body turning when you glance to the left or right, then you really aren't ready for something that's so demanding of a symmetrical body position. Besides, reading Ed's post, it doesn't sound like he's looking for a drastic movement -- just catch the PC in your peripheral vision. It's one of a few reasons why I have a hot pink PC. All that aside, the basic idea is to have a clean deployment. Stay symmetrical and make sure your PC clears your burble. There are different ways to accomplish this and different ways to check that everything went right. Once you're experienced with a wingsuit, you may find that you prefer a different method that works just as well. Until then, listen to your instructor! S/he has the experience to know what works."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robibird 2 #17 June 8, 2004 .....so wrong !!!! (IMHO) It is always good to know what is going behind. The best way to know that is to see ( by your eyes, of course)!! ...to ketch the moment were the PC leaving off from your behind, you just need to bend your neck for fragment of a second. This is not hard and this can't really disturb the flight at all. My sugestion is : Try to see as much as you can. Eyes are one of the most accurate sensors we have Regards robiRobert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #18 June 8, 2004 I'm not saying you shouldn't look, I'm just saying you shouldn't turn so your head so hard that your body follows. (Edited for typo)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #19 June 8, 2004 Quote.....so wrong !!!! (IMHO) It is always good to know what is going behind. The best way to know that is to see ( by your eyes, of course)!! ...to ketch the moment were the PC leaving off from your behind, you just need to bend your neck for fragment of a second. This is not hard and this can't really disturb the flight at all. My sugestion is : Try to see as much as you can. Eyes are one of the most accurate sensors we have Regards robi Hi Robert I am hoping you replied to the wrong person. I have stated I BELIEVE in seeing the pilot chute leave your hand and get into CLEAN air. I do agree the eyes work best! -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robibird 2 #20 June 8, 2004 It is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. It is always good to look, in skydiving and in BASE jumping and in life inm general, especialy behind your beck RRRRRRRoBiRobert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 0 #21 June 8, 2004 QuoteIt is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. I think you're replying to the wrong post again, you mean Ed. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #22 June 8, 2004 LMAO.... I think your right. But, as Robi and myself both agree. LOOK at your pilot chute and make sure it's a strong throw out, not just throw blindly and hope it was one.... Be safe. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robibird 2 #23 June 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. I think you're replying to the wrong post again, you mean Ed. Yes !! 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ManBird 0 #4 June 7, 2004 I had a post but deleted it, because Glen and I wrote almost the same thing at the same time. Instead, I'll just second what he has to say."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveguy 0 #5 June 7, 2004 Quotejust my advice, I would consider another canopy (more square, and less loaded) and also at least a bigger PC and longer bridle... but small loaded canopies with "standard" PC and bridle also work... This is something I have thought deeply about... the Nitron has always handled very well in line twists as far as flying straight and flat (although there is always a first time for everything), but I also look at it from this perspective: 1) new form of skydiving 2) borrowed gear 3) different handle if I use another rig (I use a javelin freefly pud handle on a throw out BOC) 4) not only will I have a suit to get used to.... I will also have to remember I am flying a different canopy. Anyone that understands how accidents tend to happen will tell you that they happen due to a bunch of small things going wrong to add up to one big problem. I would rather use the gear I trust and know like the back of my hand. (Rememebr that most fatalities in this sport happen when using unfamillair or borrowed gear) But I can agree with you on this which is making me feel torn between what to jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #6 June 7, 2004 Ditto Vectoboy and Manbird. This does amount to a sit, but only in the understanding of the projectory. The relative sit on deployment the rw flyers understand is only a slight dementional degree to the true deployment sequence of wingsuit flight, dependent on a number of factors. To the newby, probably a OK senerio. Vectorboy, you are the luckiest soul to have found your ripcord after the time and space elapsed. Cool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #7 June 8, 2004 Jump the canopy you are used to jumping all the time and have sucessfull on heading and no line twist openings on. I personal jump a Nitron 98 and a Velocity 96 loaded about 2.0 out the door and have never had line twists and mostly on heading openings. Jump the canopy you know BEST! Reduce your forard speed by "relaxing" your legs for a few seconds before you pull. This will reduce your forward speed and you should be able to "watch" your pilot chute leave your hand at a slight angle as you deploy, rather than seeing it go straight up. I do not use an extended bridal but I do make sure I have a strong throw out every time I deploy as to not get it back in my burble. Try and get some BMI Instruction in person and do not reley on this forum for your first jump instruction on a wingsuit. Hope this helps some. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #8 June 8, 2004 Ditto what Ed says. I get puckered when some low timish jumper comes up and wants a wingsuit DEMO and they happen to regularly jump a high performance canopy but swear they get great deployments on it. I get worried enough to ask if they have access to a more docile rig and main. MORE times than not these individuals get nice deployments when they take their combo to wingsuit flight. I get bummed when I give a person with many thousands of jumps who have many thousands of jumps on a very conservative main a wingsuit a ground class and blessing and have them report back that they had the worst line twists ever. My new posture will be to stress a relaxed symmetrical deployment with an intimate knowledge of their current main and container before they take their current rig into wingsuit flight. Its their judgment that will keep them safe after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obi 0 #9 June 8, 2004 Just because you said that you can watch your pc leave in an angle: I strongly advice especially newbies not to watch their pc. A friend of mine new to ws-flying managed to do what I thought is impossible (because you just don't do what he did)... After throwing the pc he felt a hesitation. So he looked for his pc... Because he was still moving forward, by doing so he managed to do a roll and flip into the opening. Got both hands trapped in the risers, wings still attached and therefore a lot of pull forces on the hands. Couldn't get them out while he was spinning down like a mf Finally got his hands out, chopped and had a somewhat shortish reserve-ride... Now, I personally jump a very hp-canopy even with my suit, but I surely never watch the pc, not even the opening. Why should you? Throw hard, concentrate on a good position and watch the horizon once the opening starts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #10 June 8, 2004 I do the "sitting" thing. Copied it off the dude's deployment on Crosswind. There are no BMI's in Africa, so it's kind of making it up as we go along. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #11 June 8, 2004 QuoteJust because you said that you can watch your pc leave in an angle: I strongly advice especially newbies not to watch their pc. A friend of mine new to ws-flying managed to do what I thought is impossible (because you just don't do what he did)... After throwing the pc he felt a hesitation. So he looked for his pc... Because he was still moving forward, by doing so he managed to do a roll and flip into the opening. Got both hands trapped in the risers, wings still attached and therefore a lot of pull forces on the hands. Couldn't get them out while he was spinning down like a mf Finally got his hands out, chopped and had a somewhat shortish reserve-ride... Now, I personally jump a very hp-canopy even with my suit, but I surely never watch the pc, not even the opening. Why should you? Throw hard, concentrate on a good position and watch the horizon once the opening starts. Sorry, but I strongly have to disagreee here. It's VERY simple to turn your head to the side and watch the pilot chute as it leaves your hand without flipping onto your side. Throwing blindly and waiting for the feel of the canopy to stand you up and open will surely lead to thinking you have a pilot chute in tow. The time you "think you had a good hard throw", and didn't watch it leave your hand, is probably when it's dancing around in your burble, just like your friend experienced. This is when they "freak out" and over do the "head turn", then roll onto their side trying to see the pilot chute or clear it from their burble. I teach all my AFF studednts the same thing when they are throwing out the PC too. A simple turn of the head, then watch the PC leave your hand and go out of your periferal vision is all it takes. NOT rolling onto your back to making sure its pulling out your main canopy because you didnt make the effort the first time to "SEE" it was a good throw. Do what you feel is good for you, but I will always teach that seeing the pilot chute leave your hand the first time is better than having to look for it a second time a thousand feet lower. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #12 June 8, 2004 Sorry, but I strongly have to disagreee here. It's VERY simple to turn your head to the side and watch the pilot chute as it leaves your hand without flipping onto your side.Quote It is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Dipping the shoulder during deployment increases your chance of some line twists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #13 June 8, 2004 QuoteIt is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Then IMO they are NOT ready to jump the wingsuit! -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiveguy 0 #14 June 8, 2004 Quotedo not reley on this forum for your first jump instruction on a wingsuit. I completely agree here, I have been working with a couple local experienced wing suit jumpers and getting feedback where ever possible. I have also been in contact with Vladi about my first flight (on recommendation from a BM-I at Sunpath... Thanks Lyle!) There will definately be a lot of dirt diving and planning before I take the first flight. Thanks for all the feedback people! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #15 June 8, 2004 QuoteI completely agree here, I have been working with a couple local experienced wing suit jumpers and getting feedback where ever possible. I have also been in contact with Vladi about my first flight (on recommendation from a BM-I at Sunpath... Thanks Lyle!) There will definately be a lot of dirt diving and planning before I take the first flight. Thanks for all the feedback people! Great! Good luck and tell Vladi I said Hi for me would you. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #16 June 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Then IMO they are NOT ready to jump the wingsuit! -I kind of have to go with Ed on this one. You look at your wristmount altimeter without turning. If you have issues with your body turning when you glance to the left or right, then you really aren't ready for something that's so demanding of a symmetrical body position. Besides, reading Ed's post, it doesn't sound like he's looking for a drastic movement -- just catch the PC in your peripheral vision. It's one of a few reasons why I have a hot pink PC. All that aside, the basic idea is to have a clean deployment. Stay symmetrical and make sure your PC clears your burble. There are different ways to accomplish this and different ways to check that everything went right. Once you're experienced with a wingsuit, you may find that you prefer a different method that works just as well. Until then, listen to your instructor! S/he has the experience to know what works."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robibird 2 #17 June 8, 2004 .....so wrong !!!! (IMHO) It is always good to know what is going behind. The best way to know that is to see ( by your eyes, of course)!! ...to ketch the moment were the PC leaving off from your behind, you just need to bend your neck for fragment of a second. This is not hard and this can't really disturb the flight at all. My sugestion is : Try to see as much as you can. Eyes are one of the most accurate sensors we have Regards robiRobert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #18 June 8, 2004 I'm not saying you shouldn't look, I'm just saying you shouldn't turn so your head so hard that your body follows. (Edited for typo)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #19 June 8, 2004 Quote.....so wrong !!!! (IMHO) It is always good to know what is going behind. The best way to know that is to see ( by your eyes, of course)!! ...to ketch the moment were the PC leaving off from your behind, you just need to bend your neck for fragment of a second. This is not hard and this can't really disturb the flight at all. My sugestion is : Try to see as much as you can. Eyes are one of the most accurate sensors we have Regards robi Hi Robert I am hoping you replied to the wrong person. I have stated I BELIEVE in seeing the pilot chute leave your hand and get into CLEAN air. I do agree the eyes work best! -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robibird 2 #20 June 8, 2004 It is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. It is always good to look, in skydiving and in BASE jumping and in life inm general, especialy behind your beck RRRRRRRoBiRobert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 0 #21 June 8, 2004 QuoteIt is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. I think you're replying to the wrong post again, you mean Ed. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #22 June 8, 2004 LMAO.... I think your right. But, as Robi and myself both agree. LOOK at your pilot chute and make sure it's a strong throw out, not just throw blindly and hope it was one.... Be safe. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robibird 2 #23 June 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. I think you're replying to the wrong post again, you mean Ed. Yes !! Ha, ha... this is because it is very late here. Huh...Robert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiveguy 0 #24 June 14, 2004 Welp.... I did it! I made 4 jumps on the GTi and loved them all! I did it on the gear I know and fly on a regular basis with no big issues. All I have to say is that I am now in the market for my own suit. Thanks to all that posted their input here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 3 #25 June 14, 2004 Nylon crack! 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bodypilot1 0 #13 June 8, 2004 QuoteIt is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Then IMO they are NOT ready to jump the wingsuit! -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveguy 0 #14 June 8, 2004 Quotedo not reley on this forum for your first jump instruction on a wingsuit. I completely agree here, I have been working with a couple local experienced wing suit jumpers and getting feedback where ever possible. I have also been in contact with Vladi about my first flight (on recommendation from a BM-I at Sunpath... Thanks Lyle!) There will definately be a lot of dirt diving and planning before I take the first flight. Thanks for all the feedback people! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #15 June 8, 2004 QuoteI completely agree here, I have been working with a couple local experienced wing suit jumpers and getting feedback where ever possible. I have also been in contact with Vladi about my first flight (on recommendation from a BM-I at Sunpath... Thanks Lyle!) There will definately be a lot of dirt diving and planning before I take the first flight. Thanks for all the feedback people! Great! Good luck and tell Vladi I said Hi for me would you. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #16 June 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is simple to do but not everyone can do it without dipping a shoulder. Then IMO they are NOT ready to jump the wingsuit! -I kind of have to go with Ed on this one. You look at your wristmount altimeter without turning. If you have issues with your body turning when you glance to the left or right, then you really aren't ready for something that's so demanding of a symmetrical body position. Besides, reading Ed's post, it doesn't sound like he's looking for a drastic movement -- just catch the PC in your peripheral vision. It's one of a few reasons why I have a hot pink PC. All that aside, the basic idea is to have a clean deployment. Stay symmetrical and make sure your PC clears your burble. There are different ways to accomplish this and different ways to check that everything went right. Once you're experienced with a wingsuit, you may find that you prefer a different method that works just as well. Until then, listen to your instructor! S/he has the experience to know what works."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 2 #17 June 8, 2004 .....so wrong !!!! (IMHO) It is always good to know what is going behind. The best way to know that is to see ( by your eyes, of course)!! ...to ketch the moment were the PC leaving off from your behind, you just need to bend your neck for fragment of a second. This is not hard and this can't really disturb the flight at all. My sugestion is : Try to see as much as you can. Eyes are one of the most accurate sensors we have Regards robiRobert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #18 June 8, 2004 I'm not saying you shouldn't look, I'm just saying you shouldn't turn so your head so hard that your body follows. (Edited for typo)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #19 June 8, 2004 Quote.....so wrong !!!! (IMHO) It is always good to know what is going behind. The best way to know that is to see ( by your eyes, of course)!! ...to ketch the moment were the PC leaving off from your behind, you just need to bend your neck for fragment of a second. This is not hard and this can't really disturb the flight at all. My sugestion is : Try to see as much as you can. Eyes are one of the most accurate sensors we have Regards robi Hi Robert I am hoping you replied to the wrong person. I have stated I BELIEVE in seeing the pilot chute leave your hand and get into CLEAN air. I do agree the eyes work best! -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 2 #20 June 8, 2004 It is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. It is always good to look, in skydiving and in BASE jumping and in life inm general, especialy behind your beck RRRRRRRoBiRobert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #21 June 8, 2004 QuoteIt is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. I think you're replying to the wrong post again, you mean Ed. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #22 June 8, 2004 LMAO.... I think your right. But, as Robi and myself both agree. LOOK at your pilot chute and make sure it's a strong throw out, not just throw blindly and hope it was one.... Be safe. -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 2 #23 June 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt is the answere to Obi's post, sorry.. I agree w what you saying Mr.ManBird. I think you're replying to the wrong post again, you mean Ed. Yes !! Ha, ha... this is because it is very late here. Huh...Robert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveguy 0 #24 June 14, 2004 Welp.... I did it! I made 4 jumps on the GTi and loved them all! I did it on the gear I know and fly on a regular basis with no big issues. All I have to say is that I am now in the market for my own suit. Thanks to all that posted their input here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #25 June 14, 2004 Nylon crack! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
